Whats with the hype of the X1900's?

[TheRyuu]

I don't get it. Nvidia hasn't even released the G71 yet and people are starting threads saying "Should I get the X1900 or 7800Gt's in SLI" and all the other junk like that. When the real answer to the question should be WAIT. Wait a month or however long it takes nvidia to release the G71 and THEN make the decision.

WHAT IF (now I'm just saying, this doesn't have to be true), what if the G71 IS infact faster than the X1900, THEN people are going to start saying, "Should I sell my X1900 and get a G71?" and thus the cycle continues.

(thats my $0.02)

 

[Munky]

The cycle ALWAYS continues. What if after the release of the g71 there's rumors of a higher clocked r590, and people wait even longer. And then soon after that we're looking at r600/g80 right around the corner, so you could potentially postpone your upgrade indefinitely. If the g71 was scheduled for launch a week or 2 from now, I'd be willing to wait, but since it's at least another month away, maybe even 2 months, I would just buy whatever I need right now.

 

[sandorski]

Waiting is stupid. When the G71 comes out it'll likely have the crown for a few months, but why wait for it and not wait for ATI's shot back a few months later? Thus the cycle of indecisiveness continues.

If you want a top of the line card now, get the 1900. You want one a few months from now, get the G71 if it's faster. Want one 6 months from now, get X that's faster. It ain't Rocket Science.

edit: hehe, beaten by seconds

 

[RichUK]

That?s vid hardware for you, it never stands still. So you should always purchase as and when you need a new GFX card, and just settle with the GFX card that best suits your needs and expense at a given time.

There is no way in hell most people can keep up with the latest and greatest GFX card hardware these days, not unless you are proper loaded.

6 month?ish after G71, people are going to be raving about G80 and R600.

EDIT: lol ^^ above replies^^ pretty much the same comments.

 

[Lonyo]

I thought the G71 was 2 months away, not 1.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

I'm getting my ATI X1900 XTX tomorrow.

If in a couple months the G71 blows it off the map then I have no problem selling the X1900 XTX on ebay. I actually hope the G71 does because I really don't care for ATIs crappy CCC.

 

[Killrose]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
I thought the G71 was 2 months away, not 1.

And who knows, it could be delayed like ATi R520, R480 and NV 5800. The X1900 could be king for more than 3 months.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
I thought the G71 was 2 months away, not 1.

For all I know there may not even be a g71. Maybe Nv will instead try to go forward with the g80 sooner than we expected. But anyway, I was under the impression it's somewhere 1-2 months away, but most likely close to 2.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Killrose

Originally posted by: Lonyo
I thought the G71 was 2 months away, not 1.

And who knows, it could be delayed like ATi R520, R480 and NV 5800. The X1900 could be king for more than 3 months.

Could be, but don't count on it.

 

[Corporate Thug]

if i had to guess, I would say that ATi is gonna anticipating G71 with another card

just a hunch

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
if i had to guess, I would say that ATi is gonna anticipating G71 with another card

just a hunch

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20060124235047.html

That sort of goes without saying. I think it also goes without saying a 32 pipe 700MHz + 7900 sporting 1800MHz RAM will pretty much slaughter the 16 pipe X1900s at 99.99999% of the games on the market, but maybe not FEAR.

I wonder how many will wait 6 weeks to see? A lot of money to take the chance today.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
if i had to guess, I would say that ATi is gonna anticipating G71 with another card

just a hunch

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20060124235047.html

That sort of goes without saying. I think it also goes without saying a 32 pipe 700MHz + 7900 sporting 1800MHz RAM will pretty much slaughter the 16 pipe X1900s at 99.99999% of the games on the market, but maybe not FEAR.

I wonder how many will wait 6 weeks to see? A lot of money to take the chance today.

i would think the return on the x1900 should be pretty damn, even in 6 weeks. I'm personally going to wait but i must admit, i am a bit worried based on the GTX 512 "launch".

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
i would think the return on the x1900 should be pretty damn, even in 6 weeks. I'm personally going to wait but i must admit, i am a bit worried based on the GTX 512 "launch".

The people who want ATI no matter what will buy X1900XTs, and rightly so. It's the best product they've put out since the 9700Pro.

The people who want to have the best card should wait, because the X1900XTX will not be it, or even close. The games that are shader limited are FEAR and FEAR between......errr, Few and Far between and the 7900s massive fillrate advantage, coupled with a large bandwidth advantage, should destroy the X1900XTX in all current games not spelled F-E-A-R.

 

[the Chase]

That and for some odd reason Bf2. What we really need is a good ole' fashion PAPER LAUNCH of the G71- even if you can't buy one for 2 months! C'mon Nvidia-leak a little!!

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Rollo

The people who want ATI no matter what will buy X1900XTs, and rightly so. It's the best product they've put out since the 9700Pro.

The people who want to have the best card should wait, because the X1900XTX will not be it, or even close. The games that are shader limited are FEAR and FEAR between......errr, Few and Far between and the 7900s massive fillrate advantage, coupled with a large bandwidth advantage, should destroy the X1900XTX in all current games not spelled F-E-A-R.

You all should definately listen to this guy based on the great advice he gave you last time... 'wait for the 512MB GTX, it'll be competitive in price and widely available.' Lol.

The G71 is nothing but vapor at this point in time and given Nvidia's recent track record with high end parts, I wouldn't put too much blind faith in it. Leave that for the Nv fanboys.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
i would think the return on the x1900 should be pretty damn, even in 6 weeks. I'm personally going to wait but i must admit, i am a bit worried based on the GTX 512 "launch".

The people who want ATI no matter what will buy X1900XTs, and rightly so. It's the best product they've put out since the 9700Pro.

The people who want to have the best card should wait, because the X1900XTX will not be it, or even close. The games that are shader limited are FEAR and FEAR between......errr, Few and Far between and the 7900s massive fillrate advantage, coupled with a large bandwidth advantage, should destroy the X1900XTX in all current games not spelled F-E-A-R.

letsee . . . you also said people should wait for the 512-GTX . . . and we see how that turned out

PLUS that GeForce 7900 GTX with a possible core of 750MHz and [expensive] 1800MHz GDDR3 memory will no doubt also continue the tradition of nvidia super-UNaffordability . . . .

will it be worth [a possible] $750 and will it even be 'available' at MSRP?

these are things to ponder as you *wait* . . . weeks? . . . months?
:Q



if you NEED to upgrade, the 1900xt is a fine card that will play ALL current games at superfast speeds and at a reasonable price. . . if you can wait . . . that's fine too.

 

[TecHNooB]

If NVidia doesn't take a hint, and the 7900GTX ends up being way over-priced, then we can enjoy watching graphs for several months until G80 is out. Now wouldn't that be fun? I don't think NVidia is going to overprice them tho. The 7800GTX 512s was a very limited product with a lot of demand. Since they weren't planning on making more they would obviously jack up the price. We can't accuse NVidia of overpricing all their cards now. Its just like how ATI ran into trouble with RD580 and R520. Little engineering mishaps we have to expect. It's not ATIs goal to paper launch. NVidia should see that consumers are loving the ATI X1900XT with its current price and try to mimic that with the release of G71. Or at least have customers satisfied about the pricing. Of course, if the card's expensive to build then what can you do.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: munky
The cycle ALWAYS continues. What if after the release of the g71 there's rumors of a higher clocked r590, and people wait even longer. And then soon after that we're looking at r600/g80 right around the corner, so you could potentially postpone your upgrade indefinitely. If the g71 was scheduled for launch a week or 2 from now, I'd be willing to wait, but since it's at least another month away, maybe even 2 months, I would just buy whatever I need right now.

QFT.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
i would think the return on the x1900 should be pretty damn, even in 6 weeks. I'm personally going to wait but i must admit, i am a bit worried based on the GTX 512 "launch".

The people who want ATI no matter what will buy X1900XTs, and rightly so. It's the best product they've put out since the 9700Pro.

The people who want to have the best card should wait, because the X1900XTX will not be it, or even close. The games that are shader limited are FEAR and FEAR between......errr, Few and Far between and the 7900s massive fillrate advantage, coupled with a large bandwidth advantage, should destroy the X1900XTX in all current games not spelled F-E-A-R.

Well since most current games are very playable on the X1900XT, it doesn't matter a whole lot IMO.
Especially given that if the G71 is released in March, it will be the next generation of games that is important, not the current ones that any card can play.
I am speaking most obviously about Oblivion, which should be released on the 24th of March, right on the heels of the possible G71 launch, and Unreal Tournament 2007 which will be the next big game/engine release.
People buying should be buying, IMO, for those games, unless they plan on upgrading in 6 months, in which case might as well get an X1900XT NOW since you can get whatever comes after the G71 later on when you need that extra power, and it will beats the pants off the G71 too, so why wait the 6 or 7 weeks?
IMO.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
if i had to guess, I would say that ATi is gonna anticipating G71 with another card

just a hunch

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20060124235047.html

That sort of goes without saying. I think it also goes without saying a 32 pipe 700MHz + 7900 sporting 1800MHz RAM will pretty much slaughter the 16 pipe X1900s at 99.99999% of the games on the market, but maybe not FEAR.

I wonder how many will wait 6 weeks to see? A lot of money to take the chance today.

I dunno Rollo, nVidia might give us high clocked 32 pipe monster that is as "widely" available as the 512 GTX. If and when it shows up and proves to be a better card in mass quantity and fair price I'll just buy it as long as its significantly faster, has angle independent AF and possibly HDR + AA. Otherwise I'll wait it out for R600. After hearing how the 512 GTX would be widely available and competitively priced from many on this forum, I'd take rumors based on vapor hardware like G71 with a chunk of salt.

BTW some of you should read Eric Deimers (sp) interview at Beyond3D. It explains why ATi took the pixel shader route rather than slap on more texture units. From it you can infer that nVidia will likely be bandwidth limited if they actually produce a 32 pipe card in mass quanitity like rumored. Hope nVidia doesn't give us another 512 GTX press edition.

 

[imported_RedStar]

heh..don't wait and get whatever rules right now..is that it?

Are the people who went out and bought the 1800XT a few weeks ago agreeing with that?



For me, i just hope this crashes the 7800gt into the 300$ cdn range
(although those pixel shaders on the 1900 series seem to address the trend in future gaming for the next year)

 

[Zenoth]

I like the X1900, but I have no reasons to upgrade now.

I won't just do it because I can afford it, nor because it's new, or "a bit" better.

Actually I'm not sure if ATi needed to release such a product. Even after the X1800 fiasco. They should have just canceled the whole X1800 series and architecture in silence, and release the X1900 family between last December and this very month.

Personally I'll be waiting for R600 anyway.

I am curious enough to see how nVidia will do with G71. But even if it's technically better than R580, I'd have no reasons to buy it, since I get 30% price reduction for any ATi products I buy from my local store, since I have a contact working there. So, going with ATi is simply more affordable for me.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Well since most current games are very playable on the X1900XT, it doesn't matter a whole lot IMO.
Especially given that if the G71 is released in March, it will be the next generation of games that is important, not the current ones that any card can play.
I am speaking most obviously about Oblivion, which should be released on the 24th of March, right on the heels of the possible G71 launch, and Unreal Tournament 2007 which will be the next big game/engine release.
People buying should be buying, IMO, for those games, unless they plan on upgrading in 6 months, in which case might as well get an X1900XT NOW since you can get whatever comes after the G71 later on when you need that extra power, and it will beats the pants off the G71 too, so why wait the 6 or 7 weeks?
IMO.

Sweeney developed the Unreal 3 engine on nVidia products and told us all at the G70 launch SLI will be the way to run it.

He might have meant to say "X1900 will be the way to go", but I don't think so. I think we can expect nvidia parts to run Unreal 3 engine games pretty well.

 

[Tom]

I don't understand waiting either, other than for two reasons..

A. cost

B. you can't get a card that will do what you want.


For these reasons, lots of people have already bought nice Nvidia cards, and for awhile some people will buy ATI cards.


Only people who want to have the very best are going to buy each new hot card, and if anyone is in that category, waiting isn't an option. They have to buy the best, or live with the knowledge they don't have it.

 

[TheRyuu]

I'm not saying TOO wait, I'm just saying (no pun intended) wait till the X1900 has a REAL competitor. Everyone keeps comparing it to the 512GTX, and is saying NOTHING about the G71 (not that anyone knows anything about it though).