Whats the current timeline for 28nm GPUs?

[EliteRetard]

With such a large jump, is there a chance theyll mess that up too...like they did with the 32nm? If they do run into problems with 28nm then what?

 

[n0x1ous]

With such a large jump, is there a chance theyll mess that up too...like they did with the 32nm? If they do run into problems with 28nm then what?

More 40nm for us! Now that everyone knows the PCIe power limit doesnt matter we will just get bigger chips that pull 400 - 500 and require h2o.

Maybe as terms of their settlements with Intel this year, AMD/Nvida made a deal with Intel for fab use as a backup lol haha

No seriously though, I would imagine TSMC is spending every waking moment trying to get 28nm ready to go after what happened with 40nm.

As far as the timeline, I think the best guess is Q4 2011 or Q1 2012

 

[Dark Shroud]

Yeah I doubt TSMC can afford to screw up 28nm with Glofo having 32nm. So we can expect the next set of cards to start shipping at Q4 this year and probably continueing into Q1 2012 like what happened this last round.

 

[Genx87]

Rumors are saying August for Nvidia's next round. I expect AMD to be within that timeframe as well.

 

[3DVagabond]

"Whats the current timeline for 28nm GPUs?"

Not soon enough, IMHO. Either they show up soon or we're going to see 1kw graphics cards.

 

[toyota]

Rumors are saying August for Nvidia's next round. I expect AMD to be within that timeframe as well.

where are these rumors? 28nm will barely be ready by then and there is no way actual cards will be ready for the market at that time.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I'd guess both will be aiming for later in the fall (Oct/Nov/Dec), and I'm looking forward to it. With the process shrinkage, new architectures, and how competitive they've gotten to here recently, it should be very interesting. After the last couple of years (Fermi missing 2009 and 6900 showing up shortly before Christmas and in low quantities), I think both will be eager to get cards out in time for the Holidays this year.

At least I'm hoping this turns out to be a bit of a perfect storm where we all win by having a glut of great cards to choose from.

 

[Arkadrel]

Rumors are saying August for Nvidia's next round. I expect AMD to be within that timeframe as well.

I seriously doubt that.

Yeah I doubt TSMC can afford to screw up 28nm with Glofo having 32nm.

Yeah Glofo have a oppertunity they can cash in on... Somehow I think TSMC is giveing both nvidia and amd promises of really sweet deals for 28nm, in hopes they dont go Glofo instead.

 

[bryanW1995]

yeah, 28nm by august is slightly, um, optimistic. unless he meant aug 2012... much more likely is 28nm won't be ready until very late 2011, with no cards from either camp until 1h 2012.

 

[Arkadrel]

source: Jan 9, 2010
http://semiaccurate.com/2010/01/09/global-foundries-28nm-wafer-spotted/

Glofo has wafers of 300mm^2... so that could be a cpu or gpu.

In any case, Global Foundries 28nm process is looking good. Officially, it is still on track for the second half of 2010, but given this showing, that may be an overly cautious timetable. Progress like this tends to lead to a slew of new products, so bring on the new toys.

Just out of curiosity doesnt Glofo have 28nm by now?


*Edit> found this> Source from 13 January 2011
http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2011/01/13/50271/glofo-validates-28nm-design-flow.htm

Both the foundry design flow and 28nm-SLP Lynx Foundry-Ready System are expected to be available to customers starting in Q1 of 2011.

Q1 of 2011, before "customers" can start produceing stuff there.



Source: 02/15/2010
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/...tion_by_30_with_28nm_Fabrication_Process.html

Globalfoundries Promises to Boost Performance by 40%,
Trim Power Consumption by 30% with 28nm Fabrication Process.

Current estimates show 28nm with HKMG will provide approximately 40% higher performance within the same thermal envelope,

by now... not in testing phases, they probably have even better results.
And it looks like its right around the corner

btw its crazy that 40nm->28nm can give +40% performance with same thermals, -30% power used.

Imagine what this will do to the GPUs? we ll see all products across the board jump around 40% in performance, by the time we see 7xxx series, and 6xx series.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Yeah with the improvements made to the HD 6990 over the HD 5970 I'm looking forward to the duel GPU 7000 series card on 28nm. Especially if they can do like the Anand review suggests where GPU1 can operate as if it was a single GPU card.

My HD 6970 will hold me over just fine for the next year.

 

[Idontcare]

With such a large jump, is there a chance theyll mess that up too...like they did with the 32nm? If they do run into problems with 28nm then what?

TSMC didn't mess up 32nm.

TSMC isn't interested in investing billions to develop a process node that will only see a few tens of millions in annual sales.

The development cost was larger than the customers wanted to pay to support as an amortized function of wafer costs when it went to production.

Simple business decision. If too few customers signed up for 28nm it would have been scuttled as well.

 

[FalseChristian]

I think 40nm GPUs have hit a wall as to performance abilities. The Radeon 7970 and the GeForce GTX 680 will have to be on a smaller process.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

We're almost positively going to see a 28nm "tester" unit floated by AMD (and likely Nvidia) during the interim period, given how the HD4770 more or less saved AMD's ass from the pit of despair on the current node. Wonder if we would see a limtied run production model 28nm during the 3rd quarter of this year, with a full blown launch during the 1st half of 2012?

It would also be an awfully long time to go without any sort of new product launches from either side (although that might just be the GPU aficionado in me).