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When are Windows® Vista? optimised LCD's coming?

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interwebgeek

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Been holding back on buying an LCD screen for my PC until the new Windows® Vista? compatible or "designed for" Windows® Vista? LCD's are released.

Want:
- Widescreen
- 1600x1200
- DVI

:cookie: 😱
 
Originally posted by: interwebgeek
Been holding back on buying an LCD screen for my PC until the new Windows® Vista? compatible or "designed for" Windows® Vista? LCD's are released.

Want:
- Widescreen
- 1600x1200
- DVI

:cookie: 😱
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1600x1200 is not widescreen. 😛
 
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Originally posted by: interwebgeek
Been holding back on buying an LCD screen for my PC until the new Windows® Vista? compatible or "designed for" Windows® Vista? LCD's are released.

Want:
- Widescreen
- 1600x1200
- DVI

:cookie: 😱
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1600x1200 is not widescreen. 😛
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Yes. Well. Clearly I'm stupid.... 😱

1600x{whatever the widescreen ratio is}

😕
 
1680x1050 is the most commonly used 16:10 resolution in that range (and it's what my 2005FPW uses).

As for "Vista-optimized" LCD's...the only thing specifically I can think of is HDCP support, which will be required to watch certain types of HD content. The only LCD I can think of off the top of my head that supports HDCP is Gateway's new 21" widescreen LCD (also 1680x1050). It also has Component inputs that the 2005FPW doesn't.
 
The only feature that Vista requires on top of what most displays require is the bloody HDCP protection which only Gateway has incorporated so far. My advice to you, wait for HDCP to come out before you go out and buy a new monitor (unless you get the Gateway which already has the HDCP). Dell has upcoming LCDs that supposedly incoporate HDCP over DVI.

I have a Dell FP2005 and I'm upset about all this HDCP garbage. I can only imagine how pissed I would be if I had bought an Apple 24" or 30" cinema display and someone told me that I couldn't use it to watch any content above 480p.
 
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
1680x1050 is the most commonly used 16:10 resolution in that range (and it's what my 2005FPW uses).

As for "Vista-optimized" LCD's...the only thing specifically I can think of is HDCP support, which will be required to watch certain types of HD content. The only LCD I can think of off the top of my head that supports HDCP is Gateway's new 21" widescreen LCD (also 1680x1050). It also has Component inputs that the 2005FPW doesn't.
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Ok I C. I was thinking about a Samsung or Viewsonic though, I have a Dell monitor here at work, and maybe because its a cheap model - maybe - but it really isnt so great. :/
 
My dell 2405FPW is totally sweet and awesome. It IS because it's a cheap, crappy model. Do yourself a favor and get it for yourself.
 
Originally posted by: gozulin
My dell 2405FPW is totally sweet and awesome. It IS because it's a cheap, crappy model. Do yourself a favor and get it for yourself.
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Cool thanks for that!

I'm going to see if I can find a price for it now. 😀
 
Originally posted by: interwebgeek
Originally posted by: gozulin
My dell 2405FPW is totally sweet and awesome. It IS because it's a cheap, crappy model. Do yourself a favor and get it for yourself.
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Cool thanks for that!

I'm going to see if I can find a price for it now. 😀
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While Dell FPW2405 is a superb monitor, I don't think it has HDCP support which is required to play true HD videos on Windows Vista
 
I have a feeling there is going to be a VERY slow transition to Vista...other than eye candy, so far it offers little to nothing over XP...
 
HDCP is as good as useless because the masses of people who were already pissed about being forced to upgrade to HDTV are not going to tolerate Hollywood telling them they have to buy a NEW TV just so the data transmission to the display is encrypted, or they can't see HD content.

Sorry, not going to fly.
600 million angry people > Hollywood.
 
So there is nothing special, spectacular about that Gateway right now that any other decent LCD has?

Hmm that NEC I posted doesn't seem to have impressive resolutions:

1280 x 1024

THANKS

What is really a HOT 21"-23" LCD out there, or a few hot ones? Something in the $800-$1300 range?

THANKS
 
Originally posted by: ribbon13
HDCP is as good as useless because the masses of people who were already pissed about being forced to upgrade to HDTV are not going to tolerate Hollywood telling them they have to buy a NEW TV just so the data transmission to the display is encrypted, or they can't see HD content.

Sorry, not going to fly.
600 million angry people > Hollywood.
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1. If you own an HDTV already, then you are considered an early adopter, and thus no one cares about making you upgrade. You either paid an amazing amount of money for an earlier HDTV and thus are rich enough to buy another one, or you bought one more recently and all of them have HDCP support.
2. The VAST majority of Americans don't own HDTVs, and Americans own them in far greater numbers than people in other big markets like the EU or Japan. There aren't 600 million HDTVs out there, there probably aren't 60 million. Hell, there probably aren't even 6 million without HDCP support.
3. Regardless of any naive notion of consumer empowerment you might have, Hollywood has all the cards and they can do whatever the hell they want. People all over the world have been buying the stuff they make for more than 75 years, and no, they won't stop because of an issue that a very small number of people know or care about. There is no indie music label equivilant when it comes to making a 100 million dollar movie and spending 50 million more promoting it.
4. The masses as you call them couldn't even tell you what HDTV is. For most people it basically means a big flat TV. The masses watch mostly SD content even when they have HDTVs, have no idea what 720p or 1080i means and a lot of them would never even notice that the quality is being degraded.
5. Most importantly, MICROSOFT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RESTRICTION OF HD CONTENT ON WINDOWS VISTA. Their goal is soley to turn a profit and it is very difficult to see how this would do that. The people who make the content you want to watch in HD refuse to release it without these restrictions. It's not as if this HD content will playback on XP or Linux.
 
I really don't care in the end either way. I'm pretty damn sure I'll be able to play HDCP at 1080p without HDCP support on my monitor.

I disgress, though, for the most part you are right. But here is a good summation
"Hollywood feels the need to protect their movies more so than ever when given the possibility of 1080p copies being rented at the local Blockbuster. The reality is that it isn?t Joe Schmoe with a Samsung rear projection DLP set at home who has the latest home video blockbuster available on the streets of Beijing the day after its release. More importantly, the people who do feel the need steal Hollywood?s movies will surely find a way around HDCP protection. The real issue comes from looking into HDCP?s protection power in terms of the Fair Use statutes. Coming to a court near you will be a battle to see if Hollywood is even entitled to implement such a protection scheme."
 
Originally posted by: obeseotron
Originally posted by: ribbon13
HDCP is as good as useless because the masses of people who were already pissed about being forced to upgrade to HDTV are not going to tolerate Hollywood telling them they have to buy a NEW TV just so the data transmission to the display is encrypted, or they can't see HD content.

Sorry, not going to fly.
600 million angry people > Hollywood.
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1. If you own an HDTV already, then you are considered an early adopter, and thus no one cares about making you upgrade. You either paid an amazing amount of money for an earlier HDTV and thus are rich enough to buy another one, or you bought one more recently and all of them have HDCP support.
2. The VAST majority of Americans don't own HDTVs, and Americans own them in far greater numbers than people in other big markets like the EU or Japan. There aren't 600 million HDTVs out there, there probably aren't 60 million. Hell, there probably aren't even 6 million without HDCP support.
3. Regardless of any naive notion of consumer empowerment you might have, Hollywood has all the cards and they can do whatever the hell they want. People all over the world have been buying the stuff they make for more than 75 years, and no, they won't stop because of an issue that a very small number of people know or care about. There is no indie music label equivilant when it comes to making a 100 million dollar movie and spending 50 million more promoting it.
4. The masses as you call them couldn't even tell you what HDTV is. For most people it basically means a big flat TV. The masses watch mostly SD content even when they have HDTVs, have no idea what 720p or 1080i means and a lot of them would never even notice that the quality is being degraded.
5. Most importantly, MICROSOFT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RESTRICTION OF HD CONTENT ON WINDOWS VISTA. Their goal is soley to turn a profit and it is very difficult to see how this would do that. The people who make the content you want to watch in HD refuse to release it without these restrictions. It's not as if this HD content will playback on XP or Linux.
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DUDE!!!! You are sooooo wrong about #2... I LIVE in Japan, and if you walked into the local electronics store, you would shiot your pants on the number of HDTVs available...approximately 100 different models and all HD...and that store is one of the "smaller" electronics stores....
 
Don't you think they'll be a hack for HDCP support in Vista? Every DRM scheme ever created gets hacked within a couple of weeks of release...
 
Pick up a LCD TV for HD content, many have HDCP already and are reasonably priced (or wait untill you really need it, as they'll be even cheper), and use a dell or likewise for the desktop and gaming.
 
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