What's up with this OGG standard? Is it better than WMA or MP3??

[NFS4]

I've never even heard of this until recently. What is it and how is it good?

 

[StageLeft]

It's funny. Everyonce in a while a new "better than MP3" format comes out and dies

 

[Anubis]

apperently its better then MP3 but i dont use it. and dont know many who do

 

[zCypher]

It's been around for quite a while. Supposed to be better, yes. Widespread? No, not yet. Came around and died out? Nope...

I do have the plugin or whatever it was for it, so I can play OGG files if I ever need to. You can't make OGG CDs with nero though, so it's still not quite so good.

 

[thawolfman]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's funny. Everyonce in a while a new "better than MP3" format comes out and dies

hehe VQF anyone?

 

[BD2003]

Last I heard it wasnt really "better". Just open source.

 

[clicknext]

Thing about it is that MP3 has established itself as the standard, accepted and used by everyone. Someone can distribute an MP3 and everyone will be able to play it. The same certainly cannot be said about OGG. It's even harder to get something to be popular than to make something good.

 

[Chadder007]

The MP3 will NEVA DIE

 

[Mallow]

buch came out at one point by microsoft and some other companies with copy right protection so they never caught on. It would be hard for anything to dethrone mp3z in accessibility.

 

[JayPatel]

ogg vorbis is used in games nowadays too, serious sam 1 and 2 used the ogg format

 

[manly]

The most notable thing about OGG is that it's a patent-free, royalty-free, open technology. No onerous licensing, no DRM.

For example, it's used in Unreal Tournament 2K3 for the sound engine.

 

[KokomoGST]

Also, people have been using it in videos especially for those tight squeezes onto a single CD.
There's less overhead than VBR MP3. But like others have said, MP3 is way more popular and more supported. But Ogg is just as good... it's variable bitrate by default? I personally don't use it for more than video editing and creation.

 

[Maleficus]

Its a fine format i think, i cant hear the difference between it and mp3 tho.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

You only heard of OGG now, NFS4? :Q Figured you'd have heard of it.

It's been hanging around for quite awhile now in the open-source community. Lovely codec. Too bad more people don't know "What the hell's this egg file?" "Shut up and add it to the Winamp playlist, ya monkey."

Yes, it's used in games a fair bit for the aforementioned reasons (low-overhead VBR, excellent compression and size/quality ratio) including Serious Sam and UT2003.

- M4H

 

[pulse8]

mp3 is the VHS of computer audio.

 

[coolVariable]

And VHS wasn't the best either (Beta Max was far superior, but only Sony supported it and wanted it all for themselves so it did not succeed)

 

[Supermercado]

Ogg is open-source, like has been said. I believe that the encoding algorithm is slightly better than that of mp3 and the file sizes are smaller for equivalent-quality mp3s. My friend has a really good ear and he uses only --aps vbr mp3s or oggs, and sometimes mpcs. He's been ripping CDs in Ogg lately, though, I think.

 

[slycat]

OGG=Maui airport at Kahului

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: coolVariable
And VHS wasn't the best either (Beta Max was far superior, but only Sony supported it and wanted it all for themselves so it did not succeed)

Which is exactly my point. Thank you for pointing it out to the rest of the forum.

 

[brtspears2]

The day I say OGG becomes a popular format is when .. nah, it'll never happen.

 

[ElFenix]

in theory its supposed to be a little bit better.

monkey's audio > all

 

[Akki]

Ogg is open, and supports a lot more advanced stuff than wma/mp3 such as multi-channel audio. It'd be nice if everyone used ogg, but it's not going to happen.

You can't compare Monkey's Audio to ogg/mp3/whatever... lossless vs lossy, apples and oranges

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Akki

You can't compare Monkey's Audio to ogg/mp3/whatever... lossless vs lossy, apples and oranges

i think i just did

 

[Zugzwang152]

Originally posted by: slycat
OGG=Maui airport at Kahului

 

[BurnItDwn]

ogg ... from my understanding ... the sound quality per MB of data is better due to more optimized compression. Of course 5 years ago VQF was better (MB/MB it did sound better, however it took 12 hours to encode a CD on a celeron 300@450 ... while the l3enc beta i had at that time would encode in only a few hours) and of course VQF is so popular today ... (bad sarcasm, sorry)