Whats the point in buying an Audi?

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: ChicagoMaroon

Originally posted by: Priit

Originally posted by: ChicagoMaroon
Just one example: What VW has the Audi's Multitronic Continuously Variable Transmission? Once you drive a tranmission with infinite gear ratios, you will never go back.

Plus Audis are a study in clean, beautiful, efficient industrial design. VW makes nice cars, Audis are a work of art.

<-- Happy 2003 Audi A4 owner.

I've driven a machine with that kind of transmission years back. Thought it was cool in it's own way, I doesn't miss that combine harvester much Seriously though, other car manufacturers has made variator-based transmissions years back, it's really nothing new. You're right about VW's and Audis being good cars of course

<-- owns 1990 VW Golf Mk2

Yup, CVTs aren't anything new. Audi's innovation is making its CVT strong enough to attach to a high HP/torque engine.

Well Nissan beat them to that. The Murano is the only production car to have a CVT mated to a 245hp 250tq engine.

Umm, Audi was first. They had it mated to the A6 and A4's 220HP/220 lb-ft 3.0 liter V6. 245/250 is a pissing match.

Audi was first, plain and simple

 

[N8Magic]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Well Nissan beat them to that. The Murano is the only production car to have a CVT mated to a 245hp 250tq engine.

No, they didn't.

Take a look at the 2002 A4 3.0 with Multitronic. 220hp/221lb.ft..


*edit* damn you NFS4!

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: N8Magic

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Well Nissan beat them to that. The Murano is the only production car to have a CVT mated to a 245hp 250tq engine.

No, they didn't.

Take a look at the 2002 A4 3.0 with Multitronic. 220hp/221lb.ft..


*edit* damn you NFS4!

Judo chop!

 

[arcain]

Originally posted by: JYDog

Originally posted by: Gunnar
wow, I got more than I bargained for here....

In any case, I didnt mean to step on anyone's toes, if you like those cars, obviously you will go out and buy them. For me, I just dont see the point in driving a car that is virtually the same as the production model. Yes, a few bits a pieces might be nicer, but its the same car (okay, quattro is an option not available on the VW car). If thats the case, I'd rather save the money, and buy the non-luxo model.

I dont agree with the point that you can modify the chassis of the car to the point where its a different car. Perhaps you can slap on softer springs or stick an anti-roll bar in there to change the handling dynamics, but that to me doesnt a different car make, I could very well do that with some aftermarket bits.

I guess in the end, it unfortunately comes down to the entire image/perceived wealth thing. If I drop my 35 grand, I damn well be getting a car built to be a 35 grand car, which is why the BMW and Mercedes make more sense to me. Come on, the Audi is definitely a VW with Quattro and more options. I drove my friends passat, and sat in the audi. Aside from some color changes, its the same exact thing. I'd rather drive the Passat and get the same thing for cheap!

Though I have to admit, that Infiniti/Nissan's FM platform is a bit of a exception. I mean the 350Z, FX35, and G35 are not geared to be mainstream type vehicles.

BMW and Mercedes still shares some but they get away with it much easier because they dont have as many models and they stick to one brand only. With two cars that has the same chassies you have to change a lot of things(engines, transmissions, F/R track, Tires, suspensions...) to make them feel like two different cars. But in the end, its still cheaper for the manufacturer than going with two totally different chassies.

Doesn't the Chrysler Crossfire share some with the SLK? And isn't the next ML supposed to be based on some cross brand platform? Uh oh.. guess the image conscious people are left with BMW.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: arcain

Originally posted by: JYDog

Originally posted by: Gunnar
wow, I got more than I bargained for here....

In any case, I didnt mean to step on anyone's toes, if you like those cars, obviously you will go out and buy them. For me, I just dont see the point in driving a car that is virtually the same as the production model. Yes, a few bits a pieces might be nicer, but its the same car (okay, quattro is an option not available on the VW car). If thats the case, I'd rather save the money, and buy the non-luxo model.

I dont agree with the point that you can modify the chassis of the car to the point where its a different car. Perhaps you can slap on softer springs or stick an anti-roll bar in there to change the handling dynamics, but that to me doesnt a different car make, I could very well do that with some aftermarket bits.

I guess in the end, it unfortunately comes down to the entire image/perceived wealth thing. If I drop my 35 grand, I damn well be getting a car built to be a 35 grand car, which is why the BMW and Mercedes make more sense to me. Come on, the Audi is definitely a VW with Quattro and more options. I drove my friends passat, and sat in the audi. Aside from some color changes, its the same exact thing. I'd rather drive the Passat and get the same thing for cheap!

Though I have to admit, that Infiniti/Nissan's FM platform is a bit of a exception. I mean the 350Z, FX35, and G35 are not geared to be mainstream type vehicles.

BMW and Mercedes still shares some but they get away with it much easier because they dont have as many models and they stick to one brand only. With two cars that has the same chassies you have to change a lot of things(engines, transmissions, F/R track, Tires, suspensions...) to make them feel like two different cars. But in the end, its still cheaper for the manufacturer than going with two totally different chassies.

Doesn't the Chrysler Crossfire share some with the SLK? And isn't the next ML supposed to be based on some cross brand platform? Uh oh.. guess the image conscious people are left with BMW.

Yeah, the Crossfire is an SLK in drag and the ML will share platform with the next-gen Grand Cherokee. The New Chrysler Pacifica uses a modified Merecedes 5-link rear suspension and the new RWD sedans with the Hemi V8 uses Merecdes transmission, suspensions and rear axles.