When are the new 45nm AMD CPUs due?

[jelifah]

I'm starting a budget build for a friend, $250 for Processor/Board/RAM, and just realized that the new 45nm AMD CPUs are due shortly.

Does anyone know HOW soon? If it's only a week, maybe 2, I could hold off. Otherwise I'll just start building now.

 

[Idontcare]

You mean the 45nm X2's?

The 45nm X3's and X4's have been out for months, since Jan.

The 45nm X2's have yet to be formally launched/announced...ETA is at least one month or longer before you'll be ordering them from Newegg and the likes.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Would it be wise to compete in the dual processor area for AMD with the 45nm X2's?

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Would it be wise to compete in the dual processor area for AMD with the 45nm X2's?

Are you asking if 45nm X2's are price-performance competitive with Intel's 45nm dualcores? I'm not sure I understand your question.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Would it be cost productive/effective to roll them out and compete against an equal class intel dualie?

EDIT: it seems they rolled out the X3 and X4 to keep up with the market as everyone is shifting to quad cores. It doesn't make sense to produce X2's That's if they are just X3 or X4's with the other cores disabled, then it would make sense.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Would it be cost productive/effective to roll them out and compete against an equal class intel dualie?

I'm going to stop putting so much scotch in my coffee, I am absolutely drawing a blank as to what you are saying between this post and your one above. As usually I don't have problems interpreting your posts I'm going to assume its the liquor at work here :laugh:

Are you asking will AMD have gross margin (profit) issues with the X2? Or are you asking whether a consumer would be better off buying an E8x00? I'm not trying to be silly here, I really am having a hard time "latching" onto your train of thought to give the matter some serious thought. Throw me a bone if you can.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Phenom II 720BE / Biostar 790gx combo: $199 AR

Note the Master PCIe x16 slot is on the lower end - seems to be the mobo of choice when unlocking the 4th core but that 'fun' may be at the end of its 'run' (seems the '904' and '910' chips have run their course)

The Gigabyte 790x is $20 more. If you want to spend less tha Asus 760 combo will save you $15.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

At this point in time, I think it would be an unwise decision to produce dual cores to compete in the ever growing quad core market. - pass the scotch

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
At this point in time, I think it would be an unwise decision to produce dual cores to compete in the ever growing quad core market. - pass the scotch

The only problem with that is most folks don't need 2 cores in their email/porno machines - much less 4 ...

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

True, but for me, i did notice my old Q9300 ran smoother than my 8400.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
At this point in time, I think it would be an unwise decision to produce dual cores to compete in the ever growing quad core market. - pass the scotch

Ah, yes the general viability of a dual-core CPU in this market is quite limited. ASP's will be >$100 only for the absolute highest clocked SKU's...the rest will deliver double-digit ASP's.

If AMD is selling harvest X2's from crippled X4 denebs then it merely has to recover the packaging and shipping costs from the ASP and the rest is profit from an otherwise junk die.

The dedicated maskset and layout for intrinsic dualcore chips (regor IIRC) makes sense when tackling the notebook markets where diesize matters to the package size and also they'll no doubt want the layout tweaked to enable lower Vcc (lower TDP) at the expense of slightly less xtor density to get there.

But in the desktop market, mainstream, a dualcore SKU has little room for pricing below X3's while still delivering >30% gross margins...

 

[betasub]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
True, but for me, i did notice my old Q9300 ran smoother than my 8400.

Smoother running what apps? By how much?

 

[NXIL]

EDIT: it seems they rolled out the X3 and X4 to keep up with the market as everyone is shifting to quad cores.

Hey BTRY,

about 9% of the market is quad core as of this most recent quarter:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....view&id=13747&Itemid=1

Note: that is recent sales; quad sales have been pretty low.

Good $70 CPU comparo:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...ts/showdoc.aspx?i=3554

45 nm CPUs, low price, i.e. less than $100.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...ult=False&Order=RATING

All Intel.

33 CPUs less than $100:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...MinPrice=&MaxPrice=100

Lots of good choices, depending on mobo, memory, both of which can be had at very good prices.

I would not worry about the 45nm tech. Note: I am typing this on 90! nm tech. In the low price end, not a big deal.

HTH

NX

 

[Eureka]

No point in worrying about tech. The newest tech is only going to be marginally better than the older tech anyway. Do what I did:
7850 Kuma/790x for $150, then $35 RAM AR.

Or if you want the triple proc, then do the Phenom II x3 720 with 790x from gig or biostar.

EDIT:
if you really want budget, newegg has the $300 combo deal on a complete system with Intel Dual-Core, mobo, 1tb drive, case, video card, and psu. May not be top of the line, but that's still plenty of power!

 

[BLaber]

Originally posted by: jelifah
I'm starting a budget build for a friend, $250 for Processor/Board/RAM, and just realized that the new 45nm AMD CPUs are due shortly.

Does anyone know HOW soon? If it's only a week, maybe 2, I could hold off. Otherwise I'll just start building now.

Athlon X2 should be out in month of June.I think during computex time.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Originally posted by: betasub

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
True, but for me, i did notice my old Q9300 ran smoother than my 8400.

Smoother running what apps? By how much?

Even at stock speeds, everything felt smoother on the Q9300. And I think at that time both machines were running Raptor 150's

 

[poohbear]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
At this point in time, I think it would be an unwise decision to produce dual cores to compete in the ever growing quad core market. - pass the scotch

The only problem with that is most folks don't need 2 cores in their email/porno machines - much less 4 ...

4 cores are a must for certain porn, especially the brazilian stuff. :0

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: poohbear

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
At this point in time, I think it would be an unwise decision to produce dual cores to compete in the ever growing quad core market. - pass the scotch

The only problem with that is most folks don't need 2 cores in their email/porno machines - much less 4 ...

4 cores are a must for certain porn, especially the brazilian stuff. :0

:shocked:

(rummages thru sofa for extra coin to buy quad)



Interesting stuff is starting to pop up on the AMD X2 45nm chips ... The OP might want to wait a few days and see how they price out.

 

[Soleron]

The rumours are Computex (June 2) launch; 3GHz Athlon II X2 250 dual-core with 2MB L2 at $87 and 3.1GHz Phenom II X2 550 dual-core with 1MB L2 and 6MB L3 at $102.

 

[wolfman11]

Those prices would be outstanding. I might spring for the Phenom II X2 550 dual for my server.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
At this point in time, I think it would be an unwise decision to produce dual cores to compete in the ever growing quad core market. - pass the scotch

Why would it be unwise? They are getting money that would otherwise be a negative. With the economy the way it is, company's are limiting the IT budget. With the limited budget people will and have stopped spending money on high end tech. Majority of corporations do not need the high end, most if not all computing is web based.

 

[richierich1212]

Originally posted by: Soleron
The rumours are Computex (June 2) launch; 3GHz Athlon II X2 250 dual-core with 2MB L2 at $87 and 3.1GHz Phenom II X2 550 dual-core with 1MB L2 and 6MB L3 at $102.

Wow talk about great pricing. Plus these should run really cool.

 

[jelifah]

Here's the processors I was talking about. http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...howdoc.aspx?i=3572&p=1

Looks like Anand says they should be here in a week or two on NewEgg, which is still too long to wait for my friend. Ended up ordering the following last week.
$98 - 64 X2 7750 & OCZ 4GB RAM (NewEgg Combo deal)
$105 - Foxconn A7DA-S motherboard, with a $10 rebate

Not a bad system at all, but the next day I realized the Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-US2H for $20 less and no MIR would've been a cheaper choice.