When did gamers become such <insert expletive here>!?

[ImpulsE69]

So I just read an article about many people complaining about the first boss in Witcher 2 being too difficult and that it needs patched because it's just plain too hard. Now, from what I understand, this thing is a huge monster and is beatable, just pretty difficult. To me it would seem a huge monster should take some preparation and work to defeat.

What happened to liking a challenge? What happened to having to actually work at a section of a game and that sense of accomplishment you get from finally beating an area/boss after time and time of getting your ass handed to you?

They would have never survived the oldschool days when the games were only long because it took forever to beat them by trial and error ;P

Todays gamers are pussies.

Here I thought it was just in LoL

 

[KaOTiK]

Games have becoming progressively easier for awhile now so even when a fair challenge present itself it is much more difficult than it would have been. All part of the symptom of gaming becoming so mainstream. Games are made easier so that the average retard can feel like a super hero at all times and not have to use their brain or get their ass handed to them.

 

[LurkerPrime]

Alot of younger gamers don't know what a challenge is. They didn't grow up with nintendo hard games. They just want to mash a few buttons in the sequence displayed on screen and have the boss die. They also want a pat on the back and a trophy for all the "hard" work they did.

Just look at final fantasy for example. The original could be unforgiving if you chose the wrong party members. If you ventured to the wrong areas, you could your ass handed to you easily. Save it in the end dungeon with no black mage (or out spells) and your stuck there forever. Now look at FF13. I could tape the joystick forward and just press x over and over while watching tv and the game would beat itself.

 

[smackababy]

1. the first boss of Witcher 2 isn't that hard. I did it on normal without getting hit once. 2. games have been pussies for a while now. Ever since companies realized gaming was mainstream (you can thank the PS1 for that) games have been on the decline.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Making games easier is an overreaction to the real problem of old games being too hard.

Old games were based on arcade games, which killed the player often and in unfair ways in order to extract more quarters from them. Stories weren't really important so beating a game wasn't seen as something that everyone had to be able to do.

Over time, games have gotten more complex, and they have stories that their designers want everyone to be able to see. So they're easier in order to let everyone beat them.

I think games can be too easy but I also think they can be too hard. A lot of people are way too far in one direction or the other - either they're wearing nostalgia goggles and think every game should be Mega Man, or they're a whiny baby who wants every game to hold their hand forever.

There are plenty of tough games out there and most games have adjustable difficulty. In most cases it works out just fine.

 

[Aikouka]

Just look at final fantasy for example. The original could be unforgiving if you chose the wrong party members. If you ventured to the wrong areas, you could your ass handed to you easily. Save it in the end dungeon with no black mage (or out spells) and your stuck there forever. Now look at FF13. I could tape the joystick forward and just press x over and over while watching tv and the game would beat itself.

Kind of reminds me of the boss at the top of the Fanatic's Tower in FF6. If someone didn't spoil the fight for you, there's no way you'd know to cast Life 3 on a party member before he kills your party.

 

[TheUnk]

It's true.. Try lending a copy of Demon's Souls to most "gamers" and they give it back the next day.

 

[Via]

I think gaming is more mainstream that it was, and mainstream people just don't get into challenges like we do. They want to move on without too much hassle.

I remember being young and playing the original Tomb Raider. I ran around some of those levels for days, trying to make impossible jumps to reach unreachable areas because they looked like you should be able to make it there. The challenge never got old, and I solved the thing without any hints. If all was fair I still should be having nightmares about the sphinx level.

Now I'm playing Singularity, which is a good game, but it has a feature that shows you where to go when you press a button (I've never used it on purpose). I'm trying to imagine what my TR experience would have been like if that feature had existed back then. I don't think it would have been anywhere near as great.

 

[Dumac]

Witcher 2's first boss wasn't really hard on normal. I only died twice, one of which was a dumb mistake.

Then again, that is just on normal.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Actually, my question is - when did PC gamers become such bitches? All you guys do is whine about everything. DRM, DLC, games are too easy, games are too mainstream, you'd probably kill yourself if you even looked at a controller, console kiddies are so stupid, etc etc.

It makes me ashamed to be a PC gamer.

 

[Mem]

W2 Boss (Kayran)is not that hard once you know what to do,I was stuck for awhile but once you know how to kill the Kayran its easy,problem is new gamers don't like to think or want a challenge,that's why a lot of games are dumbed down nowadays.

 

[Mem]

Actually, my question is - when did PC gamers become such bitches? All you guys do is whine about everything. DRM, DLC, games are too easy, games are too mainstream, you'd probably kill yourself if you even looked at a controller, console kiddies are so stupid, etc etc.

It makes me ashamed to be a PC gamer.

Hehe well in the old days would be a bit hard getting DRM on a floppy ,personally I always buy retail regardless of DRM used since I prefer retail games and not had any issues with DRM over the years.

DRM does not scare me in the least.

I think most old gamers have notice a change in the way games are going ie lack of depth/challenge ,dumbed down etc... we miss the good old days where games were games.

 

[KaOTiK]

Actually, my question is - when did PC gamers become such bitches? All you guys do is whine about everything. DRM, DLC, games are too easy, games are too mainstream, you'd probably kill yourself if you even looked at a controller, console kiddies are so stupid, etc etc.

It makes me ashamed to be a PC gamer.

We started bitching when things that were a part of a standard PC game started being stripped away and being treated like thief's when we buy a game.

 

[dpodblood]

Saw an image earlier that goes along with the OP perfectly.

 

[dpodblood]

I agree that games are a lot easier these days, but they are also a lot longer, and more complex. Most NES games for instance would be incredibly short if it wasn't for the fact you would die or get game over 100 times before finishing the game.

 

[smackababy]

Actually, my question is - when did PC gamers become such bitches? All you guys do is whine about everything. DRM, DLC, games are too easy, games are too mainstream, you'd probably kill yourself if you even looked at a controller, console kiddies are so stupid, etc etc.

It makes me ashamed to be a PC gamer.

Well back in the day when a game company did something that fucked over customers, we didn't buy the game. These days all we can do is bitch because 90&#37; of the morons out there will boycott MW2 and buy it on release day anyway.

In the words of Edmond Dant&#232;s, "Don't rob me of my hate."

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

Assume the boss you're talking about from Witcher 2 is the Kayran, there's a specific problem with the boss battle independent of it's difficulty. It's a typical old tentacle beast, and as required the fight consists of chopping of it's tentacles before attacking it's body. First, you trap the tentacle, then cut.

The thing is, the boss has 6 tentacles which all behave the same in the first section of the fight. However, the 2 center tentacles cannot be trapped or attacked. There is no feedback on this other then the traps inexplicably not working on the center 2 tentacles, and nothing in the game that would lead you to believe they're special.

That's why it gets complaints. It's not so much difficult as it is needless obtuse.

 

[gothamhunter]

Assume the boss you're talking about from Witcher 2 is the Kayran, there's a specific problem with the boss battle independent of it's difficulty. It's a typical old tentacle beast, and as required the fight consists of chopping of it's tentacles before attacking it's body. First, you trap the tentacle, then cut.

The thing is, the boss has 6 tentacles which all behave the same in the first section of the fight. However, the 2 center tentacles cannot be trapped or attacked. There is no feedback on this other then the traps inexplicably not working on the center 2 tentacles, and nothing in the game that would lead you to believe they're special.

That's why it gets complaints. It's not so much difficult as it is needless obtuse.

Well, that's pretty clear to me - you try a trap, and it doesn't work, so it must not work on those. Stuff like that seems to be the main complaint nowadays. Historically, if you tried something and it didn't work, that means it doesn't work. Now, unless you're told it doesn't work by an in-game pop-up or something, then you think it's just a bug and this game is stupid (not you, just saying majority).

Can you imagine if A Link to the Past told you how to defeat all the bosses for you? God I would of hated that lol.

 

[gorcorps]

Actually, my question is - when did PC gamers become such bitches? All you guys do is whine about everything. DRM, DLC, games are too easy, games are too mainstream, you'd probably kill yourself if you even looked at a controller, console kiddies are so stupid, etc etc.

It makes me ashamed to be a PC gamer.

No kidding... I agree 1000000%
It never ends

-this game is on consoles too so I already know it sucks (but it's not even out yet)
-my video card isn't overheating so the graphics suck
-this boss is too hard, patch it
-games are too easy these days, patch it back
-this game has a bug, patch it NAOW!
-why am I already having to patch this game so soon?
WAHHH WAHHH WAHHH

 

[gothamhunter]

No kidding... I agree 1000000%
It never ends

-this game is on consoles too so I already know it sucks (but it's not even out yet)
-my video card isn't overheating so the graphics suck
-this boss is too hard, patch it
-games are too easy these days, patch it back
-this game has a bug, patch it NAOW!
-why am I already having to patch this game so soon?
WAHHH WAHHH WAHHH

Well, the patches for stability portion can be a valid complaint. You're releasing a game that you acknowledge has bugs for the majority, if not all, of your customers. Why are you releasing it then?

 

[AstroManLuca]

No kidding... I agree 1000000%
It never ends

-this game is on consoles too so I already know it sucks (but it's not even out yet)
-my video card isn't overheating so the graphics suck
-this boss is too hard, patch it
-games are too easy these days, patch it back
-this game has a bug, patch it NAOW!
-why am I already having to patch this game so soon?
WAHHH WAHHH WAHHH

Although many console gamers are also impossible to please. See Zelda fanboys.

 

[sigurros81]

Assume the boss you're talking about from Witcher 2 is the Kayran, there's a specific problem with the boss battle independent of it's difficulty. It's a typical old tentacle beast, and as required the fight consists of chopping of it's tentacles before attacking it's body. First, you trap the tentacle, then cut.

The thing is, the boss has 6 tentacles which all behave the same in the first section of the fight. However, the 2 center tentacles cannot be trapped or attacked. There is no feedback on this other then the traps inexplicably not working on the center 2 tentacles, and nothing in the game that would lead you to believe they're special.

That's why it gets complaints. It's not so much difficult as it is needless obtuse.

On our next specimen, we have a prime example of a noob ladies and gentlemen. KIDDING, I JEST, don't get your panties in a wad.

It's kind of obvious because the two tenticles that you can't trap are twice the size of the ones that can. Like a really intelligent monkey, I figured out after a couple of tries when my trap fail to work and I got smacked in the face by the tenticle. By my awesome deductive reasoning, I figured that only the smaller tenticles can be trapped. I guess I'm just that awesome!

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

I don't think LTTP had any sections where you'd have 6 identical enemies of which 2 were totally invulnerable due to nothing but magic plot protection. And LTTP had a pronounced "plink" sound specifically to let players know their attacks were ineffective. The feedback is there, and designed to make it obvious that you're doing it wrong. This doesn't have that.

On our next specimen, we have a prime example of a noob ladies and gentlemen. KIDDING, I JEST, don't get your panties in a wad.

It's kind of obvious because the two tenticles that you can't trap are twice the size of the ones that can. Like a really intelligent monkey, I figured out after a couple of tries when my trap fail to work and I got smacked in the face by the tenticle. By my awesome deductive reasoning, I figured that only the smaller tenticles can be trapped. I guess I'm just that awesome!

They looked exactly the same size to me. Maybe you're right and I missed it. I'd go check ....well, if I could.

 

[motsm]

Actually, my question is - when did PC gamers become such bitches? All you guys do is whine about everything. DRM, DLC, games are too easy, games are too mainstream, you'd probably kill yourself if you even looked at a controller, console kiddies are so stupid, etc etc.

It makes me ashamed to be a PC gamer.

From over here, you are just as whiny as we are. You make me ashamed to be a PC gamer! Oh the humanity!

Yeah, your dumb.

Anyway, I haven't played The Witcher 2, but the first boss in The Witcher was by far the hardest in the game, so I wouldn't really be surprised if it was strangely hard in the second as well. The boss balance in The Witcher was horrible to be honest, with the last boss hyping itself up to be some sort of invulnerable god, only to be possibly the easiest boss in the game.

 

[AstroManLuca]

your dumb

:sneaky:

EDIT: Is complaining about complainers sort of like being intolerant of intolerance?