What's happening to our world?

AmbitV

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I was listening to Bob Dole speak at the WW II memorial ceremony, as he described the rations people had to work with back then ? there was no meat, no gas, no coffee, no butter, no salt, no sugar, etc. The people at home were making real sacrifices - supporting the war effort while living without what many of us now take for granted. And of course millions of Americans made the ultimate sacrifice, giving up their lives in service to their country.

These people were indeed the Greatest Generation. But what eventually came of all their hard work and sacrifice?

On the economic front, a low savings rate combined with excessive defense spending leads to lower productivity and slower economic growth. While extolling the virtues of our modern economic engine, people forget that women have been forced out of the home to support their families. The stealthy outcome of the modern economy has been a decline in real wages. Liberals and conservatives like to debate endlessly about this, but the surprising fact is that both sides are right ? corporations and the modern welfare state are both to blame for the current sad state of affairs.

With the women out working, the nuclear family has been obliterated, and traditional family values have gone down with it. Divorces and illegitimacy are rising at a rapid pace, and abortions are now commonplace.

As modern society has become more educated, scientific theories have completely replaced morality and personal responsibility. While I am an atheist, Darwin?s theories have led to a decline in religion, which undoubtedly accounts for much of the moral decay that has taken place. Einstein?s relativism has led to moral relativism, which has replaced God?s moral absolutes. Genetics and modern psychology have weakened the motivation for individuals to take responsibility for their own actions. More and more, we view one?s life not as the outcome of his own deliberations, but as the result of his DNA and upbringing. One?s actions are not attributed to his own choices, but to his hereditary and social background.

Thus, today we have the Worst Generation ? a product of the precipitous decline of traditional morality and ethics in Western society. The modern Wanker knows no self-discipline nor sacrifice. But above all, he is characterized by a self-centered attitude that aims to derive as much personal pleasure as possible while shirking all responsibility for any moral wrongdoing that he incurs in pursuit of this pleasure. Sex with as many partners as possible takes priority over family, leading to child neglect. Drugs and alcohol feed an insatiable hedonistic appetite, leading to crime and abuse. On the one hand you have corporate greed at an all time high, squeezing American communities and the environment for every last drop in the pursuit of profits. On the other hand, you have drug addicts and single mothers with 10 children living off welfare. In all cases, the goal is to feed the ego and satisfy the endless pursuit of self-pleasure.

The modern American is marked by a disregard, perhaps even a disdain, for his fellow human beings. He has forgotten the hardship and the sacrifices of the Greatest Generation that came before him. The Greatest Generation took on the personal responsibility of making this world a better place. This weekend, we honor those brave men and women who served their country so honorably during the world?s darkest hour. Yet they are best honored not by a new memorial, ceremonies, or parades, but by a new generation that ensures their lives were not in vain - a generation that takes moral responsibility for its actions and that is willing to sacrifice self for the sake of family and fellow man.
 

MacBaine

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The latest generation hasn't had a major conflict to alter their perspective of mankind, as previous generations have had with WWI and WWII. It's kind of stupid to ask "what has happened to modern society", because when you look at it, modern people haven't been through the same things that previous generations have. There has not been a major, Earth shattering event in the last 50+ years to make people stop and think of somebody other than theirselves. Not even 9/11 or the War in Iraq come close to WWII and the like. Sure, lots of people died, but if you look at it on a grander scale, it's a relatively small event compared to world wars. Not many people were personally affected, as compared to WWII where a vast majority of families in the US had men off at war.

It's simply a matter of world events. In a way, terrible events are good for humanity.
 

DAGTA

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I agree with everything said there except the part about Einstein's theories of relativity. I don't see how his theories have anything to do with the moral decline of this country.
 

Ronstang

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The simple answer to your question is Liberals....that is what has happened to this country over the last 60 years and they have been slowly giving this country away the whole time. I'm wa too tired to go into detail so everyone just use your imagination while I get some sleep.
 

Rainsford

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Jesus Tapdancing Christ, do you listen to yourself when you talk, or do you just kind of drift in and out? You just pull all this stuff from God only knows where and parade it around like it was written in stone. I hate to break it to you, but I think the world is moving towards a better place than it has been.

Yes, the "greatest generation" won WWII...and in the process imprisoned lots of hard working Americans who just happened to be Japanese for the sole crime of being Japanese. Yes, they defeated the Japanese, by giving us the proud distinction of being the one and only country in the world to have used nuclear weapons against our enemies. Oh, and in the process we killed thousands of innocent people and doomed many more to slow deaths from radiation poisoning. I'm not saying we weren't justified in some way, but the "greatest generation" myth can't just ignore what wasn't so great.

JMHO of course, but you sound like you're selling something.
 

nageov3t

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I think that the Vietnam war changed things more than anything else.

Our parents grew up disillusioned with the government, and passed that scepticism onto my generation.
 

sonambulo

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: sonambulo
jesus tapdancing christ. stop watching tv and go outside.

Heh, the funny part is I typed the start of my post before I saw yours :p

heh. no you didnt. edit it out or look like a fool....i'm not joking.
 

PCTweaker5

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My answer is that God IS for real! We are nearing the end of the world and I see it in everyday life. Life isnt worth living if there isnt an ultimate creator or an afterlife of happiness. I would have killed myself by now if I knew for a fact that there isnt a God but I strongly and always will believe there is. I believe that there are other beings like God in the universe created by some intelligent force and they are all assigned to different parts of the universe to create and expand. Maybe there are aliens and other organisms and they are a creation of another God. I have some weird thoughts but its hard to imagine where it all started but there has to be a reason for whats out there and I find it hard to believe that something can just create itself. What created God and what created whatever created God and so on? These are the questions that put everyones mind in a state of amazement and curiosity. Maybe there is no God but in my mind and heart I strongly believe there is one and if it so happens there isnt one my faith will be there just in case.
 

rubix

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the world is the "same" as it has always been, complete with large of amounts people complaining and thinking everything is falling apart and society is decaying. the whole thing is stupid. the end.
 

beer

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Dcecline in wages? Less earning power?

Houses back then weren't fitted with central air, heat, natural gas, with fscking thermal windows. Cars back then didn't have $1500 worth of airbags and engines with hundeds of pages of CAD design just to make them meet federal efficiency standards. People didn't buy microwaves, washers, dryers, dishwashers as necessessities, even the modern-day fridge was unheard of then. People have less buying power now because they buy tons of things that earlier generations didn't. In reality, when it comes to fuel and food, we have much more earning power - just having to deal with things like insurance, etc, make it kinda hard and give the illusion of dimished earning power.
 

AmbitV

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
I agree with everything said there except the part about Einstein's theories of relativity. I don't see how his theories have anything to do with the moral decline of this country.

Not saying his theories directly led to immorality. It's just that, in my view, his theories have led more generally to a kind of relative thinking in day to day life.

E.g. Iraqui prisoner abuse is okay, because at least they didn't get behaaded like the American
 

bandana163

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"scientific theories have completely replaced morality and personal responsibility"
What do you mean???
 

AmbitV

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Originally posted by: Vaerilis
"scientific theories have completely replaced morality and personal responsibility"
What do you mean???

I mean that the gradual yet inexorable decay in social and cultural values can be attributed in part to modern scientific theories that have influenced our way of thinking. I expoound my views in the rest of the paragraph.
 

AmbitV

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Originally posted by: beer
Dcecline in wages? Less earning power?

Houses back then weren't fitted with central air, heat, natural gas, with fscking thermal windows. Cars back then didn't have $1500 worth of airbags and engines with hundeds of pages of CAD design just to make them meet federal efficiency standards. People didn't buy microwaves, washers, dryers, dishwashers as necessessities, even the modern-day fridge was unheard of then. People have less buying power now because they buy tons of things that earlier generations didn't. In reality, when it comes to fuel and food, we have much more earning power - just having to deal with things like insurance, etc, make it kinda hard and give the illusion of dimished earning power.

Yes we have more necessities now, but we also have many more luxuries. We need airbags now, but we also want that SUV or second car. Now "necessities" are defined by whatever the Joneses have, and the wife is forced to get a job in order to afford them.
 

CubicZirconia

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Originally posted by: Vaerilis
"scientific theories have completely replaced morality and personal responsibility"
What do you mean???

What he means is "bla bla bla philisophical nonsense yadda yadda yadda bla bla bla...."

Note: this isn't meant as disrespect towards any particular generation
 

Kadarin

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While I am an atheist, Darwin?s theories have led to a decline in religion, which undoubtedly accounts for much of the moral decay that has taken place. Einstein?s relativism has led to moral relativism, which has replaced God?s moral absolutes.

Once I got to this point, I dismissed you as an intellectual lightweight and stopped reading.
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: AmbitV
Originally posted by: beer
Dcecline in wages? Less earning power?

Houses back then weren't fitted with central air, heat, natural gas, with fscking thermal windows. Cars back then didn't have $1500 worth of airbags and engines with hundeds of pages of CAD design just to make them meet federal efficiency standards. People didn't buy microwaves, washers, dryers, dishwashers as necessessities, even the modern-day fridge was unheard of then. People have less buying power now because they buy tons of things that earlier generations didn't. In reality, when it comes to fuel and food, we have much more earning power - just having to deal with things like insurance, etc, make it kinda hard and give the illusion of dimished earning power.

Yes we have more necessities now, but we also have many more luxuries. We need airbags now, but we also want that SUV or second car. Now "necessities" are defined by whatever the Joneses have, and the wife is forced to get a job in order to afford them.

Many of us don't. I think you're exaggerating a bit. I agree with Rubix's comments wholeheartedly.
 

PCTweaker5

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
While I am an atheist, Darwin?s theories have led to a decline in religion, which undoubtedly accounts for much of the moral decay that has taken place. Einstein?s relativism has led to moral relativism, which has replaced God?s moral absolutes.

Once I got to this point, I dismissed you as an intellectual lightweight and stopped reading.

Good decision!