What's wrong with sex out of wedlock?

[shira]

The fundamental purpose of sex, as practiced by virtually the entire human race, is NOT procreation. It is pleasure. Even devout Catholics and orthodox Jews - who believe that contraception is a sin - actively seek to AVOID pregnancy by engaging in sex when the woman is least likely to have a fertile egg. Clearly, Catholics and Jews engaging in this avoidance behavior are having sex SOLELY for pleasure.

So the question becomes: If 99+% of sex acts are NOT directed at procreation, why do so many people believe sex out of wedlock is a sin? What is so special about sex that it needs to be restricted to marriage? Why aren't single people entitled to the pleasures of sex?

If masturbation (sexual stimulation solely for the purpose of pleasure) is not a sin (and you're REALLY out there if you think it is), then why is mutual masturbation (aka, sexual intercourse) not also okay?

Let's not get into the whole "You can't get STDs if you're a virgin" pseudo-argument. This is NOT the real reason abstinence is advocated. To see this, imagine that there's a magic pill that provides 100% guaranteed lifetime protection against STDs. Is out-of-wedlock sex now okay for those who take this pill? I didn't think so.

I understand that people hold religious views, and much of what they believe is a matter of faith. But when faith butts up against common sense, faith needs to take a hike.

 

[homercles337]

Its "wrong" because they are told its wrong. Religion releases one of the "burden" of thinking. Nice eh?

/thread

 

[Genx87]

Even without religion sex out of wedlock is a gamble.

STDs or pregnancy.

Common sense to me would say if you want neither, dont have sex.

 

[slyedog]

not a sin, but who wants a worn out bit&h

 

[Zontor]

I think the position on sex (pun intended) is generated by the values of the society in which we place ourselves.

Example: Using the argument that people are having sex soley for pleasure - why not allow poeple to use recreational drugs soley for pleasure?

I think it comes down to unintended consequences. Like it or not, everything has them. STD's will not go away with a magic pill, if a child is created and kept, who raises the kid? I might also that sex has an emotional cost (ask anyone who has been raped or sexually abused.)

Having said that if it were a perfect world and people could act responsibly....

 

[CycloWizard]

You dismissed many arguments that might contradict your own by saying they're 'WAY out there' or other. Obviously, you're not really interested in discussion, only demeaning the ways of those who disagree with you. :roll:

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Even without religion sex out of wedlock is a gamble.

STDs or pregnancy.

Common sense to me would say if you want neither, dont have sex.

And if you don't want to be run over by a truck, don't leave your house.

Sex is one of life's greatest pleasures - perhaps THE greatest. I have been pretty promiscuous at times in my life, and have found something to enjoy in nearly all of my sexual partners. I am not inclined to deny myself this pleasure based on the risks involved - obviously others may disagree.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Even without religion sex out of wedlock is a gamble.

STDs or pregnancy.

Common sense to me would say if you want neither, dont have sex.

You also have psychological issues if someone is constantly trying to fill a a void with sex (i.e. trying to feel acceptance etc).

I'm not running around saying you shouldn't have sex out of wedlock, but I think meaningless sex with random people is just that -- meaningless. As fun as it might be, the negatives are pretty, well, negative. STDs for the rest of your life, pregnancy with someone who has about all the traits you would never want your child to have etc. It's sad that people will have sex with other people before they can even remember his or her name, let alone ask him or her to get an STD test.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Even without religion sex out of wedlock is a gamble.

STDs or pregnancy.

Common sense to me would say if you want neither, dont have sex.

You should be castrated immediately.

 

[rickn]

The fundamental purpose of sex, as practiced by virtually the entire human race, is NOT procreation. It is pleasure.

and thank goodness for that. average man has sex 2x per week x 52weeks x 70yrs. imagine what your child support payments would be like

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Genx87
Even without religion sex out of wedlock is a gamble.

STDs or pregnancy.

Common sense to me would say if you want neither, dont have sex.

And if you don't want to be run over by a truck, don't leave your house.

Sex is one of life's greatest pleasures - perhaps THE greatest. I have been pretty promiscuous at times in my life, and have found something to enjoy in nearly all of my sexual partners. I am not inclined to deny myself this pleasure based on the risks involved - obviously others may disagree.

I think a more appropriate analogy would be to not walk in the middle of a busy street. A course of action that puts you right in the way of speeding trucks.

Sex is one of lifes greatest pleasures but I responding to the OP's argument that people preach abstinence due to religious beliefs which is false.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Genx87

I think a more appropriate analogy would be to not walk in the middle of a busy street. A course of action that puts you right in the way of speeding trucks.

Sex is one of lifes greatest pleasures but I responding to the OP's argument that people preach abstinence due to religious beliefs which is false.

Fair enough. If walking in the middle of the street were as fun as having sex, I guess I'd have been flattened many years ago!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Genx87
Even without religion sex out of wedlock is a gamble.

STDs or pregnancy.

Common sense to me would say if you want neither, dont have sex.

You should be castrated immediately.

Why?

 

[rickn]

blueballs can be unhealthy

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Genx87
Even without religion sex out of wedlock is a gamble.

STDs or pregnancy.

Common sense to me would say if you want neither, dont have sex.

You also have psychological issues if someone is constantly trying to fill a a void with sex (i.e. trying to feel acceptance etc).

I'm not running around saying you shouldn't have sex out of wedlock, but I think meaningless sex with random people is just that -- meaningless. As fun as it might be, the negatives are pretty, well, negative. STDs for the rest of your life, pregnancy with someone who has about all the traits you would never want your child to have etc. It's sad that people will have sex with other people before they can even remember his or her name, let alone ask him or her to get an STD test.

Both you guys hit it on the nail. In school I wasn't taught contraception without a consistent emphasis on ABSTINENCE...
and I would think it is more out of practicality (sp?) than it is religious...

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Genx87

I think a more appropriate analogy would be to not walk in the middle of a busy street. A course of action that puts you right in the way of speeding trucks.

Sex is one of lifes greatest pleasures but I responding to the OP's argument that people preach abstinence due to religious beliefs which is false.

Fair enough. If walking in the middle of the street were as fun as having sex, I guess I'd have been flattened many years ago!

Heh you wouldnt be the only one

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: shira
What's wrong with sex out of wedlock?

If you're single, not getting any is wrong.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Genx87
Even without religion sex out of wedlock is a gamble.

STDs or pregnancy.

Common sense to me would say if you want neither, dont have sex.

And if you don't want to be run over by a truck, don't leave your house.

Sex is one of life's greatest pleasures - perhaps THE greatest. I have been pretty promiscuous at times in my life, and have found something to enjoy in nearly all of my sexual partners. I am not inclined to deny myself this pleasure based on the risks involved - obviously others may disagree.

Which would be at least reasonable if people at least accepted the risks, but nope, they get aids and bill the government for their medication.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Nothing as long as it is between caring, loving, responsible adults .... in my opinion. All else is religious and social dogma. I for one am not in favor of one night stands / promescuity.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Genx87
Even without religion sex out of wedlock is a gamble.

STDs or pregnancy.

Common sense to me would say if you want neither, dont have sex.

And if you don't want to be run over by a truck, don't leave your house.

Sex is one of life's greatest pleasures - perhaps THE greatest. I have been pretty promiscuous at times in my life, and have found something to enjoy in nearly all of my sexual partners. I am not inclined to deny myself this pleasure based on the risks involved - obviously others may disagree.

Which would be at least reasonable if people at least accepted the risks, but nope, they get aids and bill the government for their medication.

except some people got aids from blood transfusions. married women contract it because their bisexual or gay husbands are screwing around on them and give it to them. drug addicts get it from sharing needles. The government will be the only organization to cure aids, that should be a priority for them, except the government is lobbied by the pharma companies, who thrive on profits and would like nothing more than for aids to never be cured.

 

[Zontor]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Nothing as long as it is between caring, loving, responsible adults .... in my opinion. All else is religious and social dogma. I for one am not in favor of one night stands / promescuity.

I suspect most reponders here are male (surprise, surprise) -- if you're female and (possibly) have to carry a child - is the view different?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Genx87
Even without religion sex out of wedlock is a gamble.

STDs or pregnancy.

Common sense to me would say if you want neither, dont have sex.

And if you don't want to be run over by a truck, don't leave your house.

Sex is one of life's greatest pleasures - perhaps THE greatest. I have been pretty promiscuous at times in my life, and have found something to enjoy in nearly all of my sexual partners. I am not inclined to deny myself this pleasure based on the risks involved - obviously others may disagree.

Which would be at least reasonable if people at least accepted the risks, but nope, they get aids and bill the government for their medication.

:roll:

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Zontor

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Nothing as long as it is between caring, loving, responsible adults .... in my opinion. All else is religious and social dogma. I for one am not in favor of one night stands / promescuity.

I suspect most reponders here are male (surprise, surprise) -- if you're female and (possibly) have to carry a child - is the view different?

I doubt it, in our age of hopping on tables and getting your fetus scraped out. Its the man who's screwed when he doesnt want to become a parent but is forced to cough up 21 years of child support anyway.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Strk
I'm not running around saying you shouldn't have sex out of wedlock, but I think meaningless sex with random people is just that -- meaningless. As fun as it might be, the negatives are pretty, well, negative. STDs for the rest of your life, pregnancy with someone who has about all the traits you would never want your child to have etc. It's sad that people will have sex with other people before they can even remember his or her name, let alone ask him or her to get an STD test.

I feel sorry for you. My question to you is, are you aware that you have been scared into abstinence? I guess im like DonVito in the promiscuous sense. Sex is great, sex with someone you JUST met a few hours prior? Great! Sex with someone youre in love with? Great! Sex with no strings? Great! Sex with an Ex? Great! Sex with ... aww, to hell with it. How old are you anyway? My guess is <14. There is a reason they call it "protection" ya know?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: DonVito
And if you don't want to be run over by a truck, don't leave your house.

Sex is one of life's greatest pleasures - perhaps THE greatest. I have been pretty promiscuous at times in my life, and have found something to enjoy in nearly all of my sexual partners. I am not inclined to deny myself this pleasure based on the risks involved - obviously others may disagree.

Which would be at least reasonable if people at least accepted the risks, but nope, they get aids and bill the government for their medication.

except some people got aids from blood transfusions. married women contract it because their bisexual or gay husbands are screwing around on them and give it to them. drug addicts get it from sharing needles. The government will be the only organization to cure aids, that should be a priority for them, except the government is lobbied by the pharma companies, who thrive on profits and would like nothing more than for aids to never be cured.

Aids through blood transfusions is extremely rare nowadays, if not impossible. The government has much more pressing issues than curing a preventable disease.