Wheel of Time TV pilot

Sho'Nuff

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So apparently FX has produced a pilot for Robert Jordan's the Wheel of Time. For those that are interested it is available at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvNYIEN1vIg

Warning - after watching the first 15 minutes I turned it off. Could not stand how the actors pronounced the names of various characters (its "Il-yena", not "Ili-A-na", and "shy-tan", not "shay tan.") FFS Jordan included the phonetic pronounciation of most character names in the back of every WOT book. In addition the acting seems to be weak in general.

Anyway, I'm going to pass on this unless the production value gets markedly better. Would rather not risk ruining my favorite book series of all time.
 
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I wonder if they will spend entire episodes describing the color and styles of shoes being worn, the shape of the cobbles in the streets / whatever mindless tedium Jordan used to stretch those books into the monsters they were.
 

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Wasn't there already a WOT tv show? Was on WB or something.

EDIT: Was thinking sword of truth.
 
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Sho'Nuff

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I wonder if they will spend entire episodes describing the color and styles of shoes being worn, the shape of the cobbles in the streets / whatever mindless tedium Jordan used to stretch those books into the monsters they were.

To be fair, Jordan was struggling with (ultimately fatal) amyloidosis when books 6-11 were produced (the biggest offenders). Once Sanderson took over the whole series became awesome again.
 
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Sho'Nuff

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Gotta be a joke. Gotta be a joke. Gotta be a joke.

The series, or my comment?

If the latter, I mean it when I say WoT is my favorite book series of all time. Books 6-11 were a chore, true. But 1-5 and 12-14 are incredible, as is the story in general.
 

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To be fair, Jordan was struggling with (ultimately fatal) amyloidosis when books 6-11 were produced (the biggest offenders). Once Sanderson took over the whole series became awesome again.

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The biggest offenders? That's nearly half the freaking series that you admit sucked.

And his problems started WAY before book 6. It's been ages since I read the first few books and ran away screaming, but I never got near 6 and it was still unreadable garbage. Even by 3 or 4 entire books were taken oven by Aes Sedai hair styles and dress fabrics. Didn't Jordan even leave one of the major male characters, one of Rand's groupies, I can't remember which was which, out of book 4 or 5 entirely? That's when I stopped reading, literally 500 pages of descriptions of hair/dress, entire chapters of filler with people sitting around talking not advancing the plot one iota and still he left out one of the major characters? He couldn't take one freaking paragraph away from the green brocade on somebody's skirt to at least mention what the important characters were doing? Well, they wouldn't have actually been doing anything except killing time, but still...

If Tolkien wrote like Jordan the Two Towers would have been 700 pages about Galadriel's fashion choices and wouldn't have mentioned Aragorn at all.
 

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Wasn't there already a WOT tv show? Was on WB or something.

EDIT: Was thinking sword of truth.

Sword of Truth was actually getting good when it was cancelled.

Certainly better than the post-Faith of the Fallen books, which were terribad.
 

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The biggest offenders? That's nearly half the freaking series that you admit sucked.

I did not admit they sucked. I said they were a chore to get through. That is not the same thing. And they are not really filler at all once you get to books 12-14, which tie everything together quite nicely.

I agree that to some extent, all of his books could have been shortened if there was less description of Aes Sedai fashion, rooms, decorations, etc. But my personal opinion is that much of that detail enhances the story because it provides a clear idea of Jordan's vision for the world. So . . . I do not find that detail boring or overly problematic. Where it got tiresome is in books 6-11 (and particularly 9-11, where his disease was progressing). In those books it was readily apparent that Jordan was having trouble keeping his plot lines straight, as he apparently felt the need to repeat lots of the same details over and over and over. For this I fault his editors, as such problems could have been easily addressed during the editing process. Even so . . . the over all story Jordan crafted is masterful.

Didn't Jordan even leave one of the major male characters, one of Rand's groupies, I can't remember which was which, out of book 4 or 5 entirely?

Yes, Jordan left Perrin out of the fires of heaven (book 5), instead focusing on Rand, Mat, and other characters whose storylines become interesting over time. I'm not sure, but I suspect that this was due to the fact that by the time book 5 rolled around, Jordan's vision for each story arc was huge. I suspect that he kept Perrin out of that book to appease his editors by keeping the book to a reasonable length while still resolving the storylines he progressed in that book. A similar problem arose when Sanderson took over writing the end of the series. A memory of light was supposed to be a single book, but after consideration Sanderson and Jordan's family broke it into what ultimately became the last three books of the series - each of which was awesome.

If Tolkien wrote like Jordan the Two Towers would have been 700 pages about Galadriel's fashion choices and wouldn't have mentioned Aragorn at all.


I know that Jordan has been compared to Tolkien, but I honestly don't see the point of doing so. Every author has his own style, and in that way Tolkien and Jordan could not be more different. So to compare their writing styles is to compare apples and oranges. The only way Jordan and Tolkien are comparable is in the shear size, scope and detail of the worlds they created.

As for Jordan spending a lot of time on side conversations, etc. Overtime I have come to understand and appreciate those conversations as much as the fast moving parts of the series. By the end of the books each major and most minor characters have a fully fleshed out personality - much of which is developed through those side conversations and interactions. This lead me to connect with the characters in a far more interesting way than most books. Indeed by the end of the series many of the characters were so well developed that they felt like old friends.
 
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Not into epic fantasy. Why 12 books, plus the 3 by B.Sanderson? Is it worth reading or just a waste of time?
 

GagHalfrunt

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I did not admit they sucked. I said they were a chore to get through. That is not the same thing.

Yeah, it is the same thing. James Joyce is a chore to get through in HS English. Gravity's Rainbow is a chore to get through if you want to impress some really pretentious people who pretended they read it. Tom Clancy would be a chore to get through if you're Amish and don't understand technology. Any book that is a chore is by definition not enjoyable. A GOOD book disappears because you can't put it down. Because you read an extra chapter when you should turn off the lights and go to bed. Because instead of turning on the TV you turn on the Kindle. Nobody ever used the word "chore" for something they enjoy doing. Jordan's books after 3 were a chore because they were endless tedium, like a 50 year long trek through the Aiel Waste (OMFG, how did I remember that place?)

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The gist is Red Eagle entertainment had to have something on air by this week or certain rights went back to Jordan's Estate. They apparrent threw this together last week, if the inter webs are to be believed.
 

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Yeah, it is the same thing. James Joyce is a chore to get through in HS English. Gravity's Rainbow is a chore to get through if you want to impress some really pretentious people who pretended they read it. Tom Clancy would be a chore to get through if you're Amish and don't understand technology. Any book that is a chore is by definition not enjoyable. A GOOD book disappears because you can't put it down. Because you read an extra chapter when you should turn off the lights and go to bed. Because instead of turning on the TV you turn on the Kindle. Nobody ever used the word "chore" for something they enjoy doing. Jordan's books after 3 were a chore because they were endless tedium, like a 50 year long trek through the Aiel Waste (OMFG, how did I remember that place?)

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Ehh, if you didn't like them, no need to shit all over someone else's enjoyment of them, whether or not you agree with it
 

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Somehow I think if Jordan's estate sues they have a good chance at getting the rights back. I can't see how waht's little better than a YouTube fan pic could meet their contractual obligations. Unless the contract was really poorly written.
 

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http://io9.com/the-real-story-about-that-wheel-of-time-pilot-that-aire-1684773094

In a nutshell, Winter Dragon, which aired early this morning on FXX, was not actually FXX programming. It was "client-supplied programming," according to an FXX spokesperson — which I believe means that someone rented time on FXX to show it. Similar to a late-night infomercial.

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There's a statement on Facebook that purports to be from Jordan's widow, calling the pilot an unauthorized production

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Update #2: Adam Whitehead with The Wertzone has a rundown of the history of Red Eagle Entertainment and the Wheel of Time series.
 

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Ehh, if you didn't like them, no need to shit all over someone else's enjoyment of them, whether or not you agree with it

It's also more than a little disingenuous to blast an entire work after admitting to only having read roughly 1/3 of it. Especially since having only read that far the issue would seem to be that Jordan's style didn't work for Gag.

Jordan's style tends to the verbose, he does get quite descriptive on a lot of details; I tend to like that as it helps solidify much of the feeling and texture of the world. Others may find it too much, which is a fair assessment - not everyone is going to agree on style.

I'm with Sho - Crossroads of Twilight and Knife of Dreams bogged down pretty bad, but everything up through Path of Daggers is really good, and from A Gathering Storm on is fantastic - A Memory of Light is absolutely gorgeous.

I think I'll avoid what appears to be a bastardization of really good source material.
 

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I watched a couple of minutes. This series should be retitled "photographs of Italian ceilings".
 

Paratus

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This is like 10x more pathetic than Sonys attempt to keep spiderman, even with Billy Zane as call me Ishmael.

I'll put Red Eagle down there with Harmony Gold for shittiest rights company .
 
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