when can we expect .ogg players?
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sonicBlue claims ogg support for some of their latest players. iRiver is looking at ogg support for some of their high-end players that are powerful enough to support it.
But Joe Public just wants to play warez MP3s so there isn't much market yet for Ogg or (what I use) FLAC. And AAC support might be more likely than Ogg now that iTunes and iPod have legitimized the format.
But Joe Public just wants to play warez MP3s so there isn't much market yet for Ogg or (what I use) FLAC. And AAC support might be more likely than Ogg now that iTunes and iPod have legitimized the format.
Yes.
The Rio Karma already plays Ogg, and iRiver is releasing firmware updates for all of their players for OGG support.
The Rio Karma already plays Ogg, and iRiver is releasing firmware updates for all of their players for OGG support.
you mean a set top box?
soon, but mpeg4 distribution is having problems. the companies wont get off their asses (content providers mostly).
The issue has nothing to do with "warez MP3s" MP3 is a legitimate file format. It was long beofre the RIAA had lawsuit-itus. There is simply no demand (okay, there is obviously some demand, but not so much that the market is going to become suddenly saturated with ogg players) for an ogg player. I mean, really, how many people use ogg vs mp3? MP3 is like the compact disc. OGG is like the minidisc. CD made it big first, saturated the market, everyone wanted it and got it. Minidisc came later, made a tiny little drip and sold to a niche market. OGG may be better than MP3 but that doesn't change the fact that everyone and their grandma knows what an MP3 is.
\Dan
True but unlike CD/minidisc, mp3 and ogg can easly be supported by one player - with just a firmware upgrade in some cases (iRiver iFP-3xx, iMP-550 and others). But the fact is that ogg requires a good cpu and some RAM memory (because it is more difficult to decode) and in result it also causes higher battery consumption.
Why don't you go and see for yourself?
Ogg is at 1.0.1
The reason that mp3 sucks isn't because the RIAA doesn't like it, it's because it's a proprietory standard. People who make mp3s, make encoders, make players that do not pay liscencing royalties to the mp3 copyright holder are doing so illegally. They can be sued by the original developers of the codecs and standards.
from mp3liscencing.com:
What this means to a end user is that the products you use get slightly more expensive and if you begin to make your own mp3s then that could make you a developer. It's up to the owner of mp3 technology to decide what you can and cannot do with it.
Of course if you are like most people you can just ignore it and you'll get by fine.
Ogg is completely free. You can develope with it, make your own software with it, make your own songs with it and you don't owe nobody nothing and you don't have to answer to anybody. Plus if Ogg isn't up to your standards you can modify it and create your own superior standards.
Anyways it's suppose to be technically superior for music and streaming then MP3's anyways. In terms of bandwidth usage and sound quality.
They are also working on ways to encaspsolate it with different streaming technologies so you can use ogg as a sound carrier for a streaming music video for instance.
Ogg is at 1.0.1
The reason that mp3 sucks isn't because the RIAA doesn't like it, it's because it's a proprietory standard. People who make mp3s, make encoders, make players that do not pay liscencing royalties to the mp3 copyright holder are doing so illegally. They can be sued by the original developers of the codecs and standards.
from mp3liscencing.com:
What this means to a end user is that the products you use get slightly more expensive and if you begin to make your own mp3s then that could make you a developer. It's up to the owner of mp3 technology to decide what you can and cannot do with it.
Of course if you are like most people you can just ignore it and you'll get by fine.
Ogg is completely free. You can develope with it, make your own software with it, make your own songs with it and you don't owe nobody nothing and you don't have to answer to anybody. Plus if Ogg isn't up to your standards you can modify it and create your own superior standards.
Anyways it's suppose to be technically superior for music and streaming then MP3's anyways. In terms of bandwidth usage and sound quality.
They are also working on ways to encaspsolate it with different streaming technologies so you can use ogg as a sound carrier for a streaming music video for instance.
thanks people.. would be nice if the Ipod/Nomad etc.. would support ogg, it's definitely a better format.
The reason Ogg is better is that it sounds better. If you mp3 is fine and you don't care about a 1% increase in sound, then fine. But it is pretty much undeniable that in a double blind test, ogg comes out on top over mp3. As it should. It's a more advanced codec. It's especially good at lower bitrates.
It's not a better format, necescescarily. Depends on what you want.
128K/s oggs on an iHP-120 get about 12 hours. Mp3, about 16. The decoding is super heavy.
128K/s oggs on an iHP-120 get about 12 hours. Mp3, about 16. The decoding is super heavy.
OGG takes sound quality over processing power. In a double blind test, with a 320K/s MP3 Lame APE and a 320K/s ogg I bet it wouldn't be that different.
You won't regret it. Tweak the EQ.
You can use lossless compression (FLAC) as well.
YOu can find it for under 300$ shipped.
You can use lossless compression (FLAC) as well.
YOu can find it for under 300$ shipped.
Lots of formats are superior to MP3 (WMA, OGG, MP3PRO). But at higher bitrates the differences are miniscule at best and mostly nonexistent. My bare minimum bitrate 256kbs but I prefer 320. If other formats outperform mp3 at 64 and 128kbs I could care less since I never go that low anyway.
Then it just becomes a choice on what you want to support, a uninproved codec who developer wants to charge everybody for after all of a sudden of being free and popular, or something that is going to be continously improving and freely aviable for ever and ever...
Personally I would like to set up a streaming audio link for my personal use so that I don't have to cary a bunch of memory (in a player or flash card or whatever) around with me wherever I go. I'd probably let friends use it, but definately whatever player they use it will have to be able to play .ogg files!
edit: here to check out the differences between the different codecs.
Personally I would like to set up a streaming audio link for my personal use so that I don't have to cary a bunch of memory (in a player or flash card or whatever) around with me wherever I go. I'd probably let friends use it, but definately whatever player they use it will have to be able to play .ogg files!
edit: here to check out the differences between the different codecs.
From what I understand is that mpc, or mpegpluss got a bit screwed over because it's based off of mpeg2 and therefore subject to the liscencing and payment agreements, it's turned to shareware (I am guessing, not realy up to speed about it) and so it's not possible for a developer to profit much from it like it is with ogg formats, which are completely free.
wasn;t there a debate on whether OGG is completely free. i think remember reading that over at hydrogen.
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