Whats the deal with people against Flash?

[everman]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
I don't like flash because of this...

You sir, are an idiot.

 

[McMadman]

I've seen the flash before - a STATIONARY window that dosen't move or create thousands of popups with the intent to crash a 16 bit os.

As SOON as I saw/heard the you are an idiot thing moving I knew what was coming and had a low chance of killing it.

heres one especially for you Fritzo, that link without any warning was uncalled for.

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: merlocka

Originally posted by: McMadman

Originally posted by: Fritzo
I don't like flash because of this...

DIE!
I can't reboot for another hour or two, and can't even use windows or internet explorer anymore properly.

ROFL. You might be angry now but in a few months when someone posts this again and you are smart enough not to click it, you'll be having a riot reading about the people who fell for it... take it from someone who knows 🙂

Hell, I knew about it, but I clicked it anyway to make my wife laugh. 😛
Crtl+Alt+Del stops it for me (although it takes IE wiith it).

 

[Regs]

On a designer point a view, its easy to use to create less static pages.

On a users point a view: sometimes annoying (specially those damn pop ups and sound banners), heavy on the bandwidth, and sometimes over used.

 

[McMadman]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: merlocka

Originally posted by: McMadman

Originally posted by: Fritzo
I don't like flash because of this...

DIE!
I can't reboot for another hour or two, and can't even use windows or internet explorer anymore properly.

ROFL. You might be angry now but in a few months when someone posts this again and you are smart enough not to click it, you'll be having a riot reading about the people who fell for it... take it from someone who knows 🙂

Hell, I knew about it, but I clicked it anyway to make my wife laugh. 😛
Crtl+Alt+Del stops it for me (although it takes IE wiith it).

On a 98se system thats been up for more than 36 hours thats already sitting around 15% system resources, it dosen't take much to kill it, especially anything browser related (thats most of my resource drain right there.)

 

[QueHuong]

I was recently elected as webmaster for a club at my college. I told them upfront that I will not learn Flash because it's unnecessary and I place more emphasis on content and a presentation that's elegant, but still simple. The old webmaster was the other person running against me and she's very visual. Well, they decided to elect us both as co-webmasters since they like our two philosophies. But later on, my friend told me the club absolutely love Flash and fancy stuff like that, so I guess I'm gonna learn a little bit of Flash if I want to get elected next year.

I visited a sister organization of my club and their Flash site was very nice - creative and very pleasing to the eyes. However, the navigation was horrible. It included a sun with moving rays. Sometimes when you want to click on a certain page (rays), if you're not fast enough, you click on the next ray because it's moving clockwise. ANNOYING. Next, none of the rays give a description of what you're clicking at...not even a name of the page like the "About this club" page, so I didn't know how the hell to navigate the site. AGGRAVATING.

My point is, even with that awful navigation, people still preferred the Flash because it looks pretty. As computer geeks, we realize the importance of content and user friendliness. It's sad, but MOST people will be content with pretty Flash even if it takes them several tries to get to the page they want. So you just have to cater to your audiences.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: WannaFly
I hate flash also. Now, it is perfect for entertainment (thanks homestarrunner.com), but horrible for sites otherwise. Theres a couple people on AT that have sites that i absolutely hate, rh71's site, and whoever owns revolutionhosting or something.

I did my site as a challenge to myself. I hardly knew Flash before and I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. It took me 2 full months to do it. I can create the HTML version in about an hour if I wanted to. But that wasn't my purpose. And I don't need it out there as HTML. I sell nothing other than Flash dev services. It's more about show/test than about information.

Who goes to rh71.com for information anyway?

So you can kiss my @$$. 😀 Thanks for name-dropping. Appreciate that. Have a nice day.

FOr what it's worth, I think it's a pretty cool site. I recognize at least one of the songs as a Metallica tune I think...what are the names?

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: rh71
Believe me I'm not offended by people's opinions. If I were, I'd K.I.S.S. I did it to do it. Why must I seek approval ? The purpose was there - it's completely functional and completely Flash. That's it.

Your claim of "Completely functional" is total BS. For a business oriented site (your site appears to be personal but serve business purposes on the side), it is a terrible design mistake to make the content accessible only to those with recent browsers and Flash. I've used some fancy CSS for effects in stuff I design, but the nice thing about that is that it fails gracefully - and the user can still read the content just fine, albeit without some of the formatting - if the user has NN4 or some other dinosaur of a browser.

With Flash, if you don't have (or can't get due to security policy restrictions) Flash, you can't view the site unless the designer has provided a fallback. Macromedia has done a good job with their site, especially because it automatically determines if you can use Flash, and redirects you to the right version of the site automatically based on what your system can handle. Your site, on the other hand, is Flash-only. This not only makes it worthless to people like me, but also to people with disabilities (a few examples: screenreaders can't pick letters out of a bitmap, text size settings often don't work, and the color schemes typically used with animation-heavy sites tend not to work well for color blind people).

I can tell that you care much more about showing off than alienating a portion of your audience, but that's your choice to make. I'm just pointing out that if you were to do what you've done with your personal site with a business site, it would pretty much be a suicide sentence.

BTW, the eye knows exactly where to go. It's streamlined for that purpose. Animations are all in order. I made it a point to not have 30 things move in and around at once. Which part is busy? Again, I'm not offended. I like to work on mistakes.

The site is working just fine.

Well, I broke down and tried it on my parents' box with IE and Flash. :disgust:

The site is a problem because it takes too freaking long to load on dialup to begin with, and then after I waited that long, I was pissed that it took everything else so long to fly or fade or whatever-other-animation in.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: jliechty

Originally posted by: rh71
Believe me I'm not offended by people's opinions. If I were, I'd K.I.S.S. I did it to do it. Why must I seek approval ? The purpose was there - it's completely functional and completely Flash. That's it.

Your claim of "Completely functional" is total BS. For a business oriented site (your site appears to be personal but serve business purposes on the side), it is a terrible design mistake to make the content accessible only to those with recent browsers and Flash. I've used some fancy CSS for effects in stuff I design, but the nice thing about that is that it fails gracefully - and the user can still read the content just fine, albeit without some of the formatting - if the user has NN4 or some other dinosaur of a browser.

With Flash, if you don't have (or can't get due to security policy restrictions) Flash, you can't view the site unless the designer has provided a fallback. Macromedia has done a good job with their site, especially because it automatically determines if you can use Flash, and redirects you to the right version of the site automatically based on what your system can handle. Your site, on the other hand, is Flash-only. This not only makes it worthless to people like me, but also to people with disabilities (a few examples: screenreaders can't pick letters out of a bitmap, text size settings often don't work, and the color schemes typically used with animation-heavy sites tend not to work well for color blind people).

I can tell that you care much more about showing off than alienating a portion of your audience, but that's your choice to make. I'm just pointing out that if you were to do what you've done with your personal site with a business site, it would pretty much be a suicide sentence.

BTW, the eye knows exactly where to go. It's streamlined for that purpose. Animations are all in order. I made it a point to not have 30 things move in and around at once. Which part is busy? Again, I'm not offended. I like to work on mistakes.

The site is working just fine.

Well, I broke down and tried it on my parents' box with IE and Flash. :disgust:

The site is a problem because it takes too freaking long to load on dialup to begin with, and then after I waited that long, I was pissed that it took everything else so long to fly or fade or whatever-other-animation in.

I didn't create the site to make money. I only added the web work form on June 4 (which was mere weeks ago) because people were asking me to do their sites and I had to keep asking the same questions by hand. The site's been up since 2001, as a show-off site, make no mistake. It shows off how Flash can interact with ColdFusion (or any other dynamic web language for that matter) as well as a backend DB. Learn by doing.

I am lucky enough to have a perfectly good full-time job otherwise and don't care about the freelance business and "losing" potential customers. If they like what they see, they'll approach me. If I cared about freelancing more, there's no doubt I would put up an HTML only version as well. I already do auto-detection --> redirection on other work I don't publicize. It's cake.

 

[yukichigai]

The problem I have with flash is not the way it works or even the quality of the files it creates. What I have a beef with is how Macromedia specifically included options to disable all control functions of the plugin if the file has that specified. This means that you can create files with sound or popups which you cannot stop or mute, particularly banner ads. (I had one come up that was about 3 minutes of sound about a porn site on one of the pages I frequent. I wound up uninstalling flash to get rid of it) The fact that it is supposed to be an "entertainment" plugin but is often used as an annoying popup plugin is what gets me. It's like someone selling a cell phone that comes with an SMS address that gets sold to some third-party advertising company, plus a notification ringer that's 3x louder than any other tone and can't be turned off. Fortunately for any of us Mozilla/Firebird users there's a plugin that creates a placeholder flash file which you have to click before the actual flash image starts to run. Gets mildly annoying if you're on a flash-heavy site but weeds out all the annoying ads quick. Do a search on the Software forum for "DIE" (all caps) and you should find the thread.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Mani
FOr what it's worth, I think it's a pretty cool site. I recognize at least one of the songs as a Metallica tune I think...what are the names?

Hint: MOP & TBA.