What's MISSING from the U.S. 9/11 Attacks Report ?

phillyTIM

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27 blank pages turn up in the report, many detailing a Saudi with close ties to the Government.

Who is that "foreign government" that is hidden and text refers to? Saudi Arabia?

That's the trailblazing story right now; more details to follow, to be sure.

What would the US gain by covering up ties to a foreign government?
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: phillyTIM
27 blank pages turn up in the report, many detailing a Saudi with close ties to the Government.

Who is that "foreign government" that is hidden and text refers to? Saudi Arabia?

That's the trailblazing story right now; more details to follow, to be sure.

What would the US gain by covering up ties to a foreign government?

House Rules
2. Support your positions with facts and good links.

Got any links to back this up? Maybe both documents so we could do a comparison? Anything at all?
 

etech

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Originally posted by: phillyTIM
27 blank pages turn up in the report, many detailing a Saudi with close ties to the Government.

Who is that "foreign government" that is hidden and text refers to? Saudi Arabia?

That's the trailblazing story right now; more details to follow, to be sure.

What would the US gain by covering up ties to a foreign government?

"many detailing a Saudi with close ties to the Government."

Can you post the part of that article that confirms your statement?

 

phillyTIM

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actually i got that part off nbc nightly news, tonight (just before i posted the article); and the 27 pages, when the article says 26

i'm sure by tomorrow all sites will have it
 

CaptnKirk

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Reuters News Agency - before 9/11, leading up to the event

In the three years up to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, U.S. intelligence agencies had reports that Osama bin Laden's followers planned to hijack aircraft, attack U.S. targets and had staged a "dry run" at a New York airport, a congressional report said on Thursday.

The final report of the joint inquiry that the House of Representatives and Senate intelligence committees conducted last year included newly declassified details. Following is a timeline of the intelligence:

In December 1998, an intelligence report said a follower of bin Laden "was planning operations against U.S. targets. Plans to hijack U.S. aircraft proceeding well. Two individuals (information not declassified) had successfully evaded checkpoints in a dry run at a NY airport," the report said.

On Dec. 8, 1999, the CIA's Counterterrorist Center assessed that bin Laden may be seeking to attack between 5 and 15 targets on the Millennium and "because the U.S. is UBL's (bin Laden's) ultimate goal ... we must assume that several of these targets will be in the U.S.," the report said.

On Jan. 29, 2001, the CIA's Counterterrorist Center in a briefing on al Qaeda said that about 70,000 to 120,000 people trained in the camps in Afghanistan since 1979.
On May 10, 2001, CIA Director George Tenet told a Senate hearing there had been an 80 percent rise in terrorism since 1998 and there was likely to be an attack against U.S. interests over the next year.

On June 28, 2001, an assessment said that based on a review of intelligence over the past five months, "we believe that UBL (bin Laden) will launch a significant terrorist attack against U.S. and/or Israeli interests in the coming weeks."

"The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests."

"Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning. They are waiting us out, looking for a vulnerability."

In July 2001, an assessment said that over previous weeks there were over 25 reports "alluding to an impending attack. Never before has the Intelligence Community seen so many indicators," the congressional report said.

On Aug. 16, 2001, an assessment by CIA's Counterterrorist Center said that "for every UBL (bin Laden) operative that we stop, an estimated 50 operatives slip through our loose net undetected."

"Based on recent arrest, it is clear that UBL is building up a worldwide infrastructure which will allow him to launch multiple and simultaneous attacks with little or no warning."

On Sept. 10, 2001, the day before the attacks, the National Security Agency which eavesdrops on electronic communications worldwide, obtained two pieces of information suggesting that "individuals with terrorist connections" believed something significant would happen on Sept. 11, although no specific time, place or type of event was revealed, the report said.

"Because of the nature of the processes involved, NSA is unable to report the information until September 12," the report said.

And this was from philly's post link:

"An entire section on whether there was Saudi support for the hijackers was deleted, as were 26 pages on their foreign financing."

An entire section deleted - PLUS 26 pages on financing.

I think it's pretty common knowledge that even with millions of dollars running through the Saudi economy, their Political Monarchy
is borderline bankrupt, but the Sheiks have stashed a personal bundle.
Few opportunities for usefull employment for the nations youth - mid-teens through late 20's, is building a backlash within the country.
Disenchantment with their lot in life and the inter-action with U.S. policies of their Monarchy have made this a focal spot for resentment aimed at us.
Easy recrutment of anti-U.S. religious fanatics.



 

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sMiLeYz

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"An entire section on whether there was Saudi support for the hijackers was deleted, as were 26 pages on their foreign financing."

An entire section deleted - PLUS 26 pages on financing.

It's well known that the Bush family and Cheney has Saudi connections through the oil trade. Do the math....





Edit: I'm suggesting Bush had the reports censored so they wouldn't embarass the Saudi's. Deflecting the blame for 9/11 to Iraq was pure genius.

 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Thank you. And try to remain calm. I know it's probably difficult for you to have to respond to someone who is critical of the things you post as opposed to the usual "Chorus of the Red-Faced Ranters" who just come in and agree with everything you say. You better learn to deal with it.
When you make rude comments, you can expect rude replies. If you don't like it, perhaps you should learn how to be civil to people you disagree with. To your credit, I haven't noticed any vulgar slurs recently. That's a great step in the right direction.

 

etech

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C'kirk
"An entire section on whether there was Saudi support for the hijackers was deleted, as were 26 pages on their foreign financing."

An entire section deleted - PLUS 26 pages on financing.

I think it's pretty common knowledge that even with millions of dollars running through the Saudi economy, their Political Monarchy
is borderline bankrupt, but the Sheiks have stashed a personal bundle.
Few opportunities for usefull employment for the nations youth - mid-teens through late 20's, is building a backlash within the country.
Disenchantment with their lot in life and the inter-action with U.S. policies of their Monarchy have made this a focal spot for resentment aimed at us.
Easy recrutment of anti-U.S. religious fanatics.
There are two possibilites as to why those sections were deleted. Your assumption is of course that it is some nefarious tie between the Bush family and the Saudis. The other of course is that the investigation is still on-going and sources need to be protected. Time will tell.

I did find something of interest in your post. You seem to make the suggestion that poverty and disenchantment with the current economic situation situation in the Middle East can lead some of the young to terroism.

What would be the effect of restoring what was one of the economic powerhouse countries to full trading status? Will that help or hurt the economies of several ME countries. Will the stability provided by new jobs and trade help or hurt terrorist recruitment?
 

CaptnKirk

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It has deteriorated to where the troubles in the Middle East are much more complex than Socio-Economics.
Their society is steeped in Socio-Political as dominated by Islamic Fundamentalism.

When you look at todays Religious presentation from our county it is a circus sideshow of
Snake Oil Salesmen hawking their wares, and begging for Love Donations from the gullible.

In their countrys, more people of that faith get up for 4 AM worship than our country has getting up for work.
They have prayer service many times a day, and there is punishment for those who fail to partake.
The Taliban is just one example of the depth of their devotion.
(O.K. - our Nuns get to use rulers and Louisville Sluggers)
Our religions do not get that deeply involved, as the common folk rarely immerse themselves to the
depth of involvement that is expected in those 'Foriegn' Religions.
Buddists in Thailand upon reaching their late teens are expected to go forth for at least 2 years in the service of their beliefs,
putting themselves at the mercy of their countrymen for all food and lodging - 2 years !
Our Teens won't put down the PlayStation long enough to come into the kitchen for dinner.

We are dealing with a culture over there that places a lot less value on cash than they do
Islamic Law, but if they can get the handout - take it, it weekens their foe to accept their rewards.
 

etech

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
It has deteriorated to where the troubles in the Middle East are much more complex than Socio-Economics.
Their society is steeped in Socio-Political as dominated by Islamic Fundamentalism.

When you look at todays Religious presentation from our county it is a circus sideshow of
Snake Oil Salesmen hawking their wares, and begging for Love Donations from the gullible.

In their countrys, more people of that faith get up for 4 AM worship than our country has getting up for work.
They have prayer service many times a day, and there is punishment for those who fail to partake.
The Taliban is just one example of the depth of their devotion.
(O.K. - our Nuns get to use rulers and Louisville Sluggers)
Our religions do not get that deeply involved, as the common folk rarely immerse themselves to the
depth of involvement that is expected in those 'Foriegn' Religions.
Buddists in Thailand upon reaching their late teens are expected to go forth for at least 2 years in the service of their beliefs,
putting themselves at the mercy of their countrymen for all food and lodging - 2 years !
Our Teens won't put down the PlayStation long enough to come into the kitchen for dinner.

We are dealing with a culture over there that places a lot less value on cash than they do
Islamic Law, but if they can get the handout - take it, it weekens their foe to accept their rewards.


Nice, but you didn't answer my questions.
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Thank you. And try to remain calm. I know it's probably difficult for you to have to respond to someone who is critical of the things you post as opposed to the usual "Chorus of the Red-Faced Ranters" who just come in and agree with everything you say. You better learn to deal with it.
When you make rude comments, you can expect rude replies. If you don't like it, perhaps you should learn how to be civil to people you disagree with. To your credit, I haven't noticed any vulgar slurs recently. That's a great step in the right direction.

Since when is asking for facts considered rude?
 

phillyTIM

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Here's more info guys, right on schedule.

White House, CIA, Kept Key Portions Of Report Classified

By Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, July 25, 2003; Page A01

President Bush was warned in a more specific way than previously known about intelligence suggesting that al Qaeda terrorists were seeking to attack the United States, a report on the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks indicated yesterday. Separately, the report cited one CIA memo that concluded there was "incontrovertible evidence" that Saudi individuals provided financial assistance to al Qaeda operatives in the United States. These revelations are not the subject of the congressional report's narratives or findings, but are among the nuggets embedded in a story focused largely on the mid-level workings of the CIA, FBI and U.S. military.

Two intriguing -- and politically volatile -- questions surrounding the Sept. 11 plot have been how personally engaged Bush and his predecessor were in counterterrorism before the attacks, and what role some Saudi officials may have played in sustaining the 19 terrorists who commandeered four airplanes and flew three of them into the World Trade Center and Pentagon. ;)
 

CaptnKirk

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etech - from your post:

What would be the effect of restoring what was one of the economic powerhouse countries to full trading status?
Will that help or hurt the economies of several ME countries.
Will the stability provided by new jobs and trade help or hurt terrorist recruitment?

Their problem is not money, or education, or restoring an economic powerhouse.
Their problem is cultural politics, history, and religious fundamentalism.
No amount of throwing money at them will help, they have enough money to buy us.
Their monarchy/government controls who does what, their clergy aims the activity.

U.S. Culture goes back only a little over 200 years. Their culture and history goes back
thousands of years, predating biblical times and history. Their's is warring, with divide and conquer.
This path has been down countless times before, and a foriegn influence has never succeded.
I doubt that ours will either, as the resistance to our ways is even greater than those toward the previous failures.

 

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I have an idea for how to stop terrorism, lets get all Arabs and Muslims to register and have their pictures and fingerprints taken in a humiliating fashion which is associated with criminals.
Then maybe after they blow up our buildings we can find their fingerprints on the airplane.
Well it's a step isn't it?
Its worth the millions of dollars and millions of hours of productivity we lose to act like we are doing something to protect America.
 

Moonbeam

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"I haven't noticed any vulgar slurs recently. That's a great step in the right direction."
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Personally I sort of miss that. AndrewR asks when is asking for facts considered rude. Hehe, when UQ does it. But since I think distinguishing between facts and opinion is such a critical skill I think it's sort of cool. Of course what generally happens is a flame war instead of a desirable trimming of excessive speculation. But local color is what makes this board great as far as I'm concerned. Anyway. :D


This is an interesting thread. It teeters on the fulcrum of a centrally profound issues in my opinion. How do we see things, glass half empty or half full and why? How did we come to view things as we do. Are we dealing with a heavily redacted text or one only missing a few genuine national security items. Its an ink blot test. We see who we are. There are, however, people who have seen the original and they can tell us much. But won't there opinion also have its bias depending on what they think of as national security.

The word on NPR from Nancy P yesterday and people interested in freedom of info issues was that national security has a real tendency to be that info most embarrassing to the admin including in this 9/11 thing.

Secrecy to manage embarrassment in a democratic state is an anathema to the process, no? It was done by Clinton and it is done by Bush. The amount of secret info the Gov. possesses is becoming a monumentally huge pile of facts. Our democracy, in my opinion, is dying from concealment and hidden agendas, no? It's all about keeping the other guy from finding out what's going on. Control information and you can control the vote.

We need an overhaul real bad, but I think money likes it this way.