What's up with the FAA?

[pcgeek11]

They formed a new union with the power to go on strike and the government busted that union. Its still union busting by definition. If the government didn't allow any unions whatsoever to ever go on strike we would still call them unions. You can call them "illegal" unions or whatever, but there is no other word for what they are.

Nobody said they were an illegal union. Don't read very well do you?

It is and has been illegal since 1955 for them to go on strike. They can be union all they want, it is still illegal for them to strike. This law was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1971. They made it illegal due to the unfair leverage it would give the union as it could cripple trade, transportation and the economy.

Firing them for an illegal act ( Going on strike ) is what they did and should have done. No matter how you want to twist this into some lie you have in your head.

They have a union even today: http://www.natca.org/

 

[wuliheron]

Nobody said they were an illegal union. Don't read very well do you?

It is and has been illegal since 1955 for them to go on strike. They can be union all they want, it is still illegal for them to strike. This law was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1971. They made it illegal due to the unfair leverage it would give the union as it could cripple trade, transportation and the economy.

Firing them for an illegal act ( Going on strike ) is what they did and should have done. No matter how you want to twist this into some lie you have in your head.

They have a union even today: http://www.natca.org/

It doesn't matter if they still have a union and it doesn't matter what the supreme court says. What matters is the government took steps to suppress a union and that is by definition union busting. You can claim they weren't a legal union and that striking was illegal, you can claim they were just being greedy, you claim the government merely fired them for violating the law. It is still called union busting by definition!

The government could make all unions illegal tomorrow and we would still need a name for unions and name for union busting. Hell, the government could declare "humans" illegal tomorrow and we would still need a name for humans and such things a exploitation, etc.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The steps were not to suppress the union. The union broke the law and was punished.

The law was in effect for public safety.

If a person breaks the law the get punished. Why should a class of people be exempt; they were given plenty of advance warning that to strike would doom them. They felt that they had the power to cripple the country. Their bluff was called and they lost.

 

[piasabird]

Maybe they need to work different kinds of shifts at night or they should require 2 people on shift at night to keep each other awake. Could also work 2 part-time 4 hour shifts late at night. Hire a security guard to just stand around all night and keep an eye on things. He can kick the guy when he falls asleep.

These towers must be in places where nothing happens for long periods of time if they are falling asleep. You would think that they would have alarms go off when there is chatter or when planes are in range! This is probably a case where some technology would be helpful. The FAA is probably still running on 1950's technology.

 

[sunzt]

The FAA is probably still running on 1950's technology.

Not 1950's... but not that far from it.

They don't worry about hackers in their system because their code is so old that no one would be able to hack it! Some of their code is still run on assembly.

 

[wuliheron]

The steps were not to suppress the union. The union broke the law and was punished.

The law was in effect for public safety.

If a person breaks the law the get punished. Why should a class of people be exempt; they were given plenty of advance warning that to strike would doom them. They felt that they had the power to cripple the country. Their bluff was called and they lost.

Suppress
verb (used with object)
1. to put an end to the activities of (a person, body of persons, etc.): to suppress the Communist party.

Union busting is a wide range of activities undertaken by employers, their proxies, and governments, which attempt to prevent the formation or expansion of trade unions.

Whether the government was justified or not, whether it was in the best interest of the country or not, what the president's motivations might have been, etc. ARE ALL IRRELEVANT! By definition the president prevented the expansion of the union and was practicing union busting. It isn't a derogatory term unless you choose to see it as derogatory term.

 

[pcgeek11]

Whether the government was justified or not, whether it was in the best interest of the country or not, what the president's motivations might have been, etc. ARE ALL IRRELEVANT! By definition the president prevented the expansion of the union and was practicing union busting. It isn't a derogatory term unless you choose to see it as derogatory term.

Every statement you have made in this thread is retarded.

 

[wuliheron]

Every statement you have made in this thread is retarded.

That's a winning argument. Did your mama teach you that one?

 

[pcgeek11]

That's a winning argument. Did your mama teach you that one?

I wasn't making an argument. I was stating a fact. Big difference.

Oh yeah. Everything that you said about the ATC Union Strike was incorrect. Another fact.

 

[wuliheron]

I wasn't making an argument. I was stating a fact. Big difference.

Oh yeah. Everything that you said about the ATC Union Strike was incorrect. Another fact.

If playground insults and unsubstantiated claims to knowing the truth are the best you can do I'd suggest running for political office with the Tea Party. They need all the help they can get and aren't picky.

 

[boomerang]

Whether the government was justified or not, whether it was in the best interest of the country or not, what the president's motivations might have been, etc. ARE ALL IRRELEVANT! By definition the president prevented the expansion of the union and was practicing union busting. It isn't a derogatory term unless you choose to see it as derogatory term.

How about you start a new thread where you can beat this dead horse? One can't talk about a single fucking thing around here without dipsticks like yourself dragging up ancient history and demonizing it in attempts to make a statement about some perceived injustice that's not germane to the topic. Yes, we get it - you've got to be right. Yes, we get it - you think you're one sharp SOB because you've drawn what you think is a corollary between RR and ATC's of today. It's a stretch. Put it to bed.

 

[wuliheron]

How about you start a new thread where you can beat this dead horse? One can't talk about a single fucking thing around here without dipsticks like yourself dragging up ancient history and demonizing it in attempts to make a statement about some perceived injustice that's not germane to the topic. Yes, we get it - you've got to be right. Yes, we get it - you think you're one sharp SOB because you've drawn what you think is a corollary between RR and ATC's of today. It's a stretch. Put it to bed.

Was I talking to you? I think not. How about you learn to stay out of other peoples' conversations and learn to mind your own business. What is it with all these childish responses anyway? Ooooh, let's get self-righteous about other people being self-righteous! Gimmie a break.

 

[dawp]

wasn't one the the issues back in '81 the rotating shifts?

 

[ichy]

I also have zero problems with them taking power naps during shift, even a 15 minute one would do wonders and the science supports this and was recommended (and quickly rejected by the FAA).

FAA administrators are idiots.

Air traffic controllers won’t be allowed to schedule naps into their work shifts to mitigate fatigue, even though their union floated that option.

“We don’t pay people to sleep at work at the FAA,” the agency’s top administrator, Randy Babbitt, told Atlanta controllers Monday, echoing words Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood used earlier in the day. “I don’t know anybody that pays people to sleep at work.”

Nevermind the fact that other countries allow their controllers to take naps and that policy works quite well for them

 

[ichy]

You know, that's another crazy ass situation I've never understood. What's the benefit to that???

William Halsted, the man behind modern American physician residency training, was a cocaine addict.

Also, back when physicians began training in residencies overnight call allowed them to rest much more because there were far fewer drugs, procedures, interventions, etc and hospitalized patients weren't as sick. The overnight call system remained the same, but medicine got more complex and patients got sicker so it became harder and harder for residents who're on call to get any meaningful rest.

 

[wuliheron]

FAA administrators are idiots.

Nevermind the fact that other countries allow their controllers to take naps and that policy works quite well for them

And who hired the idiots? Who allows them to keep up this nonsense? The same assholes who won't let them go on strike.

 

[Eos]

I think split shifts would be 6am-10am, then 2pm-6pm on the same day.

Rotating shifts would be two weeks of days, two weeks of swing, then two weeks of graveyard.

Weyerhauser paper mills crewmen I knew did this, but on a 4 on, 4 off schedule. They unanimously loved it.