Whats wrong with this build , if anything??

[boglwe]

hey folks, let me know if there is anything I can improve on with this system. Its a gaming/TV system with little OC but there will be some minimal OC. There will also be a PCIe TV card and a sound card. There will also be a 850+ watt power supply. Just give me any suggestions. trying to save a dime here and there but not really needed. Can also spend a few more hundred if needed, but like this build. The cases is in series question as to the fact that it can actually fit 2 8800gtx cards. I will probably going with a full tower case from Antec or the newest cooler master case.

My build!!

 

[bendixG15]

If cash means anything, then
e6850 --->e6750 = $105

Hey, but thats me ...

 

[gwai lo]

The parts look fine for the most part ( I don't know crap about monitors and the peripherals ), who makes the power supply?

Beyond that, I'd shop around because Newegg's prices aren't so good anymore...but if you're just using Newegg to link to all the parts that's cool then...but I dunno, for some reason 3k for all that looks like too much.

edit: oh, and this is a no brainer, but you never know...32bit operating systems can't use all 4GB.

 

[PurdueRy]

Ignoring what in my opinion is massive overspending.

The only real issue I have is why you would get an IDE burner with that...

 

[sasmn]

Great build. Lots of $, wow! Make it a SATA DVD burner as PurdueRay noted. I decided on Corsair memory after much review. Look at the Q6600 - $295 at clubit for "guaranteed" GO stepping.

 

[boglwe]

Wow, thanks, I have always used Newegg, Dont know about much of anything else. Who else would you recommend to get all these items in one place? yes, Sata DVD burner, thats a must. I thought, Vista supported 4 gigs, O well, I will go back to two then, save me some money.

Ok, the system has a few noted changes from suggestions, but, i shopped around, and still cant see why i should not go with newegg.

 

[xitshsif]

The 2 reasons why newegg might not be the best.
1) If you're ordering a Q6600, there's no guarantee what stepping you'll get.
2) Somewhere else might have the same parts cheaper. zipzoomfly and clubit are common alternatives to check

 

[MarcVenice]

compusa and frys all seem to be legit. And newegg is good, but not the cheapest.

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: boglwe
hey folks, let me know if there is anything I can improve on with this system. Its a gaming/TV system with little OC but there will be some minimal OC. There will also be a PCIe TV card and a sound card. There will also be a 850+ watt power supply. Just give me any suggestions. trying to save a dime here and there but not really needed. Can also spend a few more hundred if needed, but like this build. The cases is in series question as to the fact that it can actually fit 2 8800gtx cards. I will probably going with a full tower case from Antec or the newest cooler master case.

My build!!

I would not spend the Cash on SLI at 1920 x 1200 one GTX is more that adequate. if were running a 30" or bigger you might see some benefit.

Then you can put the cash into better Hard Drives, Intel Chipset MOBO that is full featured Wi Fi etc.. in the MOBO, and less problematic than a 680i especially a NVIDIA Reference Mobo.... they are notorious for being poor on regulating voltages, and causing burnt memory etc...
The kind of money you are talking about laying out here you don't want issues.... and try as they will NVIDIA still is really not the way with an Intel CPU... you will be much happier with the stability, and features of an Intel Chipset....

Better hard drives are needed simply to feed the beast.. Raptors are a good way to go, and keep the big drives for archiving and storage.. back-ups etc..

 

[boglwe]

I went to clubit and found I could save about $200. I actually already own a 24inch samsung, and if i am getting two GTX's then I would atleast like to see the SLI performance. The raptor's bring the cost of my machine way over the top. Wish i could, But jsut cant seem to spend that kind of money at this time when I can save money with bigger less faster drives.

Why would I want a Q6600 over a E6850, All comparisons point to e6850 as being the faster chip. But, its possible, i am an idiot about this situation. Let me know please.

I love the p35 chipset BTW, would love for that to be able to SLI. I know its more stable. Just all very confusing , heh, as to what to do.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: boglwe
I went to clubit and found I could save about $200. I actually already own a 24inch samsung, and if i am getting two GTX's then I would atleast like to see the SLI performance. The raptor's bring the cost of my machine way over the top. Wish i could, But jsut cant seem to spend that kind of money at this time when I can save money with bigger less faster drives.

Why would I want a Q6600 over a E6850, All comparisons point to e6850 as being the faster chip. But, its possible, i am an idiot about this situation. Let me know please.

I love the p35 chipset BTW, would love for that to be able to SLI. I know its more stable. Just all very confusing , heh, as to what to do.

Are you confused about what SLI does? Why do you need two screens to see SLI performance?

And, no, Vista doesn't support 4 gigs of RAM unless its the 64 bit edition. Same with XP.

 

[boglwe]

Originally posted by: Mr Fox

Originally posted by: boglwe
hey folks, let me know if there is anything I can improve on with this system. Its a gaming/TV system with little OC but there will be some minimal OC. There will also be a PCIe TV card and a sound card. There will also be a 850+ watt power supply. Just give me any suggestions. trying to save a dime here and there but not really needed. Can also spend a few more hundred if needed, but like this build. The cases is in series question as to the fact that it can actually fit 2 8800gtx cards. I will probably going with a full tower case from Antec or the newest cooler master case.

My build!!

I would not spend the Cash on SLI at 1920 x 1200 one GTX is more that adequate. if were running a 30" or bigger you might see some benefit.

Then you can put the cash into better Hard Drives, Intel Chipset MOBO that is full featured Wi Fi etc.. in the MOBO, and less problematic than a 680i especially a NVIDIA Reference Mobo.... they are notorious for being poor on regulating voltages, and causing burnt memory etc...
The kind of money you are talking about laying out here you don't want issues.... and try as they will NVIDIA still is really not the way with an Intel CPU... you will be much happier with the stability, and features of an Intel Chipset....

Better hard drives are needed simply to feed the beast.. Raptors are a good way to go, and keep the big drives for archiving and storage.. back-ups etc..

If one GTX ultra or regular can run two 24+ monitors at 1920x1200 then I am IN. I would play Wow on one monitor and Vent, Thotbot, Schoolwork, etc etc on the other. I play other games too that two monitors are really nice. I would love to spill the money for two raptors and a p35 board.

 

[boglwe]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: boglwe
I went to clubit and found I could save about $200. I actually already own a 24inch samsung, and if i am getting two GTX's then I would atleast like to see the SLI performance. The raptor's bring the cost of my machine way over the top. Wish i could, But jsut cant seem to spend that kind of money at this time when I can save money with bigger less faster drives.

Why would I want a Q6600 over a E6850, All comparisons point to e6850 as being the faster chip. But, its possible, i am an idiot about this situation. Let me know please.

I love the p35 chipset BTW, would love for that to be able to SLI. I know its more stable. Just all very confusing , heh, as to what to do.

Are you confused about what SLI does? Why do you need two screens to see SLI performance?

And, no, Vista doesn't support 4 gigs of RAM unless its the 64 bit edition. Same with XP.

No, i know very well what SLi does, its jsut that, i have never seen it in action, and am curious if its right for me. Two GTX would be for SLI in something like HL, and then take off SLI for something like WOW (were leading raids and the second monitor comes in handy). Have one GTX run one monitor and the other GTX run the other. AM I OUTTA MY MIND?? heh. Any criticism is just fine btw.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: boglwe

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: boglwe
I went to clubit and found I could save about $200. I actually already own a 24inch samsung, and if i am getting two GTX's then I would atleast like to see the SLI performance. The raptor's bring the cost of my machine way over the top. Wish i could, But jsut cant seem to spend that kind of money at this time when I can save money with bigger less faster drives.

Why would I want a Q6600 over a E6850, All comparisons point to e6850 as being the faster chip. But, its possible, i am an idiot about this situation. Let me know please.

I love the p35 chipset BTW, would love for that to be able to SLI. I know its more stable. Just all very confusing , heh, as to what to do.

Are you confused about what SLI does? Why do you need two screens to see SLI performance?

And, no, Vista doesn't support 4 gigs of RAM unless its the 64 bit edition. Same with XP.

No, i know very well what SLi does, its jsut that, i have never seen it in action, and am curious if its right for me. Two GTX would be for SLI in something like HL, and then take off SLI for something like WOW (were leading raids and the second monitor comes in handy). Have one GTX run one monitor and the other GTX run the other. AM I OUTTA MY MIND?? heh. Any criticism is just fine btw.

but you don't need a GTX's power to run Vent, Thotbot or schoolwork on a second monitor. One GTX can do both HL/WOW along with those things just fine.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: boglwe

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: boglwe
I went to clubit and found I could save about $200. I actually already own a 24inch samsung, and if i am getting two GTX's then I would atleast like to see the SLI performance. The raptor's bring the cost of my machine way over the top. Wish i could, But jsut cant seem to spend that kind of money at this time when I can save money with bigger less faster drives.

Why would I want a Q6600 over a E6850, All comparisons point to e6850 as being the faster chip. But, its possible, i am an idiot about this situation. Let me know please.

I love the p35 chipset BTW, would love for that to be able to SLI. I know its more stable. Just all very confusing , heh, as to what to do.

Are you confused about what SLI does? Why do you need two screens to see SLI performance?

And, no, Vista doesn't support 4 gigs of RAM unless its the 64 bit edition. Same with XP.

No, i know very well what SLi does, its jsut that, i have never seen it in action, and am curious if its right for me. Two GTX would be for SLI in something like HL, and then take off SLI for something like WOW (were leading raids and the second monitor comes in handy). Have one GTX run one monitor and the other GTX run the other. AM I OUTTA MY MIND?? heh. Any criticism is just fine btw.

It doesn't quite work that way.

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: boglwe

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: boglwe
I went to clubit and found I could save about $200. I actually already own a 24inch samsung, and if i am getting two GTX's then I would atleast like to see the SLI performance. The raptor's bring the cost of my machine way over the top. Wish i could, But jsut cant seem to spend that kind of money at this time when I can save money with bigger less faster drives.

Why would I want a Q6600 over a E6850, All comparisons point to e6850 as being the faster chip. But, its possible, i am an idiot about this situation. Let me know please.

I love the p35 chipset BTW, would love for that to be able to SLI. I know its more stable. Just all very confusing , heh, as to what to do.

Are you confused about what SLI does? Why do you need two screens to see SLI performance?

And, no, Vista doesn't support 4 gigs of RAM unless its the 64 bit edition. Same with XP.

No, i know very well what SLi does, its jsut that, i have never seen it in action, and am curious if its right for me. Two GTX would be for SLI in something like HL, and then take off SLI for something like WOW (were leading raids and the second monitor comes in handy). Have one GTX run one monitor and the other GTX run the other. AM I OUTTA MY MIND?? heh. Any criticism is just fine btw.

but you don't need a GTX's power to run Vent, Thotbot or schoolwork on a second monitor. One GTX can do both HL/WOW along with those things just fine.

Yeah Ry is making a very good point... SLI was ok when the GPU technology was not as advanced as it is now... Texture intensive games were burying Vid Cards... now the GPU technology has caught up, and moved ahead of most games that are currently out there, Game Developers target mainstream.

You need to look at it this way :

cost justification v.s. realistic needs assessment.

This is being thrown out as theoretical...



If you given monitor at your given resolution gets 100 FPS using a $550.00 GTX
Running everything that you want and never ever dropping below 80 FPS.

If adding a second GTX at your given resolution adds 15-20 FPS does that justify the additional $550.00 ?

 

[boglwe]

No, it dont, heh. yea, it seems i dont really need two GTX's. It would have been fun though, I love the p35 and will go back to it. Maybe get a few raptors. Thanks for all the information everyone. Its really pt me on a better path.

 

[boglwe]

Ok, after much thought and user suggestions, here is the newest build.
Note that the two GTX's have been replaced with One GTX and 2 Raptors.
The motherboard is now the WIFI deluxe P35 board.
ZIPZOOMFLY has all this for about 90 dollars cheaper then newegg /w shipping.
Going to go to Clubit and check what they can do for me there.
My newest Build.
Open for anymore suggestions.


Actually, I now see I have Two 500 HDD on the Newegg, so Newegg is cheapest of all three, Zipzoomfly and Clubit

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: boglwe
Ok, after much thought and user suggestions, here is the newest build.
Note that the two GTX's have been replaced with One GTX and 2 Raptors.
The motherboard is now the WIFI deluxe P35 board.
ZIPZOOMFLY has all this for about 90 dollars cheaper then newegg /w shipping.
Going to go to Clubit and check what they can do for me there.
My newest Build.
Open for anymore suggestions.


Actually, I now see I have Two 500 HDD on the Newegg, so Newegg is cheapest of all three, Zipzoomfly and Clubit

Why two raptors? Most people do one for their windows install as that is the drive most accesed. I would leave it at that.

 

[boglwe]

Two raptors in Raid 0. Thats what I see most of.


Just did some googling, and found that there is NO real world improvements for raptors in raid 0. Thanks again, saved me 200 bucks.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

there are a lot of things wrong IMO:

1. Thermaltake makes pretty crappy cases. if you're giong for a high end build get a p182 or a Lian Li/Silverstone case
2. that psu is pretty outdated, there are bigger/better ones (corsair 620/PCPC silencer 750)
3. that mb is quote expensive and onboard Wifi is useless and bad if u think about it. you'll want to upgrade to the newest wifi adapter asap and you'll have wasted ur money on the mb. get a DS3 R
4. get a Q6600 over that lowly dual core
5. the tuniq tower will outperform that anyday. or if u must, get the 9700.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: boglwe
Two raptors in Raid 0. Thats what I see most of.


Just did some googling, and found that there is NO real world improvements for raptors in raid 0. Thanks again, saved me 200 bucks.

Thanks for googling, you saved me having to link you to the RAID 0 benchmarks

 

[boglwe]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: boglwe
Two raptors in Raid 0. Thats what I see most of.


Just did some googling, and found that there is NO real world improvements for raptors in raid 0. Thanks again, saved me 200 bucks.

Thanks for googling, you saved me having to link you to the RAID 0 benchmarks

Yes, thanks for opening my eyes a bit to really take a look, Here is my newest build specs.

Newest build

1. Only one raptor now
2. Abit motherboard
3. Added another gig of memory via 2x512 Corsair.

EDIT: BTW LUISSSS if you can rightfully explain the q6600 over the e6850, then I will change it, but so far, the e6850 has better preformance in gaming hands down. people do say that OC'ed q6600 is good to go, but then I can jsut oc my e6850 for gaming once again. So, please explain so I can get a better feel.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: boglwe

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: boglwe
Two raptors in Raid 0. Thats what I see most of.


Just did some googling, and found that there is NO real world improvements for raptors in raid 0. Thanks again, saved me 200 bucks.

Thanks for googling, you saved me having to link you to the RAID 0 benchmarks

Yes, thanks for opening my eyes a bit to really take a look, Here is my newest build specs.

Newest build

1. Only one raptor now
2. Abit motherboard
3. Added another gig of memory via 2x512 Corsair.

EDIT: BTW LUISSSS if you can rightfully explain the q6600 over the e6850, then I will change it, but so far, the e6850 has better preformance in gaming hands down. people do say that OC'ed q6600 is good to go, but then I can jsut oc my e6850 for gaming once again. So, please explain so I can get a better feel.

Get 64 Bit vista w/ 4 gigs of ram, not 3.

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
there are a lot of things wrong IMO:

1. Thermaltake makes pretty crappy cases. if you're giong for a high end build get a p182 or a Lian Li/Silverstone case
2. that psu is pretty outdated, there are bigger/better ones (corsair 620/PCPC silencer 750)
3. that mb is quote expensive and onboard Wifi is useless and bad if u think about it. you'll want to upgrade to the newest wifi adapter asap and you'll have wasted ur money on the mb. get a DS3 R
4. get a Q6600 over that lowly dual core
5. the tuniq tower will outperform that anyday. or if u must, get the 9700.

!,) Some ThermalTake Cases are not too great ... Lian -Li has a dog or two also but a case is a personal choice, and your statement does not apply to the case that you let your Fanboyism show on..... yes the silver case is 40.00 more than the Black case that is the same design...
Beyond that... Armor is a Great Case most people take the flaps off.

2,) I never was a fan of the OCZ supply as it is known to have Ripple issues at higher loads.
The PCP&C... Unless it is Modular.. it is as outmoded as the OCZ.....

The Corsair is an Good Choice .. SILVERSTONE ST75Fis an Enhance in Silverstone Clothes.

3,) The Integrated Wi/Fi is faster than virtually any internet connection out there :

ASUS WiFi-AP Solo
54 Mbps IEEE 802.11g and backwards compatible with 11 Mbps IEEE 802.11b

Draft N is still just that, and overkill.... Bi directional 54 Mbps.. they work just fine... and there are many other features on that MOBO that are outstanding. The BIOS is probably the best between it and the ABIT....
If they are going to Overclock they need the right tools, and that MOBO(P5KDeluxe) or the P5K/E Wi/Fi are less than the ABIT IP35 Pro...

4,) The quad is fine if you heavy Multi..Task... but they are a concern heat dissipation wise.

5,) The Tuniq, Scythe INF, are the best in terms of Thermal Mass, and resistance to Thermal Saturation.... something that the Zalman does suffer from.


Now all you need is Good micron D-9 Memory , and you are set.. Most Corsair DDR 2 PC 6400 that is in Production is ProMos, Elpida, Or Qimonda, IC's they will give you good performance at stock speeds, but depending on the IC anything from Ok performance, to Just able to make stock speeds.