When do we see desktop Thuban, and what price??

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VirtualLarry

VirtualLarry

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I saw a report that said May of this year. Too long to wait, I think. I'm excited to think about getting a six-core processor. Yes, I know that Intel is going to have them too, but if it's anything like the quad-core situation, AMD will be the price and price/performance leader.
 
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Accord99

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VirtualLarry said:
I saw a report that said May of this year.
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Another says late April:

http://en.ocworkbench.com/tech/amd-phenon-ii-x6-6-core-processor-thuban-to-launch-on-26-apr-2010/


Too long to wait, I think. I'm excited to think about getting a six-core processor. Yes, I know that Intel is going to have them too, but if it's anything like the quad-core situation, AMD will be the price and price/performance leader.
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Quad-cores i7s with HT already have multi-processing throughput comparable to similar clock 6-core K10s so I'd image AMD won't be able to price them higher than the i7 920 or 860.
 
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VirtualLarry said:
Yes, I know that Intel is going to have them too, but if it's anything like the quad-core situation, AMD will be the price and price/performance leader.
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I see no reason for it to not be the case. I can't be sure now, but last I read (two months ago or so, and also here in AT), the 6-core part from Intel will be an "extreme edition" (I think Aigo is the man to verify if this is true?) part, hence expensive.

As for AMD, seeing as to how their current flagship is a mere $200, I imagine Thuban will be priced maybe $100 more at most so that it fights the i7-920. Or at least, I'm hoping that would be the price range. We'll see when it gets here. My premature prediction is that some sort of "turbo" feature will be the deal-breaker here: if Thuban indeed sports such a feature, it will most likely be a good deal, but in the absence of such a feature, it might not be such a good deal for general purpose use.

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Does this GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P support thuban or not?
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If there is no information now at the gigabyte website (most likely), then we will have to wait for Thuban to be released and see if a BIOS update can make mobos support Thuban, and if Gigabyte releases one for that particular model.
 
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I'll guess $180-$240 depending upon the AMD implementation of 'turbo', stock clock speed, OC capability and where it fits in the overall 'multi-thread' performance charts.

If the rumahs on the internets are true about a segment of the 890 chipsets rolling in March, I'd guess that is when Thuban will first 'pop'.

Surprisingly, AMD has been delivering (for the most part) on-time the last few years --- if not a little early. The exception has been the 890 chipset (which rumuhs said would roll last Fall).

I think they were more likely waiting for the PCIe Gen3 standard to be finalized and were 'ew-scrayed' with the delay.





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Tell AMD my bday is early april for me :)
890 sounds exciting, especially if it gets pcie 3.0
 
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6 cores and yet still only 6MB L3?
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Unfortunately yes, but that's a shared cache, at least they kept the 512KB L2 per core. So for anything that still only uses 4 threads or less, it shouldn't perform worse than any Phenom II we have now.

For that reason, I am more concerned about having a "turbo"-like feature. Personally, I would regard that as a much-needed improvement over the current Phenom II. Well, that and the price being kept to reasonable levels, perhaps not going more than $100 above the current Phenom II flagship we have now.
 
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Decently priced they wont be bad chips, VM/Multitasking madness for the masses, fine upgrade for AM3 systems with Athlon IIs. Glofos 45nm quality and yields i suppose now are very very mature for AMD to take the risk releasing 6core desktop cpus. All depends on price, clocks, turbo functionality in practice and its hot/high clocks for single/dual threaded progs and some room for oc. Time will tell, and soon enough there will be early samples doing some boinc work etc.

Most important is if they implemented the new IOMMU in the 890 chipset. So far, no info has been released. Such a pity if they wont do it. One step closer to GPU Virtualization, the new ATI 5xxx line is already equipped for this.
 
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I don't see what is the big deal with turbo mode. Single-threaded apps that activate turbo mode are usually old apps that doesnt need much CPU crunching to start with, and new apps doesn't benefit from it as they utilize 2 or more cores, heck we already have games that uses four cores now.

Besides, OCers are simply going to disable turbo and push everything to the max anyway. :)
 
VirtualLarry

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If Thuban has turbo, will we see an updated version of the Phenom II X4 chips with Turbo as well? Or perhaps just gelded Thuban chips turned into X4s?
 
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If Thuban has turbo, will we see an updated version of the Phenom II X4 chips with Turbo as well? Or perhaps just gelded Thuban chips turned into X4s?
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There is one new X4 coming out, the 960T. My guess is that it is a Thuban with disabled cores but only time will tell.
 
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From that table, we have a new stepping, decent TDP, and higher HT (2.4 vs the prev 2.0 for today's Phenom II X4, if I remember right). With the 20% increase in HT, maybe the 2.8GHz X6 won't trail too far behind the current 3.4GHz X4 965 at their respective stock clocks. I don't know how reliable xbitlabs is, but they seem to have confirmed that Thuban will in fact have "Turbo" like feature, which may in fact make it a much better performer than the current Phenom II chips that we have. Here's to hoping.
 
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heyheybooboo said:
With that review Xbit demonstrates why they have no credibility.





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Hmmm, its been common practice for years to do a lot things to simulate the performance of a future cpu. This build is not bad at all. So I am not sure why they lose credibility. On the site itself, Xbit has been around quite sometime and have been pretty damn good at accurately reviewing hardware.
 
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The achilles heal will obviously be the low clock speeds. I have not read of any enhancements to the core itself, so the additional two cores should help in rendering and situations that can leverage the two additional physical cores.
 
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AMD Hexcore looks slower than AMD Quad core in a lot of the games listed clock per clock--->http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-istanbul_5.html#sect0

The big surprise, of course, is Resident Evil 5.

Too bad the increased TDP pretty much negates all the core scaling gains when comparing AMD Hexcore to AMD Phenom II x4 956. (Notice the last graph listed later on in the article-->http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-istanbul_11.html#sect0)
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I think it will do nicely once the ECC penalty is gone.
 
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