When are FSAA and anitropic filtering usable?

Parasitic

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And now my main system is this:

A64 X2 4400+ stock @2.2
2GB PC3200 RAM
512MB 6800GS stock
74GB Raptor (main drive)
Vista 32-bit
LCD resolution is 1440x900.

Is it finally capable enough to run FSAA and aniso? What's a good setting for me in games like say HL2 and Guild Wars/WoW-type of games?
 

Bateluer

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Your video card is weak, but AF doesn't take that much performance to enable. You should be alright enabling 16x AF in most games at that res without too much trouble. If you want to enable higher AA in newer titles, you'll need a more powerful graphics card.
 

raystorm

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Yea, AF is certainly doable. I can't game without it frankly. Drives me nuts to see all that smear in the distance when AF is off. AA on the other hand can kill framerates but try putting 2x AA and see how that works for you.


 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Bateluer
Your video card is weak, but AF doesn't take that much performance to enable. You should be alright enabling 16x AF in most games at that res without too much trouble. If you want to enable higher AA in newer titles, you'll need a more powerful graphics card.

your video card is the weak link in your system ... especially trying to run even 14x9 ... ti-4200 was released in late '02 :p


you would be blown-away by how much better your games will look with a 2007 videocard. 16xAF is probably way too much for your ti4200 and even 2xAA will slow your new games to a crawl

if you want to see what AA/AF does, try a 2002-2003 game ;)
-then upgrade ... there are some awesome values right now for even sub-$100 that will eat your current card alive
-- you don't even have DX9 ... nevermind DX10; the differences are ... well, there is no comparison of DX8 to DX9
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Your video card is weak, but AF doesn't take that much performance to enable. You should be alright enabling 16x AF in most games at that res without too much trouble. If you want to enable higher AA in newer titles, you'll need a more powerful graphics card.

your video card is the weak link in your system ... especially trying to run even 14x9 ... ti-4200 was released in late '02 :p


you would be blown-away by how much better your games will look with a 2007 videocard. 16xAF is probably way too much for your ti4200 and even 2xAA will slow your new games to a crawl

if you want to see what AA/AF does, try a 2002-2003 game ;)
-then upgrade ... there are some awesome values right now for even sub-$100 that will eat your current card alive
-- you don't even have DX9 ... nevermind DX10; the differences are ... well, there is no comparison of DX8 to DX9

are you sure about that release date? i swear i got my ti4200 in 2000 or maybe 2001.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Your video card is weak, but AF doesn't take that much performance to enable. You should be alright enabling 16x AF in most games at that res without too much trouble. If you want to enable higher AA in newer titles, you'll need a more powerful graphics card.

your video card is the weak link in your system ... especially trying to run even 14x9 ... ti-4200 was released in late '02 :p


you would be blown-away by how much better your games will look with a 2007 videocard. 16xAF is probably way too much for your ti4200 and even 2xAA will slow your new games to a crawl

if you want to see what AA/AF does, try a 2002-2003 game ;)
-then upgrade ... there are some awesome values right now for even sub-$100 that will eat your current card alive
-- you don't even have DX9 ... nevermind DX10; the differences are ... well, there is no comparison of DX8 to DX9

are you sure about that release date? i swear i got my ti4200 in 2000 or maybe 2001.

yes ... and i actually thought it was '03 :p

but then i 'cheated' and looked before i posted

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_4_Series

The GeForce4 Ti (NV25) was launched in April 2002 and was a revision of the GeForce 3 (NV20). It was very similar to its predecessor; the main differences were higher core and memory clock rates, a revised memory controller, an additional vertex shader, hardware anti-aliasing and DVD playback.[1] Proper dual-monitor support was also brought over from the GeForce 2 MX.[2] The GeForce4 Ti outperformed the older GeForce 3 by a significant margin.[1] The competing ATI Radeon 8500 was generally faster than the GeForce 3 line, but was overshadowed by the GeForce 4 Ti in every area other than price and more advanced pixel shader (1.4) support.[1]

The initial two models were the Ti4400 and the top-of-the-range Ti4600. At the time of their introduction, NVIDIA's main products were the entry-level GeForce 2 MX, the midrange GeForce4 MX models (released the same time as the Ti4400 and Ti4600), and the older but still high-performance GeForce 3 (demoted to the upper mid-range or performance niche).[1] However, ATI's Radeon 8500LE was somewhat cheaper than the Ti4400, and outperformed its price competitors, the GeForce 3 Ti200 and GeForce4 MX 460. The GeForce 3 Ti500 filled the performance gap between the Ti200 and the Ti4400 but it could not be produced cheap enough to compete with the Radeon 8500.

In consequence, NVIDIA rolled out a slightly cheaper model: the Ti4200. Although the 4200 was initially supposed to be part of the launch of the GeForce4 line, NVIDIA had delayed its release to sell off the soon-to-be discontinued GeForce 3 chips. In an attempt to prevent the Ti4200 damaging the Ti4400's sales, NVIDIA set the Ti4200's memory speed at 222 MHz on the models with a 128 MiB frame buffer - a full 53 MHz slower than the Ti4400 (all of which had 128 MiB frame buffers). Models with a 64 MiB frame buffer were set to 250 MHz memory speed. This tactic didn't work however, for two reasons. Firstly, the Ti4400 was perceived as being not good enough for those who wanted top performance (who preferred the Ti4600), nor those who wanted good value for money (who typically chose the Ti4200), causing the Ti4400 to fade into obscurity. Furthermore, some graphics card makers simply ignored NVIDIA's guidelines for the Ti4200, and set the memory speed at 250 MHz on the 128 MiB models anyway. NVIDIA also missed a chance to dominate the upper-range/performance segment by delaying the release of the Ti4200 and by not rolling out 128 MiB models quickly enough; otherwise the Ti4200 was cheaper and faster than the previous top-line GeForce 3 and Radeon 8500. Besides the late introduction of the Ti4200, the limited release 128 MB models of the GeForce 3 Ti200 proved unimpressive, letting the Radeon 8500LE and even the full 8500 dominated the upper-range performance for a while.[3]

Then in late 2002, the NV25 core was replaced by the NV28 core, which differed only by addition of AGP-8X support. The Ti4200 with AGP-8X support was based on this chip, and sold as the Ti4200-8X. A Ti4800SE replaced the Ti4400 and a Ti4800 replaced the Ti4600 respectively when the 8X AGP NV28 core was introduced on these.[4][5] If the naming convention that had been applied to the AGP-8X capable Ti4200-8X was to have been applied consistently, these two cards should have been named Ti4400-8X and Ti4600-8X.

The GeForce 4 Ti4200 remained the best balance between price and performance until the launch of the ATI Radeon 9500 Pro at the end of 2002.[6] The Ti4200 still managed to hold its own against several next generation DirectX 9 chips released in late 2003; beating out the lackluster GeForce FX 5200 and the midrange FX 5600 and performing at parity with the midrange Radeon 9600.[7][8] The ATI Radeon 9700 Pro, however, generally outclassed the Ti4600 in performance and had a notably superior feature-set

it is an ancient video card by any standards .. but of course as someone pointed out, the OP actually has a 6800GS
:Q

... still pretty slow ... BUT should be able to play '05-'06 games with at least 8x AF and some AA ... and '04 games with maximum AA/AF

 

BFG10K

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On the 6800 I'd use 16xAF in all games, then 4xAA in older titles and 2xAA to 0xAA in new games, depending on the situation.
 

Parasitic

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Your video card is weak, but AF doesn't take that much performance to enable. You should be alright enabling 16x AF in most games at that res without too much trouble. If you want to enable higher AA in newer titles, you'll need a more powerful graphics card.

your video card is the weak link in your system ... especially trying to run even 14x9 ... ti-4200 was released in late '02 :p


you would be blown-away by how much better your games will look with a 2007 videocard. 16xAF is probably way too much for your ti4200 and even 2xAA will slow your new games to a crawl

if you want to see what AA/AF does, try a 2002-2003 game ;)
-then upgrade ... there are some awesome values right now for even sub-$100 that will eat your current card alive
-- you don't even have DX9 ... nevermind DX10; the differences are ... well, there is no comparison of DX8 to DX9

I have a 6800GS...does your post still apply?
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Parasitic
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Your video card is weak, but AF doesn't take that much performance to enable. You should be alright enabling 16x AF in most games at that res without too much trouble. If you want to enable higher AA in newer titles, you'll need a more powerful graphics card.

your video card is the weak link in your system ... especially trying to run even 14x9 ... ti-4200 was released in late '02 :p


you would be blown-away by how much better your games will look with a 2007 videocard. 16xAF is probably way too much for your ti4200 and even 2xAA will slow your new games to a crawl

if you want to see what AA/AF does, try a 2002-2003 game ;)
-then upgrade ... there are some awesome values right now for even sub-$100 that will eat your current card alive
-- you don't even have DX9 ... nevermind DX10; the differences are ... well, there is no comparison of DX8 to DX9

I have a 6800GS...does your post still apply?

of course ... your videocard is *still* the weak link in your system :p
- i find it strange that you never tried AA/AF since your old ti4200


You will love an upgrade ... 14x9 is quite a strain for a 6800GS and modern games if you want or need 4xAA/16xAF
--try it for yourself ;)
---you will get great results on older games [pre '05] but not so good on the newer ones