When are the airlines gonna get some real security! some ideas...

[Dat]

Man, watching the news is really frustrating, I mean people are still getting past security with knives and what not. Airline security is a joke, I really don't think the airlines have stepped up their security measures sufficiently. I don't think someone making 6 bucks an hour is really qualified to do any kind of thorough search. What we need is to enforce the same security measures that other countries like india or israel have. Their airline employees are ex-military and ex-police, not some underpaid vegetable.

My suggestions would be:

1. Have 4 armed marshals on each flight.
2. Have 2 undercover marshals on each flight.
3. Make the cockpit door out of something other than cardboard. The cockpit should not be accessible with a box cutter.
4. Put 1 armed guard in the cockpit.
5. Hire some real airport security.
6. Have the government subsidize some of the cost. The airlines can also raise rates, I'll pay more to ensure my safety.

 

[Viper0329]

Do you know how many planes are in the air at a time?

That is a lot of "air police"

 

[Kelvrick]

Thats gonna pretty muhc triple the ticket price man. I vote for a heavy door to the cockpit and a button the pilot can press to gas the passengers.

 

[HansXP]

<< Thats gonna pretty muhc triple the ticket price man. I vote for a heavy door to the cockpit and a button the pilot can press to gas the passengers. >>



I would agree with those.

The current security measures are a joke. They're confiscating RAZOR BLADES! It's useless...

 

[Emulex]

no carry on luggage, no purses, nothing metallic allowed on board period (watches,etc).

Cameras on folks, bulletproof doors for pilots, emergency sequence that causes plane to autopilot to a safe zone (and allow remote government control of plane).

All stewards/stewardess must be skilled in karate or other martial arts.

 

[brtspears2]

All carry on luggage should be locked in the overhead bin and non accessable during flight, a second metal detector or guy with wand at gate/jetway.

 

[SinMen]

What about international flights? Nothing to stop terrorists fom hijacking a plane after it's in a major US city.

 

[Herbman]

Have the coast guard take over the task. They are a Federal authority and could have juristiction. IMHO this would be a step in the right direction. There has been much talk about this in the past. Unfortunaly to much much red tape. The FAA and the airlines are going to be hard pressed to get this right. I would not mind paying more for airline tickets knowing there is top notch security in place.

 

[Speedy3D!]

what if one of the "armed guards" is a terrorist?

 

[SJ]

The lowest paid people are the people at the counters. Baggage people make more than them and the security does as well. And those people make $10... Flight attendents make anywhere from $17.50(per flight hour) to a little more than that(again flight hours), by flight hours, thats what they get paid while flying, when they are on the ground working they get paid $1.25 maybe a little more per hour, which isn't taxed. Im sure you were just exaggerating though. They cant make the doors like vaults, the plane would never get off the ground.

They need high tech xray machines. No carry on luggage, no electronics. It would make flight boring but safer. Only need two plain clothed air marshells. One in the cockpit one in the cabin. Also, another regulation, flight attendents no longer carry the cockpit keys, not like that matter though, the doors are flimsy..

Also, the government would have to pay for 90% of it, the airlines are severely hurting this year, that was before Tuesday, now many are on the verge of bankruptcy.

 

[Herbman]

I do like the idea of armed guards but then you deal with a loaded weapon on a flight. Any accidental discharge of the weapon not good when you are 30,000 ft in the air.

 

[viper007]

Of course none of this would be necessary if we had SUPERMAN!!

 

[Dat]

Okay I'll settle for

1. a nearly inpenetrable door for the cockpit
2. 2 undercover marshalls

how much can that really cost? the door is really a one time cost so it's almost negligable.
my 3 hour flight to the midwest costs about 30buxs an hour. assuming there is at least 40passengers, the gross would be:
30x40 = 1200 per hour. I am sure we can pay each of the marshalls $50 an hour (100K a year). That seems reasonable and affordable to me.
either that or charge all the passengers $10 more, I don't know why that can't be done.

 

[crabbyapple1]

Well the cost of security is going to mean the eventual layoff of many people. With airlines cutting schedules to meet up with new regulations...... damn this economy.

 

[Dat]

<what if one of the armed guards is a terrorist>

I suggest that the guards are provided and trained by the us government. we could just pay a tax directly to uncle sam to cover the cost of having the guards around.

 

[GunNut]

I think that everyone should carry a gun, concealed carry here in Texas has reduced crime. A super small fraction (> 0.5%)of a concealed carry permit holder has ever got in trouble with the law.
think about it who would be stupid enuff to hijack a plane when there is a stong possiblity of the potetial victims being armed.

 

[68GTX]

Terrorists will like the idea of armed air marshals on board as it will save them the trouble of smuggling weapons on themselves.

 

[Russ]

<< Any accidental discharge of the weapon not good when you are 30,000 ft in the air. >>



The correct ammunition solves that problem. For example, Glaser or Magsafe. They tear through human flesh quite nicely, but will not penetrate the walls of the plane.

Russ, NCNE

 

[SJ]

Eventual? Midway laid off 1200, and closed down its operations. Continental laid off 12,000, AMR, United, Delta, and the rest will likely have to lay off large amounts as well. Baggage Handelers, Ticket Agents and Gate Agents will be the likely lay offs. Flight Attendents and Pilots would come after them.

 

[SinMen]

<< think about it who would be stupid enuff to hijack a plane when there is a stong possiblity of the potetial victims being armed. >>


Then all they need is to start a gun fight, put some bullets in the windows, and we have airplane bombs dropping like flies on US soil.
I suggest everyone go on planes naked. It will be hard to conceal a weapon.

 

[spanky]

what i don't get is...some people say that airlines are hesistant to really get some hard core security equipment and train some real employees becuz it will cost them. but in reality...all the cost is passed to the travellers anyway right? someone correct me if i am wrong...

 

[Russ]

<< Terrorists will like the idea of armed air marshals on board as it will save them the trouble of smuggling weapons on themselves. >>



Really? Israel does it, and they haven't had a plane hijacked in 15 years.

Russ, NCNE

 

[351Cleveland]

1. Armored doors on the cockpit.
2. Small arms under lock & key (no combos, to slow) in the cockpit using the ammunition described by Russ.
3. Pilots skilled in use of said weapons.
4. ONE onboard armed Air Marshall - preferably plain cloths - per flight.


Some other more radical ideas.

1. Lock-down restraints like on rollercoasters
2. Knock-out gas system for emergencies

 

[GunNut]

<< 2. Knock-out gas system for emergencies >>



best idea i have heard all day!



<< Then all they need is to start a gun fight, put some bullets in the windows, and we have airplane bombs dropping like flies on US soil. >>



not likely from my understanding, all you would have is a cabin pressure loss, Oxygen mask would drop and plane would have to decrease altitiude, most likely then make an emergency landing.

 

[68GTX]

<< Really? Israel does it, and they haven't had a plane hijacked in 15 years. >>

How many flights do they have per year compared to the US? A friend of mine was a sky marshal some twenty years ago. Luckily he made it through his security career without a problem but as he says we live in a different world today.