What's the sound of a hard drive dying?

Felecha

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I suppose it can make more than one sound, but here's what's happening.

Custom built rig, 4 and a half years ago at a local shop. ABIT KT7RAID, Athlon 900 TBird, 768 RAM, 2 IBM DeskStar 75GXP 30GB harddrives. I thought I would do RAID stuff and dual boots and in the end I've just used the2nd drive for backup - files and ghost images.

Today I did a ghost of the C drive to the 2nd drive, and afterward copied it to DVD. After I finished the DVD, and ejected the disk, there was an odd sound - sounds are so hard to describe, of course - each repetition of the sound takes a little over a second, a whir-clunk-beep routine. Clunk makes it sound heavier than it really is, sounds like something engaging and failing and beeping to say it failed.

So I turned it off after a minute or two. Thought it might be the DVD drive, whose drawer just opened and shut after the copy.

At boot it was able to get past the black XP splash screen before the sound started and then the boot would go no further. When I restarted with the reset button, it started chunk-beeping right away and would not even get to Windows. So I feared the C drive was the goner.

Then I pulled the power cord out of the 2nd, backup hard drive, and it booted just fine. So that tells me who the culprit is, and I figure I can get a new drive and use the Ghost image I just made to create the new drive as C, and clear out the current C drive and put it into service again as the backup (although it too must be pretty old and maybe I should get 2 drives)

Which raises the interesting question of how can I put the image onto the new drive and then deal with the old C drive? I can take out the old one and put the image on the new one, but at what point could I get in and clear the old drive? I know some about formatting, and expect I would have to boot to dos and run fdisk and select the old drive to format. But would there not be the same confusion then? 2 drives calling themselves C and how would fdisk know???

I guess I would put the old one in by itself and clear it, after loading the image on the new one and verifying it is good?

So, what's the recommended hard drive these days? Cost is more important than performance or features for me, and I was nowhere near filling the 30GB on either of them.

And is there reason to be careful about what would run on the old motherboard?

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mwmorph

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Seagate drive is good warrantyy(5 years) relatively quiet but not as fast.(most expensive)
Samsung is quietest, but slower(good price)
Maxtor, gets noisy, sorta el cheapo brand image, some problems reported(on sale a lot)
WD-Gets very noisy as time goes on, ok price, ok speed for non raptors
IBM/hitachi-uh.. infamous deskstar anyone?

anyway, windows probably tried to detect the 2nd drive and while it could see it it probably couldnt verify/confirm the drive, it stopped booting to try to confirm it was the drive installed last boot and not some new drive.
 

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The 75GXP's were known to have a higher failure rate, at least you got almost 5 years out of your 75GXP. As for Western Digital, the FDB models should be pretty easy to find, and they don't have the noise problems as their ball bearing counterparts. The Seagates and Samsungs are both FDB,and very quiet. Also, Samsung seems to be very reliable and Seagate has the 5 year warranty. These drives should work with your system:

WD400BB
2mb Cache

WD400JB
8mb Cache-better performance

Samsung SP0411N
2mb cache

Seagate ST340014A
2mb cache
 

dnuggett

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Originally posted by: mwmorph
Seagate drive is good warrantyy(5 years) relatively quiet but not as fast.(most expensive)
Samsung is quietest, but slower(good price)
Maxtor, gets noisy, sorta el cheapo brand image, some problems reported(on sale a lot)
WD-Gets very noisy as time goes on, ok price, ok speed for non raptors
IBM/hitachi-uh.. infamous deskstar anyone?


Seagate is tops for quality.
WD makes the fastest 7200RPM drives in the Caviar SE.
I'd stay away from Maxtor for anything but a temp holding place for files being migrated elsewhere.
IBM does not make the drives anymore they sold the business to Hitachi, they aren't to be associated together. Hitachi's are nice drives, but they aren't as widespread to hear about failures etc....
 

eelw

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Sheesh. What's with all the hate for Maxtors here. The current generation of DM/Maxline 10 drives are amazing. Top performance, and reasonably quiet performance.

And FDB is fluid drive bearings.
 

Felecha

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Looking at Newegg, at the Seagates, it looks like there are 2 differences to ask about.

They offer OEM and Retail for what looks like identical items, both are showing 5 yr warranty. So what is the advantage to retail?

The other is cache - looks like 2mb or 8mb. Is that a big performance issue?

Other than that, I would just look at the capacity and figure that if I'm running 15BG now, how much would I need at the end of a 5 year run.

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Mirko

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Originally posted by: Felecha
I suppose it can make more than one sound, but here's what's happening.

Custom built rig, 4 and a half years ago at a local shop. ABIT KT7RAID, Athlon 900 TBird, 768 RAM, 2 IBM DeskStar 75GXP 30GB harddrives.

IBM just settled a class action lawsuit for these drives. Fill out the form and get your free "50 blank CD-ROMs (with jewel cases)".

http://www.ibmdeskstar75gxplitigation.com/

http://www.ibmdeskstar75gxplitigation.com/pdf/IBM%20Claim%20Form.pdf
 

Felecha

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Another wonder - what about the XP Activation thing? If I load in the Ghost image I made, onto a new hard drive, when it wakes up and boots won't Windows think something's fishy? "Hey, this isn't the hard drive I was installled on!" Will there be a reactivation issue with Microsoft?
 

Felecha

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And as I look around, just taking Seagate as a starting point, I've run into ATA 100 and SATA 150. I gather they have to do with specifications that determine the . . .transfer rate? I believe the Deskstar is ATA 100. Would the SATA 150 be faster enough to warrant a little more money? And would my ABIT KT7RAID support it?
 

jfrog

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Originally posted by: Felecha
And as I look around, just taking Seagate as a starting point, I've run into ATA 100 and SATA 150. I gather they have to do with specifications that determine the . . .transfer rate? I believe the Deskstar is ATA 100. Would the SATA 150 be faster enough to warrant a little more money? And would my ABIT KT7RAID support it?


SATA 150 is a new interface as well as being faster. You can get a PCI SATA card and get SATA drives instead.
 

shoRunner

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Originally posted by: jfrog
Originally posted by: Felecha
And as I look around, just taking Seagate as a starting point, I've run into ATA 100 and SATA 150. I gather they have to do with specifications that determine the . . .transfer rate? I believe the Deskstar is ATA 100. Would the SATA 150 be faster enough to warrant a little more money? And would my ABIT KT7RAID support it?


SATA 150 is a new interface as well as being faster. You can get a PCI SATA card and get SATA drives instead.

sata drives aren't faster
 

Nocturnal

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75GXP are infamous for going bad. There is actually a class action lawsuit going on right this minute. Clicking is one noise as well as it just sounding really weird, you'd kinda have a feeling it was going bad. I know I do.
 

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Originally posted by: shoRunner
Originally posted by: jfrog
Originally posted by: Felecha
And as I look around, just taking Seagate as a starting point, I've run into ATA 100 and SATA 150. I gather they have to do with specifications that determine the . . .transfer rate? I believe the Deskstar is ATA 100. Would the SATA 150 be faster enough to warrant a little more money? And would my ABIT KT7RAID support it?


SATA 150 is a new interface as well as being faster. You can get a PCI SATA card and get SATA drives instead.

sata drives aren't faster

yup, it has more bandwidth and a nicer cable, but the actual drives aren't any faster. Most drives will only push 60 MB/s sustained, no where near the theoretical 133 max of PATA or 150 of SATA. Maybe a large RAID 0 array could burst up close to 150, but still...
 

imported_michaelpatrick33

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The sound of the IBM DeskStar 75GXP hard-drives dying was usually the sound of the receipt printer at the store or your printer clicking at home as it printed the receipt for your online order. ;)

I would just replace the drive with another PATA drive like a Western Digital SE drive. They are pretty quick. I wouldn't worry about SATA for one drive.
 

Felecha

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OK, I will add the SATA question (answer - no big deal) to the one I found about cache (I found a site that gave reasons why an 8mb cache wouldn't give a big preformance boost over a 2mb cache.)

I was figuring that if the whole rig is old, even though working just fine until the hard drive failure, at some point I will want or need a new one, and then maybe the choice of SATA (presuming it would be backward compatible and work on the KT7RAID to begin with) would be of benefit for the future.

So the last remaining question would be OEM - if NewEgg offers the same thing at retail and OEM, why not choose the cheaper?


 

jfrog

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Originally posted by: shoRunner
Originally posted by: jfrog
Originally posted by: Felecha
And as I look around, just taking Seagate as a starting point, I've run into ATA 100 and SATA 150. I gather they have to do with specifications that determine the . . .transfer rate? I believe the Deskstar is ATA 100. Would the SATA 150 be faster enough to warrant a little more money? And would my ABIT KT7RAID support it?


SATA 150 is a new interface as well as being faster. You can get a PCI SATA card and get SATA drives instead.

sata drives aren't faster


I mean the interface is supposedly faster, but it dosen't necessarily mean the drive is going to be faster, unless it's a Raptor. Main benefit of SATA is the smaller cables.

OEM means less packaging to deal with, the warranty should be the same.
 

boomerang

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It's been touched on earlier, but I want to make sure you know that if you go SATA, that you are going to need an additional card to interface those drives to your board.

Sorry if you know that.
 

Felecha

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Meaning if I go SATA now, it won't work at all without the additional card, or it won't work at its full capability? Is that a clear question? I mean, some things will work at a lower performance level if they are made to work with older hardware, right? They can only do their thing with hardware that supports their full capabilities.

But this sounds like it simply would not work in my board, plugged into the controllers I have.