Whats with the all the commies here?

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Considering both the presidential canidates are the equevelant of voting for Beavis and Butthead... Im open for other alternitives..

:thumbsup:

Then move to China.

Bite me asshat Im not communist

I was being sarcastic moron..

but Kerry and Bush are about as smart as beavis and butthead... and Im not voting for either one.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Considering both the presidential canidates are the equevelant of voting for Beavis and Butthead... Im open for other alternitives..

:thumbsup:

Then move to China.

Bite me asshat Im not communist

I was being sarcastic moron..

but Kerry and Bush are about as smart as beavis and butthead... and Im not voting for either one.

haha thats funny........if you dont like the presedential candidates you are communist and should leave the country.......bahahahahaha.....what an idiot

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cerb
Q]I don't support all of them, but unless they get a majority, that means little. The biggest boon getting several into offices could have would be to start trimming the scope of many agencies and laws. The full effect of the LP's goals would devolve into anarchy. However, getting most of the way there would be a good thing.

I think you are mistaken. The Libertarian ideal is far from anarchy. Was the US in a state of anarchy in it's first 100 years?

No, but it partly that level of freedom that led to the Civil War. With all the corporations and people with blinders on today, it won't work. I'm not saying it couldn't in 50 years (I desperately hope it can, as I'd like to see things get better before I croak!), and I think change needs to be done, but the way things are now, we would be in economic turmoil (I think it would be deserved, mind you, because of the corporate control allowed by the government). I'd welcome it--but the vast majority would rather be safe and sound, with a good Christian leader, rather than leaders who actually cared about the people for more than their future votes.

Realistically, it wouldn't work, however good it would be. You'd be taking people away from their safety nets. Moving the nation towards liberal ideals (look up liberal in a dictionary, for those of you who think mainstream Democrats are at all liberal) all but necessitates that those people with voting power become individualistic. That each person take full control of his or her life, with only enough strings attached to protect his neighbor from basic rights violations.

Well, nothing is possible overnight, so worrying about such a sudeden change is rather moot here.

Yes. Unfortunately, religion has a real hold on people. I'm against any and all religion, as it is taught to people to more or less give them answers and purpose without question, and hence, control them. Whether or not that is the intent, it can be seen all through history. I doubt there will be too much change until such shackles start being torn off.

I have talked to too many people who support one candidate or another because of being a good Christian, and/or who's opinion on issues is strictly related to his/her religion's laws, ragardless of the idea that those laws should not be the laws of the land. Such thinking, excluding all who do not think like you, must be changed before other meaningful change can be made.

If people can begin looking at their government, and the nation as a whole, not as a place in need of their personal savior (regardless of whether it is or not!), but as a place in need of personal freedom and , and protection, then maybe we'll start getting there. The obvious trend thus far has been against freedom, and for security.

I'm in the buckle of the Bible Belt, BTW, so note that I have very strong opinions on this, due to constant exposure.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Considering both the presidential canidates are the equevelant of voting for Beavis and Butthead... Im open for other alternitives..

:thumbsup:

Then move to China.

Bite me asshat Im not communist

I was being sarcastic moron..

but Kerry and Bush are about as smart as beavis and butthead... and Im not voting for either one.

haha thats funny........if you dont like the presedential candidates you are communist and should leave the country.......bahahahahaha.....what an idiot

WTF are you smoking? From where i am sitting there isn't much to vote for this year

Ausm

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: bradruth
I wonder if there will ever be a time when people stop confusing communism with authoritarian socialism.

They wont because any attempt at communism will quickly become authoritarian.

Why? Because there will always be a signifigant percentage of the people of any country who will be opposed to giving up their individuality and economic freedom. To control this, and the natural human urge to do better, the government will have to become wildly oppressive.

Communism is an abject failure because it goes against the most basic aspects of human nature. Humans are not, and cannot become mindless worker bees.

whoever said "winner" to a previous post needs to rescind it and give the "winner" award to this post. And the posters supporting communism really need to think beyond what some college professor taught you.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: gigapet
democracy doesnt work either when corporations have more pull than the people.

so what other options are there.....corruption has found its way into every form of government.

Which is why the US was founded as a Constitutional Republic with a democratically elected government.

The government was supposed to have strictly limited power. Thus seriously limiting how corruptible it would be. You see, the more the government regulates business, the more business will try to manipulate government in an effort to ensure the regulations are not so strict that they harm business.

The more the government treats business as seperate and quite unequal from individuals, the more it will be corrupted.

And it's not only business that has corrupted. Socialism has done the same. Ever since socialism was introduced to the US with The New Deal, citizens have found they can band together into powerful organizations to lobby the government for more social programs. These groups have every bit as much influence as the businesses.

Amused, you are truly a great thinker. Your prose on government and society's reactions towards it truly bring a tear to my eye (absolutely no sarcasm implied). If more people thought like this, the world would be a much better place to live. And if college professors and the media taught this, instead of their hair-brained, outdated ideas, then this country would know no bounds of greatness. Thank you for your insight.

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: brigden
Funny how brainwashed you Americans are with regards to Communism. I don't think the system works in reality, but you guys think it's like the Nazi party or something.

It's all part of the new revisionist history the right-wingers are pushing on us. Communism and Islam are now presented as the ultimate evils, wheras the Nazis were actually cuddly pink teddy bears, cruelly maligned by the liberal media.

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
i have started to see links to the communist party USA website in peoples sigs recently..... what gives?

Didn't you know being a Communist is the cool thing to do at school? Pssht, shows what you know!:roll:

don't forget all the brownie points it earns you with college profs!

 

[ArmchairAthlete]

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: brigden
Funny how brainwashed you Americans are with regards to Communism. I don't think the system works in reality, but you guys think it's like the Nazi party or something.

It's all part of the new revisionist history the right-wingers are pushing on us. Communism and Islam are now presented as the ultimate evils, wheras the Nazis were actually cuddly pink teddy bears, cruelly maligned by the liberal media.

You're kidding, right? I graduated back in May and Nazis were portrayed as nothing but bad. Never did anybody try to give them the "benefit of the doubt" or some crap.

EDIT: And this was a mostly rural/conservative high school.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: brigden
Funny how brainwashed you Americans are with regards to Communism. I don't think the system works in reality, but you guys think it's like the Nazi party or something.

It's all part of the new revisionist history the right-wingers are pushing on us. Communism and Islam are now presented as the ultimate evils, wheras the Nazis were actually cuddly pink teddy bears, cruelly maligned by the liberal media.

Um, how's the weather on your planet?

Please point out ANY positive spin on Nazism by ANY mainstream conservative or right-wing group or party.

Nazism is just as bad as communism. But communism has been far more desructive because it was allowed to spread much further and for far longer. Mao, Pot and Stalin's body counts are a multitude higher than Hitler's.

And no one has presented Islam as "evil." Only fanatical Islam that supports terrorism and oppresses people.

Wanna talk about revisionist history? Let's talk about the anti-gun and the "Christian nation" movements. There is plenty of history revisionism coming from both sides, but the subject and history of Nazism is NOT one of them.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: gigapet
democracy doesnt work either when corporations have more pull than the people.

so what other options are there.....corruption has found its way into every form of government.

Which is why the US was founded as a Constitutional Republic with a democratically elected government.

The government was supposed to have strictly limited power. Thus seriously limiting how corruptible it would be. You see, the more the government regulates business, the more business will try to manipulate government in an effort to ensure the regulations are not so strict that they harm business.

The more the government treats business as seperate and quite unequal from individuals, the more it will be corrupted.

And it's not only business that has corrupted. Socialism has done the same. Ever since socialism was introduced to the US with The New Deal, citizens have found they can band together into powerful organizations to lobby the government for more social programs. These groups have every bit as much influence as the businesses.

Amused, you are truly a great thinker. Your prose on government and society's reactions towards it truly bring a tear to my eye (absolutely no sarcasm implied). If more people thought like this, the world would be a much better place to live. And if college professors and the media taught this, instead of their hair-brained, outdated ideas, then this country would know no bounds of greatness. Thank you for your insight.

:Q

Wow, thanks!

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: CPA
whoever said "winner" to a previous post needs to rescind it and give the "winner" award to this post. And the posters supporting communism really need to think beyond what some college professor taught you.

I believe it was Amused that I had a discussion about communism with in another thread. It turned out we were in full agreement. I was just pointing out that communism is a theory, and has never been succesfully adapted--because it can't be.

 

[rdgr8]