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akira34

Golden Member
I have to ask... Why are so many people posting up asking about things (cases, power supplies, etc) that want to pay pennies for them? It's akin to someone wanting to purchase a Ferrari but only wanting to pay the what you can get a Neon for... Cases with ~400W power supplies that are under $80 should be trusted only as far as you can [personally] toss a rhino. You want a really good case, DON'T expect to get one with a PSU for under $100. If you want a really good case, don't be shocked that it's going to cost you between $150 and $300. You really DO get what you pay for here.

You could get lucky and come across sales on items that are normally higher (newegg does this often). At which time, you should jump on them just like you would a drunk super model.

People that have purchased the cheap cases often have the real scars that show why you don't want to get them. I've lost track of how many cuts I've received from cheap cases because that's what the customer wanted. I try to direct them towards the better cases that are more solid, have rolled edges and/or made from better materials. But, as it sometimes happens, the really cheap people want to save that extra $20-$50 that the better case would have cost.

Even better are the calls from people that purchase systems built by other people (that cut costs and use cheap cases and power supplies) because the system won't even turn on. Often, the cheap PSU is totally dead, and out of warranty, sometimes just a month or so out too. They tend to get upset when they find out what the problem is and how they were not even given the option to get the better hardware. These are people with money that don't mind spending it for a quality item. They get pissed off more when they get sold something that they are told is good, only to have it crap out on them just outside of the warranty period.

Bottom line, you DO get what you pay for. Buy something that's cheap, and you're getting something cheap... If you don't want to have downtime later and/or spend more in the long run (replacing itmes that you wouldn't have had to if you'd spent a few dollars more ends up costing you more) get the good stuff...
 
SLK3700amb with Antec 350w psu $60 bucks shipped. there are always exceptions that people don't know about. nice try though
 
There are plenty of good cases with decent PSU's for under $100, Antec and Inwin come to mind. Its the $40 cases with a 400watt PSU you should stay clear of.
 
Originally posted by: Operandi
There are plenty of good cases with decent PSU's for under $100, Antec and Inwin come to mind. Its the $40 cases with a 400watt PSU you should stay clear of.

DECENT is a relative term. A persone who owns a Lambo thinks a Mercedes is decent. A poor person with no car thinks a Hyundai is decent.

You opinoin is your own. If Antec is decent enough for you, fine.

As for me, it would not. I spent over $400.00 on my case/psu combo. Does it work better? Who knows. All I know is that it's what is decent for me.

Bump on akira34's stance. There is no such thing as a GOOD cheap psu.

But, most people who buy cheap cases dont spend a lot of time inside them. After 2-3 nice gaping cuts, they would say screw this and look for a case with rolled edges.

I have worked with both. Have yet to really injure myself, but I tend to go slow and work carefully.
 
Good is one thing, I'm talking about the people that are looking to get the same quality as a ~$200+ case for under $50. The ONLY time I'd trust a sub $100 case is from either Antec, Coolermaster or Lian-li, if the last two even HAVE sub $100 cases. Antec does ship some with PSU's, which are their own branded and not high end models (in my own Antec it came with a smart power, not a true power 400W PSU).

Something I've noticed about the lower priced cases is they tend to be cramped. Don't expect to find a cheap case that's very roomy, or features anything innovative in it.

While I'm sure someone will find exceptions to what I'm saying (kind of expect it these days) I'm talking as base rules... Just like with most things, some people can't see the difference between low and high end, but some of us appreciate quality (or fit and finish on these things) more than others.
 
It depends on what your standards are. If a $100 case\PSU combo is what you can afford then it has to be "okay." In gereral Akira is right, you get what you pay for.
 
Originally posted by: stevennoland
Originally posted by: Operandi
There are plenty of good cases with decent PSU's for under $100, Antec and Inwin come to mind. Its the $40 cases with a 400watt PSU you should stay clear of.

DECENT is a relative term. A persone who owns a Lambo thinks a Mercedes is decent. A poor person with no car thinks a Hyundai is decent.

You opinoin is your own. If Antec is decent enough for you, fine.

As for me, it would not. I spent over $400.00 on my case/psu combo. Does it work better? Who knows. All I know is that it's what is decent for me.

Bump on akira34's stance. There is no such thing as a GOOD cheap psu.

But, most people who buy cheap cases dont spend a lot of time inside them. After 2-3 nice gaping cuts, they would say screw this and look for a case with rolled edges.

I have worked with both. Have yet to really injure myself, but I tend to go slow and work carefully.

Throwing more money around dosn't = a better product. A BMW or Mercedes is much better built car then a Lamborghini despite the Lambo costing several times more.

I'm referring to general build quality, I spent over $250 (Lian-Li) on my case and PSU (Tagan) but that doesn?t mean it's necessarily built better then a $80 Antec or $60 Iniwn. AL is more expensive then steel and plastic works just as well for building a case, aside from ethstetics.
 
Originally posted by: Operandi
Throwing more money around dosn't = a better product. A BMW or Mercedes is much better built car then a Lamborghini despite the Lambo costing several times more.

I'm referring to general build quality, I spent over $250 (Lian-Li) on my case and PSU (Tagan) but that doesn?t mean it's necessarily built better then a $80 Antec or $60 Iniwn. AL is more expensive then steel and plastic works just as well for building a case, aside from ethstetics.

Just like spending next to nothing doesn't mean you're going to end up with a great budget product. It can just as easily be a hunk of crap. Instead or arguing about cost, and by extension insinuating that people who spend more are somehow STUPID, why not allow reviews and testimonials hold sway? Moreover, since we aren't spending each others money what difference does it make? These arguments are old as dirt and never solve anything. Buy what you want and extend that same right to everyone else.

 
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: Operandi
Throwing more money around dosn't = a better product. A BMW or Mercedes is much better built car then a Lamborghini despite the Lambo costing several times more.

I'm referring to general build quality, I spent over $250 (Lian-Li) on my case and PSU (Tagan) but that doesn?t mean it's necessarily built better then a $80 Antec or $60 Iniwn. AL is more expensive then steel and plastic works just as well for building a case, aside from ethstetics.

Just like spending next to nothing doesn't mean you're going to end up with a great budget product. It can just as easily be a hunk of crap. Instead or arguing about cost, and by extension insinuating that people who spend more are somehow STUPID, why not allow reviews and testimonials hold sway? Moreover, since we aren't spending each others money what difference does it make? These arguments are old as dirt and never solve anything. Buy what you want and extend that same right to everyone else.

I agree.

My point was simply that more money doesn?t always equal a better product, ie if you not big on brushed AL a Lian-Li I is going to look like a waste of money to you. I like my Lian-Li and ill never go back to plastic/steel case.

I think the main point of the thread was aimed those craptastic generic cases with 500watt PSU's for $50. They are worthless and nobody should be buying them.
 
Originally posted by: Operandi
I agree.

My point was simply that more money doesn?t always equal a better product, ie if you not big on brushed AL a Lian-Li I is going to look like a waste of money to you. I like my Lian-Li and ill never go back to plastic/steel case.

I think the main point of the thread was aimed those craptastic generic cases with 500watt PSU's for $50. They are worthless and nobody should be buying them.

I'm glad we're on the same page in this, Operandi.

That 500w, $50 PSU may indeed be a piece of shiznit. However, I'm not going to lobby anyone against buying one. We all make our choices and hopefully learn from mistakes. The best I can do is advise and reccomend. Beyond that I'd be sweating someone elses box, and there's no profit in that. When I bought my AL Vantec it was still about $170. You wouldn't believe some of the crap I heard. Here I am, 3-years later and it hasn't skipped a beat and powers more than I thought possible. If someone wants\has to spend less God bless them. 😉
 
Gonna have to agree with the spenders not the pinchers here...

Cases made by lian-li (by far the best), silverstone and coolermaster are sound investments, regardless of price. Cases are future-proof... they aren't eclipsed every 20 minutes by the new video card.

Besides, anyone who's worked with a really nice case knows there is quite a difference.

 
Originally posted by: wylecoyote
Gonna have to agree with the spenders not the pinchers here...

Cases made by lian-li (by far the best), silverstone and coolermaster are sound investments, regardless of price. Cases are future-proof... they aren't eclipsed every 20 minutes by the new video card.

What about the possibility that a new motherboard form factor could be released (BTX)?

 
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
What about the possibility that a new motherboard form factor could be released (BTX)?

Something that MIGHT happen should not drive your case purchase. There's been talk of the btx boards for a while now and I have yet to see any of the mobo makers produce one. I look at it as another intel pipe dream, just like they're dream that USB2 would do away with FireWire...
 
btx might become the dominant standard some day and kill off atx like atx killed at off. but when intel introduced atx it was very welcomend by all/ most case manufacturers. btx however does seem to have alot more trouble. i think btx might end up having a history pretty similar to rambus. intel might mess around with it for a while till they figure not enough ppl willw ant it and then go back to atx like they went back to ddr. this is just an idea in my head tho and ive read no artciles that would suggest this or give reason to believe it might happen other than the ones saying that btx is having some starting trouble and case companies dont like intel trying to force btx down their throat. i could be completely wrong i could be right. have to wait and see about this. theres even a possibility that there will be kits to upgrade expensive existing atx cases to btx if btx does have success. they wont have the thermal benefits of btx as they wont have the airflow intel intends but they would atleast fit a btx board kinda like the stacker. also speculation but i think justified as alot of ppl own for example an expensive lian li that they would like to keep so the market for a solution like that would definitely be there *if* btx has success.
 
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Originally posted by: wylecoyote
Gonna have to agree with the spenders not the pinchers here...

Cases made by lian-li (by far the best), silverstone and coolermaster are sound investments, regardless of price. Cases are future-proof... they aren't eclipsed every 20 minutes by the new video card.

What about the possibility that a new motherboard form factor could be released (BTX)?

That's an Intel-only construct at this time, and since gaming performance is at the top of my list BTX isn't something I'm concerned about right now.

 
Originally posted by: akira34
Originally posted by: Engineer
Picked up my Sonata for $29 after MIR's several months ago. 😀

Edit: With 380W TruePower PS! 😉


Sorry, but I find that VERY hard to believe...

You don't spend much time in Hot Deals or at F@twallet, do you? Spend time in those forums and learn how to GET PAID to take many top products home with you (i.e. Last X-mas: Dell 2400 PC with Kodak 3MP digital camera: Paid $12.00 by Dell to take home! :Q).

Oh, I forgot - it was acutally $39.00 for the Sonata as I forgot about shipping of $10.00. It was from Outpost.com $89.00 + $10.00 shipping with 2 overlapping $30.00 rebates = $29.00 + $10.00 shipping = $39.00.

Very quiet also.
 
Originally posted by: Thermalrock
btx might become the dominant standard some day and kill off atx like atx killed at off. but when intel introduced atx it was very welcomend by all/ most case manufacturers. btx however does seem to have alot more trouble. i think btx might end up having a history pretty similar to rambus. intel might mess around with it for a while till they figure not enough ppl willw ant it and then go back to atx like they went back to ddr. this is just an idea in my head tho and ive read no artciles that would suggest this or give reason to believe it might happen other than the ones saying that btx is having some starting trouble and case companies dont like intel trying to force btx down their throat. i could be completely wrong i could be right. have to wait and see about this. theres even a possibility that there will be kits to upgrade expensive existing atx cases to btx if btx does have success. they wont have the thermal benefits of btx as they wont have the airflow intel intends but they would atleast fit a btx board kinda like the stacker. also speculation but i think justified as alot of ppl own for example an expensive lian li that they would like to keep so the market for a solution like that would definitely be there *if* btx has success.

Bump! I am currently an Intel fan, but the tests on the new FX-55 and the new nForce 4 chipset from nVidia are swaying me to the good side.

There is no denying Intel is a dominant force, and has a lot of sway in market direction. But as of late, their not producing. AMD is wiping the floor with Intel's arse. If AMD continues to dominate (at the very least on the cpu front) DDR2 may well go the way of RDRAM. I doubt this will happen just beacause of the higher bandwidth of DDR2.

At least the mobo manu's have switched to PCI express for gpu's for AMD rigs (Woot!). Hopefully timings on DDR2 can come down to a level to make them more friendly with AMD cpu's imbedded mem controllers.
 
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