What's the the point of the 768MB 460GTX?

[cusideabelincoln]

You are completely transparent and not clever in any way. Go ahead and conveniently ignore the real point of my post.

But yes, superior is a better term than "knocks around" despite what kind of silly connotations you may think the word has (edit: I bet myself a dollar you don't understand what I'm implying here). That doesn't change the fact you actually used a juvenile phrase with juvenile intents. Even now you can only resort to parroting other people's words. And you won't hesitate to take anything out of context, which is quite frankly worthless. Nothing matters without context.

 

[Sheninat0r]

It is worth it from 192 to 256... pay the 30 more.

I have yet to see any game utilize over 512MB of RAM. Except for Crysis on high detail possibly, needing 768mb or 1GB. Its a over kill. Some people get 2GB graphic cards,, now that is pointless... but to each their pown. 🙂 gg and gb

I take it you've never seen GTA4 on PC. As terrible a port as it is, you can't play it without a ridiculous amount of VRAM; supposedly, maximum settings are greyed out in options if you have less than a certain amount of VRAM for your resolution.

Do you ever stop spouting non-sense and baiting with troll posts?

HD 5830 = GTX 460 768mb

One is faster than the other on a game by game basis - most of the time they give virtually identical performance. They are in the same performance class and will give the user the same gameplay experience, with exceptions being, as I reiterate, on a game by game and hell even setting-by-setting basis.

http://www.techspot.com/review/299-palit-inno3d-geforce-gtx-460/page6.html

There is no "smacking around" as you put it. This term, along with others such as "beat up", "ass kicks", and whatever other arbitrary phrases, are no where near adequate descriptors for proper video card analysis. Whoever uses such terms (I don't care what side you take) in a serious manner should have their legitimacy card (unofficially/officially?) removed and destroyed, as whatever they say is garbage and is solely intended to invoke negative emotional responses - aka trolling.

You are completely transparent and not clever in any way. Go ahead and conveniently ignore the real point of my post.

But yes, superior is a better term than "knocks around" despite what kind of silly connotations you may think the word has (edit: I bet myself a dollar you don't understand what I'm implying here). That doesn't change the fact you actually used a juvenile phrase with juvenile intents. Even now you can only resort to parroting other people's words. And you won't hesitate to take anything out of context, which is quite frankly worthless. Nothing matters without context.

Relax with the attacks, it makes you look bad. It doesn't matter how much you hate Wreckage, at least treat him like a person and argue like a man.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Relax with the attacks, it makes you look bad. It doesn't matter how much you hate Wreckage, at least treat him like a person and argue like a man.

I countered his so-called "argument". He habitually takes statements and scores out of context and put them in his own [context]. Context matters a hell of a lot. Context is what shapes a decision. For example, that decision could be whether or not to buy the [insert random video card]. That decision has to live within the context created by the environment in which it's competing. So that card's price and the competition's price have to be taken into consideration, along with a host of other variables. This is context.

He does not argue; he creates some alternate reality to fit out-of-context scenarios into his own. What I said was not an attack, either. Re-read it; obviously you missed some of the message as well. It's what I see when he posts, and I'm calling him out on it. He hides behind equivocations, and he's doing it on purpose. But I am not to be fooled. I can see the differences amongst posters.

 

[Sheninat0r]

Do you ever stop spouting non-sense and baiting with troll posts?

Whoever uses such terms (I don't care what side you take) in a serious manner should have their legitimacy card (unofficially/officially?) removed and destroyed, as whatever they say is garbage and is solely intended to invoke negative emotional responses - aka trolling.

Not attacks? Sure, you phrased the second part very generally, but they're directed at him, and that's very obvious.

You are completely transparent and not clever in any way.

Not an attack...?

(edit: I bet myself a dollar you don't understand what I'm implying here). That doesn't change the fact you actually used a juvenile phrase with juvenile intents. Even now you can only resort to parroting other people's words. And you won't hesitate to take anything out of context, which is quite frankly worthless.

You imply his intelligence is beneath yours, then you call him "juvenile". Not attacks, definitely.

But I am not to be fooled. I can see the differences amongst posters.

And since I'm calling you out for being confrontational and disrespectful, what posting characteristics do you see in me? I will reiterate: even if you think Wreckage is an epic troll, debate with him like you would debate with anyone else who disagrees with your opinions. If your arguments are stronger than his points, then there's absolutely no need for name-calling and being so agitated.

I've very selectively quoted your posts, but I do recognize that you responded to his points quite well - the context of a buying decision is all-important (of course, the context of your posts is important too). Still, the tone of your posts doesn't make your reasoning look very well-reasoned, you know?

 

[cusideabelincoln]

I don't really want to drag this on... but

Not attacks? Sure, you phrased the second part very generally, but they're directed at him, and that's very obvious.

I phrased the second part because I see more people than him do it in other threads lately. And it's been getting worse. It's coming from both sides.

Not an attack...?

No, I don't think it is at all. The purpose was to let him know his intentions are clear despite the veil he uses. The "clever" is really in reference to his posting style, as I'm confident he is indeed causing an uproar on purpose.

You imply his intelligence is beneath yours, then you call him "juvenile". Not attacks, definitely.

While it may have come off that way, and I could have worded it better, that's not the intent of my edit. I could have been clearer, so here we go: It was meant to point out I know how he is going to use and interpret the term "superior", but that the way he thinks of it is most likely erroneous. Yet that isn't going to stop him from using it as a weapon, even if it really is just a toy gun. So I have no doubts he will be using the term "superior" just to spite [me?].

And I don't call him juvenile. I think his intentions are juvenile, and I think most people think this way of trolls. He presents himself as such at almost every opportunity. What he is doing is trollish. Trollish is juvenile. Maybe you consider this an indirect attack (it probably is), but I'm simply pointing it out and it is not encouraged on any legitimate forum.

And since I'm calling you out for being confrontational and disrespectful, what posting characteristics do you see in me? I will reiterate: even if you think Wreckage is an epic troll, debate with him like you would debate with anyone else who disagrees with your opinions. If your arguments are stronger than his points, then there's absolutely no need for name-calling and being so agitated.

I've very selectively quoted your posts, but I do recognize that you responded to his points quite well - the context of a buying decision is all-important (of course, the context of your posts is important too). Still, the tone of your posts doesn't make your reasoning look very well-reasoned, you know?

Well, I didn't call him any names 😉

You may perceive severe agitation, but I see it as being stern and blunt. I see him do it all the time. I'm calling him out now, but that won't always be the case. I'm not going to follow him around like some other members.

Also I chose the tone deliberately. I'm not completely sure why you're singling me out - my best guess is just convenience. Quite frankly I wanted to express my opinion on trolling, hyperbole, and equivocations through all of this.

I understand your point, and it has been taken. I doubt what I said would change anything; I just felt the strong need to say it for once.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

The point for me when I picked one up for a second rig was for watching blu ray and playing pc games.

 

[Modular]

Even better question: what's the point of the GTX465?

 

[jvroig]

Before, its point was "cheaper than the 470, at a lesser performance of course". Also, a way to harvest chips.

Since the release of the 460, it has become obsolete, a soon-to-be-phased-out SKU, so it naturally doesn't really have much of a point at all.

 

[edplayer]

I bought one because it was cheap. After discounts and selling the two JC2 coupons that came with it, total was $121.

 

[3DVagabond]

Even better question: what's the point of the GTX465?

I thought the GTX-465 was a board partner invention. AFAIK there isn't an nVidia "reference model". It was done because they needed a cheaper price point and were trying to not cut the price of the GTX-470. Which, looking at the current GTX-470 prices, it failed.

Sorry, I don't have a link to reference to. If someone knows this is incorrect, feel free to correct me. (not that it wouldn't happen anyway 😉)

 

[yepp]

768MB is also useful for those still running a 32bit OS who does not want to sacrifice too much system RAM.

I take it you've never seen GTA4 on PC. As terrible a port as it is, you can't play it without a ridiculous amount of VRAM; supposedly, maximum settings are greyed out in options if you have less than a certain amount of VRAM for your resolution.

You can bypass the VRAM limit, going over the VRAM limit didn't kill the performance of my 9800GTX+ 512MB. Though certain settings such as shadows etc... does bring my system down, thats more to do with it being a shoddy port like you mentioned.

 

[Skurge]

I thought the GTX-465 was a board partner invention. AFAIK there isn't an nVidia "reference model". It was done because they needed a cheaper price point and were trying to not cut the price of the GTX-470. Which, looking at the current GTX-470 prices, it failed.

Sorry, I don't have a link to reference to. If someone knows this is incorrect, feel free to correct me. (not that it wouldn't happen anyway 😉)

Like the HD5830?

 

[3DVagabond]

Like the HD5830?

Hmmm... I could possibly be confusing the two. 😉

 

[evolucion8]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-the-200-king/19



How about "superior" is that better than knocks around?

The GTX 460 768 definitively is faster than the HD 5830, but the GTX 460 1GB is behind of the HD 5850 1GB, hence, cheaper. 😉

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3868/quick-look-powercolors-radeon-hd-5770-pcs-vortex-edition/2

Newer drivers and newest review, :biggrin:

Now, lets bring the Cat 10.8

 

[frostedflakes]

768MB actually offers slightly better bang for the buck. As you'd expect, though, the benefits diminish as you start increasing resolution and AA/AF. And if you plan to OC, the 1GB version should also benefit more than the 768MB would.

 

[Wreckage]

The GTX 460 768 definitively is faster than the HD 5830, but the GTX 460 1GB is behind of the HD 5850 1GB, hence, cheaper. 😉

The 5850 is behind the 470 but not cheaper. So your reasoning is flawed. :\

 

[Rifter]

The 5850 is behind the 470 but not cheaper. So your reasoning is flawed. :\

I honestly cant believe i agree with Wreckage, whats the world coming to. Anyways he is dead on with this post, the 5850 should be priced in the middle of the 460 1GB and the 470 because that's where it performs. I think everyone should agree the 5850 could use a $30 or so price drop and then would be right in the right price/performance range to be competitive in the current market. ATI probably just doesnt care though because the 6000 series is coming out soon.

 

[evolucion8]

The 5850 is behind the 470 but not cheaper. So your reasoning is flawed. :\

Well, that's not my reasoning. I'm not the one thinking that the HD 5850 should go down to $200 price point to be competitive, because if that's being the case, the more expensive GTX 460 1GB would be more expensive and slower, that is more than flawed reasoning, is a stupid and ridiculous statement.

Its not my fault of the current HD 5850 prices. I actually agree with you, the GTX 470 is the better buy compared to the HD 5850 current price. Like the HD 5870 being faster and more expensive, and the GTX 480 and the fastest single card the HD 5970 and so on, but I also think that the HD 5870 should have a price reduction. 😉

 

[bryanW1995]

I honestly cant believe i agree with Wreckage, whats the world coming to. Anyways he is dead on with this post, the 5850 should be priced in the middle of the 460 1GB and the 470 because that's where it performs. I think everyone should agree the 5850 could use a $30 or so price drop and then would be right in the right price/performance range to be competitive in the current market. ATI probably just doesnt care though because the 6000 series is coming out soon.

actually, the 5850 should be priced where supply most closely aligns with demand to maximize amd's profits. in most video card situations, especially high end cards, power/heat/noise are secondary or even tertiary concerns. unfortunately for nvidia, the fermi cards are perceived in such a negative light in these anciallary categories that they must sell the 470 at a discount over a slightly slower 5850. how much that discount is depends upon how quickly they can mow through their 470 stock. nvidia also hasn't done themselves any favors vis a vis 470 sales by pricing the gtx 460 so aggressively, though I think it was definitely the right move for them as a company.

 

[ronnn]

Its cheaper to make, sells for less and nvidia must be making a profit. Not sure why anyone would mind. The advantage of any 460 is price, power use and heat, not raw fps.

 

[Edrick]

I bought the 768mb card for the following reasons:

1. It was $40 cheaper (got it on sale).
2. It runs a little cooler.
3. It was shorter and fit better in my case without moving HDDs.
4. It overclocks just as good as the 1Gb version.
5. It runs F@H and S@H just as good (not memory intensive).
6. I do not play any games that require 1Gb.
7. I plan on upgrading to a really nice card for my 2011 system next year.

So I guess the 768mb card does serve a purpose.

 

[evolucion8]

I bought the 768mb card for the following reasons:

1. It was $40 cheaper (got it on sale).
2. It runs a little cooler.
3. It was shorter and fit better in my case without moving HDDs.
4. It overclocks just as good as the 1Gb version.
5. It runs F@H and S@H just as good (not memory intensive).
6. I do not play any games that require 1Gb.
7. I plan on upgrading to a really nice card for my 2011 system next year.

So I guess the 768mb card does serve a purpose.

Well, it also suits you depending of your game's resolution. Which one is it by the way?

 

[lsv]

Try running Crysis at 2560x1600 with only 768MB of RAM.

If you have the money for a 2560x1600 monitor you're not spending a measly $200 on a vid card 😉

Just saying, but good point bro.

 

[edplayer]

For a measly $30 you get 8 more ROPS more GDDR and a faster memory bus (256 vs 192).

To me the GTX460 1GB is a no-brainer.

Do you own a GTX 460 768MB or 1GB card? Not that you have to, but if you don't I think you would have at least looked at benchmarks.

Looking them over it seems like the 1GB can't average 15% more or better (which is how much more it cost using msrp).


Looks like you just fell for the marketing (bigger is better).