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What's the best printer technology?

Zebo

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Looking for a home office printer in color. I print a lot about 1000 pages a month so inkjet is probably not the best way because of cost per page, right? Also, my wife likes to send out photos in xmas cards and such so it should have very good photo printing.

Many options:

- Inkjet printers
- Laser printers
- Solid ink printers
- Thermal printers
- Dye sublimation printers
- LED printers

Which is best to get? considering 1000pp and color and good photo?
 

corkyg

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An office grade inkjet is still your best bet for color cost effectiveness. Maybe two printers would be better? A B&W laser and an inkjet for color. That's what I have.
 

Zebo

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What's an example of an office grade inkjet?

And what about Solid ink like this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-628-_-Product

ink cubes only cost like $65 for 4000 pages like magenta...need 4 colors though but still cheap.

Thanks

Anyone else have experience with these solid ink printers on photos I'd appreciate input as well.

Thanks again.
 
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Lemon law

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I have always maintained a Color inkjet should be the best technology choice for the average home user, but sadly, as manufactured, almost all inkjet printers end up being the worst choice. For that I blame both ink jet printer makers and their greed, and too many ignorant buyers. But it is possible to refill some select no longer made printers and get stellar below most prosumer lasers consumable costs. Don't tell me it can't be done because I have been doing it for the past six years with my non-chipped Canon ip4000.

But that is exactly the point, at a home office printer user printing a 1000 sheets a month, Zebo, you are anything but an average user. And there is where I agree with corkyg, you should do the bulk of your printing on a B/W laser. You can get a plain Jane laser model for $50.00, or you can get one with all the bells and whistles like copy, scan, fax, with a ADF thrown in also for about $140.00. Then you are in the two penny a page consumable cost area if you use OEM toner cartridges and in the penny a page area if you use third party toner cartridges. Or you can pony up the $400.00 or so for a color Laser with a few bells and whistles that will not do color post cards well as well as a color inkjet. But still half the initial costs of your solid ink Xerox that does not seem consumable costs competitive with a Laser.

But still, if you select a laser as your primary printer, its still leaves you with the dilemma of what color inkjet to add to the team. Problem one is that inkjets, unlike lasers must be used regularly or they clog. Problem two is that inkjets, compared to lasers are very slow. Problem three is that mere four color inkjets do not do well in photoprinting. And while, as Corkyg pointed out, there are a few HP office jet models that are half way competitive with lasers on consumable costs, they are not really good at photoprinting.

But Zebo, if the only thing its takes to mollify the wife is to print X-mas cards once a year, you are far better off hiring it done at places like Walgreen or Walmart. or some other similar copy shop.

But Zebo, if you are interested, if you PM me I can send you some information on what models of used inkjet photprinters you can find and how to get into the dirt cheap refill your own inkjet cartridges for dirt cheap. Nor do you need fancy extra costs network enabled printers to be able to share two or more printers on a small home office network.
 
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extra

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Stay away from solid ink, etc. It's not what you want. :)

Use the laser for black and white. (I use a laserjet 4mv I paid $5 for 10 years ago (literally)--it's still going strong, on it's 2nd toner cartridge lol)...

For photos, grab a canon pixma pro9000 mark II. Because they are bundled with cameras, you can find them for $200 or so. 13x19 printer.
 

Zebo

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Alright, here's where I'm at - 534 three colors are empty at the moment so thats $600 right there @ $200 ea. Easily paying for Xerox above if it can print colors/photo any good. So printer cost is a non issue.

Laser does not do good photos, even with expensive HP laser photo paper.

Looking for solutions. I get kinda tired of paying $600-$800 for LEXMARK proprietary cartridges every few months so I thought something else would be better cost per page and print better. Anything?
 

Lemon law

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You are using Lexmark OEM cartridges, why? On a discontinued printer likely out of warranty.

http://www.dealtime.com/lexmark-534dn/products

Even if we believe the Lexmark specification that you can get up the 8000 B/W monochrome pages for a mere 17500 pennies, its still math's out at like 2.18 cents per page. Not at all impressive for a laser.

Then the other joker is, when you print just B/W, does the Lexmark use the other color cartridges too? Not sure about that question, and like you say, lasers just don't do photoprinting. But still in things like graphs that are keyed to color, a simple monochrome laser loses information.

But start using third party toner cartridges for a third of the cost, and it may be a different story.

I certainly don't endorse or stand behind the deal time link I found in a few seconds on google, but it gives you an idea of what is out there on line for your 534DN. And even if you get a dud toner cartridge once in a while, reputable sellers will replace it for free.
 

Zebo

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Hey LL, when I have purchased non-OEM they have issues to include:
bad roller which left streaks/dots
bad chip which said out of ink
not giving advertised pages

Therefore I only buy OEM.

This wax deal in Xerox seems the way to fly, no cartridge issues at all. Just drop wax in. I'd really like to hear from someone who has used one tho. Otherwise I'm going with your PM suggestion and getting recs and of course not refilling color.


As far as why I'm out of color... women print everything and I have 2 women in office.... web pages full color, a story they like, everything. Thats why.:p
 
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Lemon law

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Hey LL, when I have purchased non-OEM they have issues to include:
bad roller which left streaks/dots
bad chip which said out of ink
not giving advertised pages

Therefore I only buy OEM.

This wax deal in Xerox seems the way to fly, no cartridge issues at all. Just drop wax in. I'd really like to hear from someone who has used one tho. Otherwise I'm going with your PM suggestion and getting recs and of course not refilling color.


As far as why I'm out of color... women print everything and I have 2 women in office.... web pages full color, a story they like, everything. Thats why.:p
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Now Zebo finally cuts to the chase, and confesses he is the banking rolling sucker for two color print aholics.

And then asks a thread question of what is "What's the best printer technology?"

When Zebo should really be asking, given my printing volume and my present and maybe future printing needs, what will be the best technologically printer(s) options that will meet my needs, keep my larger famdamily happy, and deliver the lowest net annual costs for me.

Meanwhile, Zebo says I print a about 1000 pages a month, without saying anything about how that distributes out between plain paper B/W, plain paper color, or the far more expensive per page special paper photoprinting that only a color inkjet can deliver. ( Even though far far more expensive per page consumable cost dye sub printers can also do a good job at photoprinting while both solid wax and laser printers are inferior at photoprinting)

Without that information it becomes impossible to cost anything out for someone like Zebo.
 

Zebo

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Choose your battles. They make me money and I've never been one to micro.... But ya..you got it.

Mod - thats the shit!

Bottom line - 1000pp mo. what cheapest and looks best?
 
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GeekDrew

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This wax deal in Xerox seems the way to fly, no cartridge issues at all. Just drop wax in. I'd really like to hear from someone who has used one tho.

It's been over 5 years since I used a Xerox Phaser. At the time, the print quality was definitely acceptable, and per-page, the cost was less than laser or inkjet. What we weren't expecting was that they use some of the consumables when rebooting (and periodically whenever running... though I don't recall what process it's going through, or how often). Result was that they used more than we anticipated; we stopped buying them.
 

Lemon law

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As Zebo again asks, "Bottom line - 1000pp mo. what cheapest and looks best?"

Again a difficult question to answer until we know how those 1000 pages/Mo distributes and how well you can enforce the use of the best technology for the given need. As you also do not define what looks best to who?

Because if nothing else, Lasers can render far finer detail on plain paper because inkjet ink tends to bleed into the adjacent parts of the paper reducing resolution.

But to put in to you another way Zebo, if you insist on nothing but OEM ink or Toner, you have none nada zippo zip chance to arrive at decent printing economy, and all you are left with is choosing how much you want to get ripped off. And when it comes to rip off potential, nothing beats most inkjets to eat you out of house and home. Because with inkjets, the rip off potential sky is the only limit.

But in closing, let me note, you bitched that third party refilled laser toner cartridges are far less than 100% reliable, but in terms of third party inkjet cartridges I can buy on line for my my non chipped Canon ip4000, I can save 6x v Oem, and they are 100% reliable. But greedy me, I put up with the refilling muss and fuss and save 12X instead.

When about the best you can do with an inkjet under optimal conditions using OEM cartridges is 3 cents a page for B/W and 8 cents per page on mixed color, which is about in line with the best color lasers, even a 6X saving is huge on an inkjet.
 
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borisvodofsky

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Looking for a home office printer in color. I print a lot about 1000 pages a month so inkjet is probably not the best way because of cost per page, right? Also, my wife likes to send out photos in xmas cards and such so it should have very good photo printing.

Many options:

- Inkjet printers
- Laser printers
- Solid ink printers
- Thermal printers
- Dye sublimation printers
- LED printers

Which is best to get? considering 1000pp and color and good photo?

You should print stuff at work.. hahaha.. it's like free. :D:D
 

Howard

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I would recommend getting both a laser for b/w and an inkjet for color - but make sure you can get one that has good aftermarket support for ink (i.e. get an older printer).
 

tynopik

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inkjets are garbage for professional use

get a b/w laser and print your holiday cards at walmart
 

Phynaz

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Keep what you have and use Windows policies to default to black and white.
 

Homerboy

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I'd suggest having any photos printed at Walgreens or something The quality is top notch. They are done faster than you can drive there, and its cheap.

Then just get a b/w lazer for everything else.
 

Chiefcrowe

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As far as our office goes, we have a Xerox Colorqube All in one unit and it is pretty amazing. No major issues with it at all, it uses solid ink, prints super fast and is very high quality. We also get billed differently depending on how much color we use. It's probably not a good solution for personal printers or small amounts of printing but for an office it is awesome.
 

Lemon law

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As far as our office goes, we have a Xerox Colorqube All in one unit and it is pretty amazing. No major issues with it at all, it uses solid ink, prints super fast and is very high quality. We also get billed differently depending on how much color we use. It's probably not a good solution for personal printers or small amounts of printing but for an office it is awesome.
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Maybe I read something into "get billed differently depending on how much color we us" that isn't there, but it sounds almost like a leased unit or something similar. In which case maybe you could share what your consumable costs are per whatever color page if possible.