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Whats holding back 10,000 RPM IDE drives?

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DarkManX

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theres already a 15,000RPM SCSI drive, whats holding back IDE? with the new ATA100 interface cant someone make a 10,000RPM drive? is it really that hard? if those fast SCSI drives been out for so long why cant an IDE come out? For normal usage other then for games the HD is the bottleneck of the system, other then video for people that want 10,000 FPS from quake.
 
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they wana make enough money on the 10000rpm region before letting the ATA use it

as you can see, the ATA is really pushing into the speed of SCSI badly

(if u try raid 0 two IBM 75GXP drives, i think it actually kicks a SINGLE Seagate X15 Cheetah at some point)

if they release the ATA 10000rpm drive now, there will be no market for the SCSI (at least the speed 'advantage' of scsi is largely diminsihed)
 
Money,money,money. Thats what is holding them back. They're still making money off of an outdated technology so why bother bringing out the new goods before they soak us for everything we are worth? Its that way withall hardware in this industry and many other industries for that matter. But i will say that the computer industry is the biggest culprit in this practice.
 
not that scsi is old

just that the performance difference between the two keeps decreasing and it is getting to a point where the benefit of scsi will not be enough to justify its cost if the 10000rpm ATA drives are released
 
>>with the new ATA100 interface cant someone make a 10,000RPM drive?

The same reason that Toyota does not put a V-8 in the Corolla.

While the drive rpm is one important factor for a fast drive, it really takes a SCSI bus to make a fast drive subsystem. If you are a power user, you can never return to an UDMA system once you try the Ultra160.

 
The SCSI/IDE issue is not just about performance its about reliability. SCSI drives are designed for extreme 24/7 use in servers and mainframes. IDE are Consumer level drives with consumer level useage and reliability. If you have ever experienced a server or mainframe beating the crap out of a SCSI drive 24/7 you will know why you pay the extra bucks.
 
I'm all SCSI now and would never go back to IDE, even if it was close on speed. SCSI has other advantages apart from speed.

For a system with maybe 3-4 devices ( 2 Hard drivers and DVD), then it provides a good solution at a good cost. Otherwise SCSI is the way to go. Maybe Serial ATA will change this.
 
What's holding it back? Nothing really, the basic drive can be engineered to work with either the SCSI or EIDE interface.

Then why isn't it here? Because only tech-heads like us want it.
The majority of computer users are still getting by just fine
with 5400rpm drives, and the advances in areal density and
reliability on those make them come out in faster models than
were available a few years ago. Its cheaper and easier to mass-produce and sell 5400rpm drives than 7200rpm. When the need
for 7200rpm drives becomes the baseline, then we will start to
see these companies concentrate on 10000rpm for the high end.
Right now, they are more concerned with capacity than speed.

Hard drives may seem slow compared to CPU, memory, and video, but
they are still the fastest mass storage devices connected to the
system. As the demand for ATA-100/Ultra160 devices grows, then
you will start to see the drive makers concentrate on pushing
the throughput more.

 
i still want one of those drives that are made out of a roll of tape, and can hold a few terrabytes and read and write at a gig or so (if my memory serves me right) it uses a special type of tape and records to it using a special type of light
 
xtreme2k....try RAID 0'ing 2-4 or even up to 60 (get a DPT 4 channel controller) 10k or 15 k drives, I have a 15k and 2 10k's RAID'ed now off of a DPT card (15k is new, and the 10k's are from work, they upgraded to 15k's, found the DPT at a mom and pop computer stroe that was having a going out of business sale 🙂) It runs FAST...when I boot 98SE, all my apps load up before the SBlive sound has finished playing... Have to try 2k...just got the setup yesterday, and wanted to dual boot...I just need to find how to beat that 32GB problem with 2k...

Edit: However money is still an issuse, since they (manuf's) can charge a premium for SCSI drives.
 
i know raid'ing scsi is fast
but there always come the $ problem

wat i was saying is that IDE does give good performance for itz price

getting 'high' end IDE and raid them actually out performs low to even mid end scsi Single drivers... that is wat i am saying

 
It's prolly a noise issue. 10K disks tend to be noisy, hot sumbiches; a good trait in a woman, a bad one in a drive. Sorta like the POS Seagate 7200RPM drive that I bought two years ago 😛.

It isn't about IDE vs. SCSI, it's about cost/noise/heat. Once they get these issues nailed down, we'll see them on the shelves.

If you really want it now, crack open your IDE and bolt a high-RPM electric motor (the ones from hobby race car kits) to the top of the spindle. Can you say 25,000 RPM? w00t!
 
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