whats the ordering: battleship, destroyer, cruiser, corvette, frigate, etc..

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What are you looking for? You need to be a little more specific.

All battleships with the exception of the Arizona are off active duty. The carriers would now be at the top of the list though a boomer(missile carrying) sub might have even more "fire" power than a carrier.

So, do you want destructive power, defensive power, pure size, what?

This is a fun page, which battleship of WWII was the best?

Just What the Heck Does 'Best' Mean?
 

Mermaidman

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Battleship>cruiser>destroyer>frigate>corvette

Of course, a modern cruiser could be larger than an old battleship.

Generally speaking, in WW2, battleship would have 12" to 18" guns
Cruise 6" to 8" guns
The rest have 4" to 5" guns

Modern corvettes could have multiple surface to surface missiles, which would make them deadly to any other ships, regardless of size.

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GagHalfrunt

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Originally posted by: silverpig
Battleships are pretty useless nowadays though.

They've been worthless for ages. The great ship v ship battles were mostly in the age of sail. Since then we've had Monitor vs Merrimack in the Civil War, exactly one major naval battle in WWI (Jutland) and one major battleship vs battleship battle in WWII, Bismarck vs Hood and Prince of Wales. Carriers and subs ruled the Pacific and subs ruled the Atlantic. Monitor/Merrimack was a draw. Jutland was a draw. Bismarck sunk the Hood, but was sunk by the Brits a couple of days later, so that didn't accomplish anything. Battleships have not been involved in a battle that meant anything in nearly 200 years.
 

Kadarin

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We're making an assumption that the OP is implying a naval context. He could be implying a science fiction context, i.e. in Babylon 5, destroyers were larger than heavy cruisers. Go figure.
 

Mani

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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: silverpig
Battleships are pretty useless nowadays though.

They've been worthless for ages. The great ship v ship battles were mostly in the age of sail. Since then we've had Monitor vs Merrimack in the Civil War, exactly one major naval battle in WWI (Jutland) and one major battleship vs battleship battle in WWII, Bismarck vs Hood and Prince of Wales. Carriers and subs ruled the Pacific and subs ruled the Atlantic. Monitor/Merrimack was a draw. Jutland was a draw. Bismarck sunk the Hood, but was sunk by the Brits a couple of days later, so that didn't accomplish anything. Battleships have not been involved in a battle that meant anything in nearly 200 years.

Yeah, but battleships are cool. :)
 

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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: silverpig
Battleships are pretty useless nowadays though.

They've been worthless for ages. The great ship v ship battles were mostly in the age of sail. Since then we've had Monitor vs Merrimack in the Civil War, exactly one major naval battle in WWI (Jutland) and one major battleship vs battleship battle in WWII, Bismarck vs Hood and Prince of Wales. Carriers and subs ruled the Pacific and subs ruled the Atlantic. Monitor/Merrimack was a draw. Jutland was a draw. Bismarck sunk the Hood, but was sunk by the Brits a couple of days later, so that didn't accomplish anything. Battleships have not been involved in a battle that meant anything in nearly 200 years.


"one major battleship vs battleship battle in WWII"

Are you forgetting the Battle Of Leyte?Surigao Straits?


Do you nefs really think you are funny? Is there a contest over who can make the most stupid and inane post and I didn't get the memo?
 

Sketcher

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I served on both the USS New Jersey BB-62 and USS Missouri BB-63 Iowa class battleships as well as one of the four Kidd Class destroyers that was originally built for Iran: USS Chandler DDG-996. Was stationed aboard the 'Mighty Mo' during the '91 Persian Gulf War. The same ship which the Japanese surrender was signed on. Incredible experience serving aboard those ships.

Nothing quite like the blast of a full broadside from the nine 16" Guns. Tomohawk and Harpoon Guided Cruise Missiles rounded out their long range armament but just about any ship could carry GCM's. The 16" guns and the visual presence of those ships is what packed the iconic power at their time.

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Quoted from the "Gun" link provided above: During Operation DESERT STORM battleships USS WISCONSIN and USS MISSOURI fired more than 1.000 rounds of 16" ammunition in support of ground operations. USS MISSOURI alone fired more than one million pounds of ordnance. Using Remotely Piloted Vehicles and Marine spotters ashore, targets included artillery, mortar and missile positions, ammunition storage facilities and a Silkworm missile site. USS WISCONSIN's RPVs provided on-site reconnaissance support from 11 nautical miles out for advancing Marines. On 03 February 1991 the battleship USS MISSOURI (BB-63) fired eight 1.25-ton shells from its 16-inch guns at prefabricated concrete command and control bunkers Iraq was moving into Kuwait, destroying the bunkers. The barrage, totalling 18,000 pounds of high explosives, marked the first combat firing of the MISSOURI's 16-inch guns since the Korean War, and was in support of Marines and coalition ground forces. This also marked the first use of a Remotely Piloted Vehicle (RPV) for gun fire spotting in a hostile environment. And on 03 February USS MISSOURI destroyed an Iraqi artillery emplacement. On 06 February USS MISSOURI destroyed 4 artillery emplacements and a command bunker with another 16-inch gun barrage in support of Marines. In a second salvo, the MISSOURI fired 28 16-inch rounds against a radar control site complex, completely destroying it. 5-inch batteries also engaged. MISSOURI had fired a total of 112 16-inch shells and 12 five-inch rounds in 8 fire support missions over 48 hours.


Within two hours of relieving its sister battleship, USS WISCONSIN (BB 64) conducted its first naval gunffre support mission since the Korean War, firing an 11-round salvo with its 16-inch guns and destroying an Iraqi artillery battery in southern Kuwait. Secondary explosions reported. USS NICHOLAS escorted the battleship. USMC OV-10 called in the fire mission. On 07 February USS WISCONSIN pounded Iraqi artillery, electronic warfare and naval sites with its 16 inch guns. 50 rounds sunk or severely damaged 15 boats, destroyed piers at Khawr al-Mufattah Marina. 19 rounds also fired at artillery and missile sites. On 08 February USS WISCONSIN attacked a dozen Iraqi artillery emplacements with 36 rounds of its 16-inch guns in support of a Marine reconnaissance probe into occupied Kuwait. Using its remotely pilot vehicle to visually relay pictures and gun-firing coordinates of targets, the battleships's harassment and interdiction mission was designed to pin down and confuse Iraqi gunners during the Marine attack. Off Khafji, Saudi Arabia, WISCONSIN also blasted bunkers, troops and artillery sites, and continued its naval gunfire missions responding to calls for fire from U.S. and coalition forces on 09 February. Then on 12 February USS MISSOURI, USMC aircraft/artillery, and Saudi artillery mounted a combined arms attack on multiple fixed-position targets (Iraqi troops, artillery, a hardened command bunker and tanks) in southern Kuwait. The battleship expended 60 rounds in 9 naval gunfire support missions. On 21 February USS WISCONSIN destroyed a command complex, firing 50 rounds from off Khafji. RPVs spotted targets and provided coastline reconnaissance. Two days later USS MISSOURI destroyed targets on Favlaka Island off the coast of Kuwait City. On 24 February CINCCENTCOM announced the initiation of the ground offensive, and USS MISSOURI and USS WISCONSIN fired at targets in occupied Kuwait in support of the ground offensive. The next day USS WISCONSIN and USS MISSOURI continued naval gunfire support, with MISSOURI alone firing 133 rounds or 125 tons of ordnance on targets.

Granted, nowadays w/all the new technology at our disposal there's not much point in considering the use of the old Iowa Class boats but 1991 in my book doesn't quite qualify for the distinction of being "useless ages ago". However, considering the average aged ATOT'er was still in diapers during the '91 Gulf War ;).