We should adopt the Mexican immigration laws and be done with it. They are much tougher than the US ones.
Mainly labor jobs. Landscaping, construction, any job that most americans are not willing to do for the pay. My condo finish date was set back a couple of days because of the strike.
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Outlaw Klingons objected to the term "illegal aliens".
They didn't like being lumped together with relatively peaceful peasant farmer families, including women and children, many of whom had not viciously killed even one other human being in their entire lives.
Can you blame them?
More to the point, would you dare needlessly piss them off?
I was actually called out in class by the teacher for using the term "illegal immigrant" and was told firmly its "undocumented immigrant". She continued to say that using the word "illegal immigrant" was on the same lines as using the 'n-word'. She also went on to say that "illegal immigrant" is a better word because it isnt as "stigmatized". I then went ahead and asked, "What is the definition of a person from another country who comes to the U.S.A, what are they classified as?" She said immigrants. I then went to say "and what is the term people use when you do something against the law?" She wouldnt aswer, so i said "illegal" I went ahead and said I dont care if they are Mexican, Nicaraguan, Ukranian, African, or Canadian. If they come to the U.S.A illegaly, i.e without a student visa, green card, visa, or some other way they are illegal. Anyways I ended at that. I didnt feel like arguing with a brick wall.
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You ain't entirely incorrect, to be sure. The frog's answer lacks a certain . . . nuance.
The pool of available Americans both geographically situated, physically able and willing to work non-union construction and landscaping jobs has been somewhat tapped out. The few left are the dregs of the pool, lazy, stupid, unreliable, or all three.
So . . . along come these Mexicans, grateful for the wages, posessing a solid, unspoiled rural work ethic, and the cream rather than the dregs of their particular socio-economic class.
Private contractors love 'em. This creates the demand for 'em. Most everyone else looks the other way. So they come, and come, and come.
Btw, what do I mean by "cream rather than the dregs of their particular socio-economic class"? So glad you asked. These particular companseros are the self-selected go-getters, who, all laws and borders aside, got up off their asses and braved all the obstacles to go where the work was so as to provide a better life for their families.
No wonder the private contractors love 'em, eh?
I see the US invading a lot of other countries, but with weaponry and bombs that fall from the sky; Iraq was an illegal invasion, however much you want to justify it, according to International Law. You gotta realize that the US has well over 50% of the world's wealth. For the US to be so well off as it is, other countries have to be poor.
I'm a legal immigrant, and I came here as a refugee of war from Bosnia. I've seen first-hand what our(yes our, I'm a naturalized citizen) containment policies do, take cuba for example. To this day we're containing them, even though they pose no threat to us whatsoever. Even congressmen such as McCain acknowleged this; yet China is our trade partner numero uno? NAFTA had a profound effect on small farmers in Mexico, particularly those in the south where the Zapatistas roam. Of course they'll try to get in, they want a good life too.
It's ironic that it's alright for us to invade other countries because our way of life is threatened, but when other people's lifes are affected by US policies...they're just trash.
I'm a legal immigrant, and I came here as a refugee of war from Bosnia. I've seen first-hand what our(yes our, I'm a naturalized citizen) containment policies do, take cuba for example. To this day we're containing them, even though they pose no threat to us whatsoever. Even congressmen such as McCain acknowleged this; yet China is our trade partner numero uno? NAFTA had a profound effect on small farmers in Mexico, particularly those in the south where the Zapatistas roam. Of course they'll try to get in, they want a good life too.
It's ironic that it's alright for us to invade other countries because our way of life is threatened, but when other people's lifes are affected by US policies...they're just trash.
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I humbly beg to disagree. With the facts, ftw.
In both non-union construction and landscaping jobs around here, the private contractors pay the same damn ~ $10/hr to the illegals hispanics as they offer everyone and anyone else.
But, like I said in my previous post, the " pool of available Americans both geographically situated, physically able and willing" to work these jobs is down to the dregs -- the "lazy, stupid, unreliable, or all three."
Wtf do I mean by "geographically situated", you ask. I mean that there are whole groups of unemployed or underemployed in the big cities, at least a solid minority of whom who would jump on these jobs in a nanosecond, but lack the transpo to get out to the UPPER MIDDLE CLASS SUBURBS where all those landscaping and construciton jobs are.
The other categories should be self-explainable.
Where I live, I happen to know no less than five construction contractors very, very well. Times are still good, to this point, but finding reliable help at the wage they can afford to pay is one big PITA.
In short, "duh Mehicanos" aren't really taking these jobs form ANY legal Americans. That part just ain't so!
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believe me, schools in California are facing this one, big time...
Governer Arnold S. is really focusing on how the state can better achieve a more warm wecome towards these obstacles, rather than discriminate and show weakness in politics.
the term, doesn't really matter, they both mean the same thing. you use one or the other with respect to how you want to present yourself with certainty for a resolution in your points of view, should the topic ever be discussed with 'you' involved. otherwise, do not use the terms regularly, because it shows disrespect for you and other people around you, yeah it makes you look stupid, why else?
there are enough hate groups out there, so keep your nose out of it or do something about it. but if you just trash talk and smirk on people's problems all the time, you lose sight of your own problems - and you become more hypocritical.
the terms, both involve some kind of discrimination if used incorrectly, that's why. the you structure you sentences with the terms really makes a huge difference, not to mention your tone of voice. if you appear to be angry, even with a low tone, that can be a sign of racism. the United States has defined racism as a weakness of our fathers, a flaw that we must overcome, yet at the same time, face the fact that is still exists even in society. President Bush, right now, in his first inaugural address mentioned that it is not acceptable. it's not, but who's going to listen if he's too busy building a nation in the Middle East? but a president for mostly war can be very hard, at the same time deal with immigrants who have no registration with the country?
the thing is, do you want to appoint more cabinet members to deal with the issue, nationally? or form a team in each state to deal with it as a state-wide issue according to their regions? whatever the case, most people are too busy working to realize what's really going on in their own country, yet alone in the world the very streets of their own community. a lot of parents are living from paycheck to paycheck, which is quite sad actually, 'cuz when everything drops hard, there goes the house and the car, and nothing left for the kids.
immigrants, registered with the nation or not, there will always be aliens in the nation. it's policy, I must say, very certain of. they are doing the jobs many people do not want, yet alone, are in need of a job to support themselves. fluxuating economy, many thought that after the war in Iraq, the United States would face something close to a depression. but things are on it's up and downs, you can only hope that leaders help enforce something reasonable - because the majority are just too busy with their own lives to worry about national issues, that have been, are present, and the ones yet to come. a liberal society will always exist, but the leadership chain needs stronger enthusiasm in the way the country is run. and maybe the terms mentioned won't be such bad terms in the "American" dictionary.
Governer Arnold S. is really focusing on how the state can better achieve a more warm wecome towards these obstacles, rather than discriminate and show weakness in politics.
the term, doesn't really matter, they both mean the same thing. you use one or the other with respect to how you want to present yourself with certainty for a resolution in your points of view, should the topic ever be discussed with 'you' involved. otherwise, do not use the terms regularly, because it shows disrespect for you and other people around you, yeah it makes you look stupid, why else?
there are enough hate groups out there, so keep your nose out of it or do something about it. but if you just trash talk and smirk on people's problems all the time, you lose sight of your own problems - and you become more hypocritical.
the terms, both involve some kind of discrimination if used incorrectly, that's why. the you structure you sentences with the terms really makes a huge difference, not to mention your tone of voice. if you appear to be angry, even with a low tone, that can be a sign of racism. the United States has defined racism as a weakness of our fathers, a flaw that we must overcome, yet at the same time, face the fact that is still exists even in society. President Bush, right now, in his first inaugural address mentioned that it is not acceptable. it's not, but who's going to listen if he's too busy building a nation in the Middle East? but a president for mostly war can be very hard, at the same time deal with immigrants who have no registration with the country?
the thing is, do you want to appoint more cabinet members to deal with the issue, nationally? or form a team in each state to deal with it as a state-wide issue according to their regions? whatever the case, most people are too busy working to realize what's really going on in their own country, yet alone in the world the very streets of their own community. a lot of parents are living from paycheck to paycheck, which is quite sad actually, 'cuz when everything drops hard, there goes the house and the car, and nothing left for the kids.
immigrants, registered with the nation or not, there will always be aliens in the nation. it's policy, I must say, very certain of. they are doing the jobs many people do not want, yet alone, are in need of a job to support themselves. fluxuating economy, many thought that after the war in Iraq, the United States would face something close to a depression. but things are on it's up and downs, you can only hope that leaders help enforce something reasonable - because the majority are just too busy with their own lives to worry about national issues, that have been, are present, and the ones yet to come. a liberal society will always exist, but the leadership chain needs stronger enthusiasm in the way the country is run. and maybe the terms mentioned won't be such bad terms in the "American" dictionary.
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