When are we getting higher DPI monitors?

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
The pixels so small that it's like looking at the real thing, no matter how close you get you can't see the individual pixels, smooth like real life.

But I don't want to get that close to my monitor. Right now I'm at arms-length away from my 24" 1920x1200 and it is just fine.

You totally misunderstood the point. And you have to take in my message as a whole, not just that piece.

 

[dguy6789]

The very fact that anti-aliasing exists still is proof enough that our current resolutions are not good enough.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
The very fact that anti-aliasing exists still is proof enough that our current resolutions are not good enough.

so we should almost go blind trying to read text just to have a better image without AA? thats ridiculous for everyday general usage monitors.

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: dguy6789
The very fact that anti-aliasing exists still is proof enough that our current resolutions are not good enough.

so we should almost go blind trying to read text just to have a better image without AA? thats ridiculous for everyday general usage monitors.

How many times are you going to make that groundless claim? If your using Firefox, press CTRL++ on your keyboard.. OH LOOK! Everything got bigger, OMFG!!!!! Text scaling exists in pretty much every web browser, and most OS's. Plus new text packs can be introduced where the smallest text size is still enough pixels to be clearly readable. It's not very hard for an OS manufacturer to do. It's called updating with the times.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: dguy6789
The very fact that anti-aliasing exists still is proof enough that our current resolutions are not good enough.

so we should almost go blind trying to read text just to have a better image without AA? thats ridiculous for everyday general usage monitors.

How many times are you going to make that groundless claim? If your using Firefox, press CTRL++ on your keyboard.. OH LOOK! Everything got bigger, OMFG!!!!!

groundless? and yes I already have to do that with 1920x1080 on my 23 and 24inch monitors. the problem is that at some point doing that will screw up things and cause them not to display properly. just imagine trying to get readable and properly displayed text on a monitor with a 3840x2400.

 

[dguy6789]

Let me try explaining it this way. There's an image on your screen. It is supposed to be a circle. Your pc displays it as a hexagon. As technology progresses, it displays the same image as an octagon, decagon, dodecagon, and so on. Each time, the number of sides increase but they get smaller. The diameter of the image does not change. Eventually, we would get to a shape with so many sides, each so small that you can not see them, that the image would look like a perfect circle. Increasing screen resolution works exactly the same way.

If you have a screen resolution of 1920x1200 and are looking at a letter that measures 2 inches in height and then look at the same letter on a screen that is 3840x2400 also measuring 2 inches in height, the latter will look smoother and more defined.

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: dguy6789
The very fact that anti-aliasing exists still is proof enough that our current resolutions are not good enough.

so we should almost go blind trying to read text just to have a better image without AA? thats ridiculous for everyday general usage monitors.

How many times are you going to make that groundless claim? If your using Firefox, press CTRL++ on your keyboard.. OH LOOK! Everything got bigger, OMFG!!!!!

groundless? and yes I already have to do that with 1920x1080 on my 23 and 24inch monitors. the problem is that at some point doing that will screw up things and cause them not to display properly. just imagine trying to get readable and properly displayed text on a monitor with a 3840x2400.

I could easily imagine it lol. Because I would have modified font files for high resolutions, thus combating such a problem.

Plus, what exactly is going to happen that screws them up at "some point"?

We've gone from the days of 320x240, to 2560x2048. And nothings been screwed up. There's no reason for it to as we continue to increase resolutions either. The size of things displayed on screens is easily controlled.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: dguy6789
The very fact that anti-aliasing exists still is proof enough that our current resolutions are not good enough.

so we should almost go blind trying to read text just to have a better image without AA? thats ridiculous for everyday general usage monitors.

How many times are you going to make that groundless claim? If your using Firefox, press CTRL++ on your keyboard.. OH LOOK! Everything got bigger, OMFG!!!!!

groundless? and yes I already have to do that with 1920x1080 on my 23 and 24inch monitors. the problem is that at some point doing that will screw up things and cause them not to display properly. just imagine trying to get readable and properly displayed text on a monitor with a 3840x2400.

I could easily imagine it lol. Because I would have modified font files for high resolutions, thus combating such a problem.

Plus, what exactly is going to happen that screws them up at "some point"?

We've gone from the days of 320x240, to 2560x2048. And nothings been screwed up. There's no reason for it to as we continue to increase resolutions either. The size of things displayed on screens is easily controlled.

I was talking about increasing the text size using ctrl + starts screwing up some pages at a certain point. until there is a proper way to increase text size doubling the res to 3840x2400 will never happen. not to mention the cards, cables and monitors that can do all of that arent really being considered for general use in the first place.

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: dguy6789
The very fact that anti-aliasing exists still is proof enough that our current resolutions are not good enough.

so we should almost go blind trying to read text just to have a better image without AA? thats ridiculous for everyday general usage monitors.

How many times are you going to make that groundless claim? If your using Firefox, press CTRL++ on your keyboard.. OH LOOK! Everything got bigger, OMFG!!!!!

groundless? and yes I already have to do that with 1920x1080 on my 23 and 24inch monitors. the problem is that at some point doing that will screw up things and cause them not to display properly. just imagine trying to get readable and properly displayed text on a monitor with a 3840x2400.

I could easily imagine it lol. Because I would have modified font files for high resolutions, thus combating such a problem.

Plus, what exactly is going to happen that screws them up at "some point"?

We've gone from the days of 320x240, to 2560x2048. And nothings been screwed up. There's no reason for it to as we continue to increase resolutions either. The size of things displayed on screens is easily controlled.

I was talking about increasing the text size using ctrl + starts screwing up some pages at a certain point. until there is a proper way to increase text size doubling the res to 3840x2400 will never happen. not to mention the cards, cables and monitors that can do all of that arent really being considered for general use in the first place.

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And of course those things aren't being considered for general use right now. Because their damn expensive right now. Just like a 1080p monitor would have been 8 years ago.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: dguy6789
The very fact that anti-aliasing exists still is proof enough that our current resolutions are not good enough.

so we should almost go blind trying to read text just to have a better image without AA? thats ridiculous for everyday general usage monitors.

How many times are you going to make that groundless claim? If your using Firefox, press CTRL++ on your keyboard.. OH LOOK! Everything got bigger, OMFG!!!!!

groundless? and yes I already have to do that with 1920x1080 on my 23 and 24inch monitors. the problem is that at some point doing that will screw up things and cause them not to display properly. just imagine trying to get readable and properly displayed text on a monitor with a 3840x2400.

I could easily imagine it lol. Because I would have modified font files for high resolutions, thus combating such a problem.

Plus, what exactly is going to happen that screws them up at "some point"?

We've gone from the days of 320x240, to 2560x2048. And nothings been screwed up. There's no reason for it to as we continue to increase resolutions either. The size of things displayed on screens is easily controlled.

I was talking about increasing the text size using ctrl + starts screwing up some pages at a certain point. until there is a proper way to increase text size doubling the res to 3840x2400 will never happen. not to mention the cards, cables and monitors that can do all of that arent really being considered for general use in the first place.

View>Zoom>Zoom Text Only

And of course those things aren't being considered for general use right now. Because their damn expensive right now. Just like a 1080p monitor would have been 8 years ago.

that still gives some strange overlapping on some pages.

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: dguy6789
The very fact that anti-aliasing exists still is proof enough that our current resolutions are not good enough.

so we should almost go blind trying to read text just to have a better image without AA? thats ridiculous for everyday general usage monitors.

How many times are you going to make that groundless claim? If your using Firefox, press CTRL++ on your keyboard.. OH LOOK! Everything got bigger, OMFG!!!!!

groundless? and yes I already have to do that with 1920x1080 on my 23 and 24inch monitors. the problem is that at some point doing that will screw up things and cause them not to display properly. just imagine trying to get readable and properly displayed text on a monitor with a 3840x2400.

I could easily imagine it lol. Because I would have modified font files for high resolutions, thus combating such a problem.

Plus, what exactly is going to happen that screws them up at "some point"?

We've gone from the days of 320x240, to 2560x2048. And nothings been screwed up. There's no reason for it to as we continue to increase resolutions either. The size of things displayed on screens is easily controlled.

I was talking about increasing the text size using ctrl + starts screwing up some pages at a certain point. until there is a proper way to increase text size doubling the res to 3840x2400 will never happen. not to mention the cards, cables and monitors that can do all of that arent really being considered for general use in the first place.

View>Zoom>Zoom Text Only

And of course those things aren't being considered for general use right now. Because their damn expensive right now. Just like a 1080p monitor would have been 8 years ago.

that still gives some strange overlapping on some pages.

Of course if you increase the size of the text too much. You don't have enough room at your current resolution, but if you increased your resolution, there would be more landscape for the text to increase on the website.

 

[SonicIce]

I've always thought that the entire issue with text sizes could be solved if the size was specified in inches or milimeters not pixels. Then you could freely scale to any resolution and the readablity would remain the same. It would just have more jaggies the lower resolution you go. Just like how a vector graphic or a 3d scene can be rendered at any resolution while keeping everything in it proportional, but just higher detail at higher resolution.

Also, the operating system needs to unify all applications so text can be freely scaled by a factor easily changeable by the user. So if you want bigger text, just increase the scale factor.

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: SonicIce
I've always thought that the entire issue with text sizes could be solved if the size was specified in inches or milimeters not pixels. Then you could freely scale to any resolution and the readablity would remain the same. It would just have more jaggies the lower resolution you go. Just like how a vector graphic or a 3d scene can be rendered at any resolution while keeping everything in it proportional, but just higher detail at higher resolution.

Also, the operating system needs to unify all applications so text can be freely scaled by a factor easily changeable by the user. So if you want bigger text, just increase the scale factor.

Well, all the applications in your OS use the font files of the operating system (some applications will employ their own font files for other purposes though). So that could already easily be controlled with a small patch.

 

[IlllI]

we wont. or if there are, then they will be mighty expensive and a niche item. why? b/c people like cheap stuff. if you see monitor A at 199 and monitor B at 4x as much, which will -most- people buy? its about economics

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: IlllI
we wont. or if there are, then they will be mighty expensive and a niche item. why? b/c people like cheap stuff. if you see monitor A at 199 and monitor B at 4x as much, which will -most- people buy? its about economics

You could have said the same thing about 1080p TV's not too long ago. But as manufacturing cost's come down due to advancements in that field, the price goes down. And the technology will continue to advance, until much higher resolutions are easily created. Whether that's 5 years from now, or 20, it will happen.

 

[IlllI]

ok well in that case, yes. somewhere between now and the year 2238

i'm pretty sure the op would want it a little earlier though

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: toyota
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groundless? and yes I already have to do that with 1920x1080 on my 23 and 24inch monitors. the problem is that at some point doing that will screw up things and cause them not to display properly. just imagine trying to get readable and properly displayed text on a monitor with a 3840x2400.

Yes, groundless. Check how display DPI setting works.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
The very fact that anti-aliasing exists still is proof enough that our current resolutions are not good enough.

The fact that I can't see an in-game IQ difference between having AA enabled and not having it enabled is proof enough that our current resolutions are good enough for me.

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Let me try explaining it this way... Eventually, we would get to a shape with so many sides, each so small that you can not see them, that the image would look like a perfect circle.

Circles already look like circles to me.

It's like this. If that 15" laptop screen at 1920x1200 was available as a desktop screen, I would never buy it. Why? I left behind 15" desktop monitors over a decade ago. Past few years I've been using a 24" monitor, and I absolutely cannot forsee myself going smaller, yet many times I've considered going larger (even if same resolution).

To stay at around the same dot pitch as that 15" laptop screen, a 30" monitor would need around 3840x2400 resolution. Typical 2560x1600 resolution 30" screens are already super expensive. I'd hate to see what increasing resolution will do to pricing.

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: dguy6789
The very fact that anti-aliasing exists still is proof enough that our current resolutions are not good enough.

The fact that I can't see an in-game IQ difference between having AA enabled and not having it enabled is proof enough that our current resolutions are good enough for me.

Or it's proof you don't have 20/20 vision.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: dguy6789
The very fact that anti-aliasing exists still is proof enough that our current resolutions are not good enough.

so we should almost go blind trying to read text just to have a better image without AA? thats ridiculous for everyday general usage monitors.

How many times are you going to make that groundless claim? If your using Firefox, press CTRL++ on your keyboard.. OH LOOK! Everything got bigger, OMFG!!!!!

groundless? and yes I already have to do that with 1920x1080 on my 23 and 24inch monitors. the problem is that at some point doing that will screw up things and cause them not to display properly. just imagine trying to get readable and properly displayed text on a monitor with a 3840x2400.

I could easily imagine it lol. Because I would have modified font files for high resolutions, thus combating such a problem.

Plus, what exactly is going to happen that screws them up at "some point"?

We've gone from the days of 320x240, to 2560x2048. And nothings been screwed up. There's no reason for it to as we continue to increase resolutions either. The size of things displayed on screens is easily controlled.

I was talking about increasing the text size using ctrl + starts screwing up some pages at a certain point. until there is a proper way to increase text size doubling the res to 3840x2400 will never happen. not to mention the cards, cables and monitors that can do all of that arent really being considered for general use in the first place.

It really isn't that hard to change at the OS level, and its something we're already starting to see with newer OSes. 3840x2400 is exactly 4 times the resolution of 1920x1200, all you'd have to do to make a 3840x2400 24" screen look identical to a 1920x1200 24" screen is make each group of 4 pixels act as 1. And the best part is that instead of something like anti aliasing (or even better, it would be in addition to) we have so many more pixels to make things look all the more sharp or smooth.

 

[Modelworks]

The biggest issue with higher resolutions right now is OS support. It has nothing to do with the hardware.

If you try out the Win7 beta and enlarge fonts, you can scale them to whatever you like , but like some have said some applications do not handle it well. That is NOT a fault of the hardware and really not a fault of the OS. It is application developers that are not using a common method to display text. With win 7 that changes. It provides a method for all developers to use a common method that scales great . Other OS like linux with a compiz desktop already do this well.

If you are using 1920x1200 on a lcd and straining to see text, I would increase the size in control panel, even if some applications do not handle it well. Your eyes will thank you for it.

To not increase resolution because some applications are not written properly is a silly idea.

 

[KeithP]

The operating systems need resolution independence. Apple had originally announced such a feature for 10.5 but it got dropped before its release. It is not in 10.6 either. From what I heard there was a problem with carbon apps dealing with it properly. As I recall, NextStep on the NextCube was resolution independent using Display Postscript.

Until operating systems start supporting such a feature I can't see any reason to make/market higher res displays for "standard users."

-KeithP

 

[natty1]

Originally posted by: Zap
The fact that I can't see an in-game IQ difference between having AA enabled and not having it enabled is proof enough that our current resolutions are good enough for me.

now everyone knows that you are blind

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: toyota

so we should almost go blind trying to read text just to have a better image without AA? thats ridiculous for everyday general usage monitors.

You could run your desktop at half native res, leaving your 2D desktop elements large.

But with games you?d run native since everything in 3D is the same size regardless of resolution. Game developers would just have to allow 2D elements such as the UI to scale properly.