WHEA errors - how many is too many?

[jkauff]

I have a 3570K overclocked to 4400, at 1.28v. The only program I run that really stresses the system is Handbrake. I use AI Suite 2 to bump the voltage up to 1.3 when I'm doing batch encoding (2-3 hours at 100% CPU) and that seems to pretty much eliminate any WHEA errors. Sometimes I get one, maybe two during a long session.

My question is, is that OK for a system that's otherwise stable, or should I be shooting for zero errors by bumping the voltage up another notch?

 

[Yuriman]

Bump the voltage. Errors are errors.

 

[Idontcare]

WHEA errors - how many is too many?

1 is 1 too many. Should have zero WHEA errors, that is why they are called "errors" and not "just a friendly FYI here, carry on"

My question is, is that OK for a system that's otherwise stable, or should I be shooting for zero errors by bumping the voltage up another notch?

More voltage and/or better cooling. Or you could lower the OC to 4.3GHz. Will you really notice the difference between 4.3 and 4.4?

 

[Dave3000]

This is one of the reasons I don't overclock anymore. I don't want strange things happening to my system or getting hidden errors that I can't notice. I never had a WHEA error before but a stress test program I was running when I had my i7 3930k oc'd at 4.2GHz didn't do something it was suppose to do at the end of testing otherwise it seemed stable during stress testing, maybe I had a WHEA error at that point but I didn't check for WHEA errors at that time because I didn't know about WHEA errors at the time and how to check for them. Your system is not stable if you are getting WHEA errors.

 

[grimpr]

Absolute stability under all scenarios including synthetics and power viruses is a requisite.

 

[jkauff]

Very slight power bump solved the problem. I ran a 5 hour encode yesterday with no errors.

Thanks all for the input.

 

[BrightCandle]

5 hours isn't a great deal of time. If your computer crashed every 5 hours you would likely be annoyed. Keep a watch on it over the longer term of weeks and months, keep checking for WHEA errors, running it close to the edge may very well mean its still going to show errors occasionally.

 

[jkauff]

I have alerts set for WHEA events, and I actually am only encountering notifications of "corrected errors", rather than true WHEA errors. I should have pointed that out in my original post. Even these only appear during Handbrake encoding, so I feel pretty confident in my general stability. I only get blue screens if I try to OC to 4.5.

 

[Ryun]

Just as an FYI: You can set a scheduled task in windows to fire off everytime a WHEA error is logged in the event viewer. It will be easier to keep track of the errors that way. Maybe have it write a log file of your own creation to the desktop.

I have this on my upgraded netbook as I want to keep track of its stability (the power delivery doesn't quite keep up with the under clocked Athlon L310 I installed). I just have it open up a command prompt that runs an echo command (echo "WHEA logged!" -- or something).

Also, like Idontcare said, 1 WHEA error is too many for a system that you need stable.

 

[john3850]

There was a time when I got just 1 whea a day at x46 after a few weeks I dropped the llc to get it back to normal.
If I go above x46 with less 1.3v on load they come back.
Many people here run at 44-46 just to keep there votage low and whea free.

 

[24601]

Let me guess.

Someone told you that a 212 would cool a 3570k to 4.5ghz.

And you believed them.

I love how people who deliberately spread misinformation absolutely screw people over and then don't get called on it when they do it again.

212/212+/212-evo is NOT enough to 100% stably cool a 3570k/3770k at 4.5 ghz.

People need to stop spreading this lie.

 

[Schmide]

Let me guess.

Someone told you that a 212 would cool a 3570k to 4.5ghz.

And you believed them.

I love how people who deliberately spread misinformation absolutely screw people over and then don't get called on it when they do it again.

212/212+/212-evo is NOT enough to 100% stably cool a 3570k/3770k at 4.5 ghz.

People need to stop spreading this lie.

WTF rant is this? (irony in bold)

The 212 is fine for cooling and scores high in the heatsink roundup.

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2655&page=5

If you actually knew enough about cooling, you would understand that a few c/w will really make little difference in an overclock. As long as you dissipate the heat, the chip will run.

Yes it can make the difference between moderate and extreme, but most modern HSF (towers) have surprisingly similar performance and when used correctly can achieve the desired OC. This is not to say it isn't worth the extra bucks to get a really good cooling system, because it is. It's just not the case the above poster is ranting about.

I declare spaz.

 

[24601]

WTF rant is this? (irony in bold)

The 212 is fine for cooling and scores high in the heatsink roundup.

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2655&page=5

If you actually knew enough about cooling, you would understand that a few c/w will really make little difference in an overclock. As long as you dissipate the heat, the chip will run.

Yes it can make the difference between moderate and extreme, but most modern HSF (towers) have surprisingly similar performance and when used correctly can achieve the desired OC. This is not to say it isn't worth the extra bucks to get a really good cooling system, because it is. It's just not the case the above poster is ranting about.

I declare spaz.

Submit your 4.5 ghz 3570k overclock on 212 with 10 run 25,000 problem size on latest Intel Math Library Linpack results.

Can't? Thread-crap somewhere else.

 

[Schmide]

Submit your 4.5 ghz overclock on 212 with 10 run 25,000 problem size on latest Intel Math Library Linpack results.

Can't? Thread-crap somewhere else.

More irony in bold.

Dude. I have a 2500k. Watercooled with large radiators.

Regardless your spazness isn't confirmed or refuted by one overclock or lack there of. It's simple physics and you are seemingly using your experience to declare war on a HSF.

If you want the logic of it.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?286130-Thermalright-True-Spirit-140%28BW%29

+

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2655&page=5

< 3 degrees.

I am not thread crapping on your thread. None of this has to do with the 212 anyways. You derailed it.

 

[john3850]

Since 2500k came out the 212 is like the holy grail of hsf by new posters.
The most ask question that goes with the 212 is why are my temps so high when I have good hsf.
Since I replaced the wc with a 212 on my 2500k I wont run ibt with the max ram or run it more 5 min.
In these forms the 212 is considerd a very very good hsf while its only decent at best.

 

[Phynaz]

Let me guess.

Someone told you that a 212 would cool a 3570k to 4.5ghz.

And it will. I have one.

No, I'm not going to take the time to prove it to you.

 

[Idontcare]

Since 2500k came out the 212 is like the holy grail of hsf by new posters.
The most ask question that goes with the 212 is why are my temps so high when I have good hsf.
Since I replaced the wc with a 212 on my 2500k I wont run ibt with the max ram or run it more 5 min.
In these forms the 212 is considerd a very very good hsf while its only decent at best.

The 212 is a great HSF for the price, but it is priced at an entry-level OC'er level for a reason because it is not a good HSF in comparison to the mid-tier or high-end air coolers (which are priced appropriately for a reason as well).

I own one, it is ok, better than the stock HSF for sure, but it is no Spire or NH-D14 cooler for sure (I have both of those as well).

That said, the outlandish diatribe interjected onto this thread by member Communism is just unproductive. Don't create a strawman (an artificially concocted scenario from your imagination) only to lampoon it so as to portray the OP (or any other member) as being some gullible noob idiot.

 

[Arkaign]

I have a 212 evo with my second system, and it cools the 2600k well at 5Ghz

 

[john3850]

The 212 is a great HSF for the price, but it is priced at an entry-level OC'er level for a reason because it is not a good HSF in comparison to the mid-tier or high-end air coolers (which are priced appropriately for a reason as well).

I own one, it is ok, better than the stock HSF for sure, but it is no Spire or NH-D14 cooler for sure (I have both of those as well).

That said, the outlandish diatribe interjected onto this thread by member Communism is just unproductive. Don't create a strawman (an artificially concocted scenario from your imagination) only to lampoon it so as to portray the OP (or any other member) as being some gullible noob idiot.

Understood and it wont happen again.

 

[Idontcare]

Understood and it wont happen again.

Unless you moonlight as member Communism, I wasn't saying your post was the problematic one, it was Communism's post that contained the needless hyperbole and rhetoric.

 

[XiandreX]

Let me guess.

Someone told you that a 212 would cool a 3570k to 4.5ghz.

And you believed them.

I love how people who deliberately spread misinformation absolutely screw people over and then don't get called on it when they do it again.

212/212+/212-evo is NOT enough to 100% stably cool a 3570k/3770k at 4.5 ghz.

People need to stop spreading this lie.

I know its not 4.5ghz but my Hyper 212x handles 4.4ghz just fine on my 3570k. My Temps running burn test and other stability programs always stays less than 80c.
Games run much cooler. Just saying. :whiste:

 

[wand3r3r]

You can use my little app to quickly check for WHEA errors.

 

[Meghan54]

The 212 is a great HSF for the price, but it is priced at an entry-level OC'er level for a reason because it is not a good HSF in comparison to the mid-tier or high-end air coolers (which are priced appropriately for a reason as well).

I own one, it is ok, better than the stock HSF for sure, but it is no Spire or NH-D14 cooler for sure (I have both of those as well).

So darned true. The 212 variations are quite capable coolers, given their price. But, as you noted, they're not in the same class as upper end coolers and won't perform as well.

Unless you moonlight as member Communism, I wasn't saying your post was the problematic one, it was Communism's post that contained the needless hyperbole and rhetoric.

You quoted John's post instead of communism's, which is where the confusion probably came from.