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Whats on the horizon for netbooks? Anything good?

KDOG

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I know the ASUS 1201n is getting a lot of good press but is anything else coming out that would be better? I will be getting a new netbook in a month or so, maybe less depending on when I can get my taxes done.

I am very tempted to wait until netbooks have 2ghz dual core cpu, DDR3 an USB 3. Anyone have a good guess as to when that will be a reality?
 
This year looks to be pretty disappointing. Pinetrail doesn't support GPU flash acceleration. A lot of the companies at CES dropped the ball with the tablet form factors. Prices seem to be going up instead of down.
 
They took a couple steps that are important in theory, but will only really benefit you (in my opinion) once they are combined with other steps. Most notably, the Atom processor has a more efficient chipset, as the extremely wimpy graphics and the memory controller are on the same die as the processor. Less silicon area should mean they are cheaper to produce, but they don't seem to be getting cheaper.

Also, you know how some companies give you a "cost of living" raise, based on inflation? Like, if the past year's inflation was 1.7% you will get a 1.7% raise? Well, the newer Atoms are very slightly faster, but they might as well be slower because the increase in processing power is so small, and the software we use is getting prettier and more complicated every day. The "raise" Intel gave their Atom processors is like what happened to one of my friends this year, his so-called "cost of living" raise was nowhere near the inflation rate. The Atom didn't get enough of a boost- these days we constantly do GPU-accelerated Flash, photo/video editing, games of course, Windows 3d effects... the new Atom line is a big disappointment. You WILL get better battery life but the newer machines are pretty worthless for performance 🙁

I know, I know, it's a netbook, and nobody should expect them to be fast. I'm not complaining that netbooks aren't capable of HD video conversion, because it would be ridiculous to expect them to be capable something like that in a reasonable time frame. Still though, there was a survey a while back that found the majority of netbook owners were disappointed with their performance, even knowing what they were for...

Once the Atom goes 64-bit, out-of-order, gets DDR3, and a half-decent, semi-ok, not-laughable GPU, then I'll consider a netbook. I think Intel needs AMD to push them though or we may never see hardly any progress on the netbook front. Sadly I don't think AMD has many plans for netbooks. However, their ULV platforms are getting better and better, so that laptop (not netbook) battery life, as well as the price, which shouldn't be much above netbook price, should make consumers say "why would I even want a netbook when I can get a real laptop, with great battery life, for only a few bucks more?" And if Intel prices its ULV laptops competitively with AMD's, they will be shooting themselves in the foot for competing with their Atom netbooks... it should be interesting!

Ok, sorry, I got rambling. It's late and I really need to go to bed 😛 night all!
 
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2010 is the year everyone might give up Atom based netbook with wimpy GPU. HD video playback is a must for everyone.
 
2010 is the year everyone might give up Atom based netbook with wimpy GPU. HD video playback is a must for everyone.

When they announced pinetrail, it was so promising. Then they revealed that the chip couldn't accellerate flash and then the platform looked horrible.
 
When they announced pinetrail, it was so promising. Then they revealed that the chip couldn't accellerate flash and then the platform looked horrible.

Truthfully, If they bumped the Atom to 2Ghz, and put a 4500 on chip I'd own a Netbook right now. Since they didn't I'm waiting for AMD's next gen ultrathin (1.6ghz+ K10.5 X2 and at least a 4200) and Intel's new 32NM CULV offerings. In my opinion, if either looks good in a 12.1" package, then I'm buying, if not I may have to drag my 5 year old desktop replacement around for another year. I want a netbook that has real power, and in my opinion everything 13" and bigger is a desktop.
 
Truthfully, If they bumped the Atom to 2Ghz, and put a 4500 on chip I'd own a Netbook right now. Since they didn't I'm waiting for AMD's next gen ultrathin (1.6ghz+ K10.5 X2 and at least a 4200) and Intel's new 32NM CULV offerings. In my opinion, if either looks good in a 12.1" package, then I'm buying, if not I may have to drag my 5 year old desktop replacement around for another year. I want a netbook that has real power, and in my opinion everything 13" and bigger is a desktop.

Me and you share the same exact view on netbooks, even down to the screen size. Scary 😱
 
I am very tempted to wait until netbooks have 2ghz dual core cpu, DDR3 an USB 3. Anyone have a good guess as to when that will be a reality?
Netbooks aren't for people who care about performance.
DDR3 is not important; probably will happen within the year as DDR2 is being phased out.
I'd guess USB3 will a year to arrive on a netbook, and will be a marketing gimmick. Probably about 5 years before USB3 is an important feature on netbooks, if the category still exists.
2ghz should come when Intel shrinks Atom to 32nm, I would guess within the year. Presumably the graphics will get better then too. Although not much better because Intel doesn't want to cannibalize it's mainstream products.
 
there's notebooks that are full speed intel i7 cpu's with good mid-range gpu's and 17" screens, dell, lenevo, and asus have models that support this.

most of em come with 4gb ram too. So laptops are the same performance as most desktops now with these models, so you can get anything in laptops from high performance desktop replacement to thin and light ultra portables.

Also i've seen some of the i7 models i've seen on newegg now are at the $1000 level too.
 
the new pinetrail platform from intel sucks. It is still missing key features, it is supposedly cheaper to produce but at the moment is priced higher instead of lower, and atom is too slow to begin with.
Atom is a cellphone class CPU.

it would be interesting though if pinetrail finally does go down in price as it should be and we get 150$ netbooks/nettops.
 
there's notebooks that are full speed intel i7 cpu's with good mid-range gpu's and 17" screens, dell, lenevo, and asus have models that support this.

most of em come with 4gb ram too. So laptops are the same performance as most desktops now with these models, so you can get anything in laptops from high performance desktop replacement to thin and light ultra portables.

Also i've seen some of the i7 models i've seen on newegg now are at the $1000 level too.
It's not about cost though. I just want a ~11.6" note/netbook/tablet for on the go portability. The netbook performance needs only a small bump for my uses, and a GPU to handle Flash/HD.

The ION has already proved it can do Flash and HD, but unfortunately, Nvidia and Intel are/were in a spat.

My friend got an acer 11.6" netbook for $280. It's almost perfect. That was a year ago, and it hasn't changed much, and thus, highly disappointing.
 
atom N280 netbooks seem to be in the $300-400 range and atom N450 netbooks are in the same range. i don't see what the problem is. performance and power consumption have been improved and they seem to cost the same. maybe D510 nettops will be a little more expensive right when they hit the market, big deal. the only thing wrong with pinetrail is the IGP, everything else is meh. they did a good job exceeding the bare minimum of computing requirements and squeezing all of it onto a single die. except for flash.
 
atom N280 netbooks seem to be in the $300-400 range and atom N450 netbooks are in the same range. i don't see what the problem is. performance and power consumption have been improved and they seem to cost the same. maybe D510 nettops will be a little more expensive right when they hit the market, big deal. the only thing wrong with pinetrail is the IGP, everything else is meh. they did a good job exceeding the bare minimum of computing requirements and squeezing all of it onto a single die. except for flash.

1. It is way too much for what you get.
2. pinetrail broke compatibility with nvidia ION
3. pinetrail slightly improved power consumption; thats a good thing.
4. pinetrail decreased cost of manufacturing, but it is selling for more money, not less.
5. without nvidia ion this cannot play HD or flash... making it incapable of even browsing the web properly.

6. Don't expect nvidia to be able to make an ION for the new Atom processors. This current move is meant entirely to cut off nvidia. A slight decrease in power consumption, no change in performance, and a slight decrease in cost are all secondary to the true goal... make it incompatible with ION and secure an intel monopoly.
 
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