When do you guys think 10,000 RPM drives will hit IDE interface?

[ArchAngel777]

Any Ideas? I would imagin within a few months we should start seeing some.

post your thoughts

 

[Sushi]

I heard a rumor that IBM will be the first to release them and it is supposed to be sometime in the first half of 2001. Like I said... just a rumor.

 

[ChrisOh]

Seagate and Maxtor have already started manufacturing them, look for them in a few weeks/months.

 

[Neoplasia]

How much of a performance boost will that give? Hope it's not like ATA100.

 

[Thanatopsis]

I think they will on April 23, 2001.

 

[Biggs]

It would have a quite a significant boost. It's just like upgrading from a 5400RPM to a 7200RPM drive. I dunno how they can suppress noise levels though. Heat may also be an issue. Looks like the only things SCSI drives have left of an advantage is better multi-tasking and hot-swapping.

 

[Hard_Boiled]

It should give a huge performance boost. The 2 main factors that determice hard drive speed(transfer rates) are RPM's and platter density, or so I've heard. A 10K ide drive should kick some serious booty, just like the 10K SCSI drives.

Neoplasia, ATA-100 doesn't actually speed anything up, it just raises the maximum bandwidth of the IDE bus to 100 MB/s. No IDE hard drive can even max out ATA-66, but with IDE raid and 10K drives, ATA-100 might finally begin to be useful.

 

[larrymoencurly]

Instead of making the drives spin faster, why don't they just put in two sets of heads, each 180 degrees apart from the other?

 

[Sunny129]

larrymoencurly, that actually sounds like a great idea unfortunately something tells me that they already would have come out with something like that if it didnt cause problems

 

[kyoshozx]

"Looks like the only things SCSI drives have left of an advantage is better multi-tasking and hot-swapping."

Actually Biggs, scsi already have 15k rpm drives, and by the time that 10k ide drives become available i'm sure more manufacturers will be releasing 15k scsi drives.

 

[Pariah]

I doubt you'll see any 10k rpm IDE drives for awhile. And when they do come out, don't expect IDE like prices, there will be a decent price premium on them.

 

[Gogga]

I dont expect to see any 10k rpm IDE drives soon. So far it is SCSI only territory and I dont see harddisk manufacturers putting their SCSI sales at risk just for the sake of better IDE performance.

Larrymoencurly: Conner designed a drive in the early 90's I think which had 2 heads. The design was never popular though, because it made designing the drives much more difficult. Also the firmware must be written to sync the heads which is very complex. And also, it meant that the disk included more moving parts, therefore, a higher failure rate.

 

[Pariah]

I don't know if we are talking about the same thing gogga, but Seagate was the manufacturer that did that. They didn't have two read head actuators on the drive, what they did was design a drive that read from 2 heads at once. The design was overly complicated and didn't yield the performance they had hoped so no more were designed.

 

[faolan]

<< Looks like the only things SCSI drives have left of an advantage is better multi-tasking and hot-swapping. >>



Well, not exactly...

SCSI drives are at 15k right now. Their interface is faster (Ultra 3 is 160MB/s), more devices can still be chained on one SCSI bus then an IDE bus. SCSI drives can predict failures much better then IDE drives. (In general, the ones I work with will allow 3 days to get data off of it before it dies), and SCSI drives are still better built then IDE (but at a price).

Also IDE does have hot-swapping capabilities. I have seen some IDE RAID storage units.

SCSI and IDE both have their place. In general, a desktop user dosen't need SCSI. And servers do. The nice thing is that SCSI technology does make it's way into IDE once the price falls. S.M.A.R.T. technology is an example of this. It's what allows a system to detect possible pre-failures, something server OEMs demanded of hard drive makers. Over time, it got cheaper to implement into a drive, and so most IDE drives ahve it now.

 

[DarkManX]

SMART has been in IDE drives for the past few years.

 

[Remedy]

I went to a Technology computer show and heard guys talking about 8400rpm IDE drives which seems more realistic than 10,000rpm. If SCSI drives get hot enough @ 7200 and 10,000 then i can't really see 10,000rpm drives performing in IDE format. Although I could be wrong and i wouldn't mind seeing them maybe in 9,200 would be cool in RAID 0. I would think that the cost of drive like that would cost similar to SCSI anyways making it almost a waist to basic consumers who couldn't afford regular 7200rpm drives today.

 

[Spook]

I must admit, this is an interesting rumor, but I hope these new drives aren't CPRM drives... This new Tech really sucks(its that new encryption for harddrives, being pushed by IBM, Intel, and Toshiba)...

I could see 10000RPM drives soon. It seems like the SCSI market will move into the 15K RPM drives...

It would be nice, and I could see IBM trying to push CPRM out the door, tempting people with 10000RPM drives...

 

[zippy]

This is the answer to your questions ArchAngel777- soon

 

[Radboy]

I read another thread not long ago that said 10Krpm IDE drives were 2-3 yrs away.

 

[LXi]

Im thinking 10k rpm drives will probably debut when its time for Serial ATA.

 

[pm]

While interesting, the link that Zippy posted is to a discussion along the lines of &quot;my uncle is an engineer at Quantum and he says that they will be released soon&quot; - which is a second-hand rumor. I tend to believe that he has a real 10krpm IDE drive, but I don't believe him when he says that the only thing holding up the release is the marketing dept. coming up with a name. No offense intended, Zippy, and I thank you for the link, but I choose not to believe it all at face value.


My prognostications (based on educated guesses - not my uncle's cousin's girlfriend's brother who works at Seagate ; ) ):

I'm fairly certain that they will arrive in 2001 - most likely by late 2H. But I feel confident that they will be available in 2002. There's virtually no chance that they'll be out in Q1 since there have been no press releases, no warnings, no articles in EETimes, nothing. The IBM GXP60 and the Quantum Fireball AS were both announced back several months ago and you still can't seem to find these anywhere. If 10krpm drives were right around the corner, we'd know it..

I don't think noise or heat will be a significant issue - look at the SCSI line and you'll see that they have these issues mostly solved.

I don't think that they will be priced ridiculously above 7.2krpm drives - this is the IDE market and it's brutal in terms of competition. They will be more expensive than 7200 rpm drives, but I don't think that they will be priced ridiculously high.

They will probably have lower densities than current 7200rpm drives - I hear head vibration is an issue limiting high densities.

We will see if I'm right. One thing to note is that the manufacturer's all rely on the high margins of the high-end SCSI business to support low margins in the cutthroat IDE business. They are not going to eat into sales of 10krpm SCSI drives until they are confident that they can produce high-end 15rpm SCSI drives with low-noise, low-heat, high densities and in reasonable quantities. And that they have a bullet-proof 10krpm drive that can be mass-produced in huge quantities. The only manufacturer currently supplying 15krpm drives is Seagate.

 

[zippy]

pm, lol, I didn't even read the thread until you said something. I assumed that the guy who posted it worked at Quantum. D'oh!

Actually though, in the for sale forum there he had a thread that was raffling two 20GB 10kRPM drives (engineering samples) that were supposedly on the way. Well, I don't think the mod liked the idea of a raffle (it was only $1/entry too ) and killed the thread.

 

[richleader]

Something no one has mentioned, but some of the 15K rmp drives have a seek time that is one third of what the standard consumer drives have, due to the head/cylinder configuration (I'd sound like a doof if I tried to explain it, I'm sure someone could dig up a review of one that explains it easy enough). That's not a bad feature in and of itself.

I bet they'll have the same set up as they do now, one price for high speed/ low capacity and slow speed, high capacity, like they are doing with the 5400 and 7200s, which isn't a bad thing: Wouldn't mind having a 10 gb 15k drive for apps and a large 7200 (or even 5400) for storage.

 

[LXi]

pm:

<<The IBM GXP60 and the Quantum Fireball AS were both announced back several months ago and you still can't seem to find these anywhere.>>

The AS is available for quite sometime now, I got mine from buy.com.

 

[Pariah]

&quot;but some of the 15K rmp drives have a seek time that is one third of what the standard consumer drives have, due to the head/cylinder configuration &quot;

There is only one 15k drive, the cheetah X15. Access time is decreased by the increased RPM's and smaller platters, which I guess is what you are referring to. Smaller than standard platters means the head don't have as far to travel which obviously takes less time. With the monstrous capacity of today's IDE drives, you would think someone would sacrifice a little bit of capacity to get better access time.