What's Dead?

GeezerMan

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not too cheery to read.


Thursday, March 5. 2009
Posted by Karl Denninger in Editorial at 09:57
What's Dead (Short Answer: All Of It)

Just so you have a short list of what's at stake if Washington DC doesn't change policy here and now (which means before the collapse in equities comes, which could start as soon as today, if the indicators I watch have any validity at all. For what its worth, those indicators are painting a picture of the Apocalypse that I simply can't believe, and they're showing it as an imminent event - like perhaps today imminent.)

* All pension funds, private and public, are done. If you are receiving one, you won't be. If you think you will in the future, you won't be. PBGC will fail as well. Pension funds will be forced to start eating their "seed corn" within the next 12 months and once that begins there is no way to recover.
* All annuities will be defaulted to the state insurance protection (if any) on them. The state insurance funds will be bankrupted and unable to be replenished. Essentially, all annuities are toast. Expect zero, be ecstatic if you do better. All insurance companies with material exposure to these obligations will go bankrupt, without exception. Some of these firms are dangerously close to this happening right here and now; the rest will die within the next 6-12 months. If you have other insured interests with these firms, be prepared to pay a LOT more with a new company that can't earn anything off investments, and if you have a claim in process at the time it happens, it won't get paid. The probability of you getting "boned" on any transaction with an insurance company is extremely high - I rate this risk in excess of 90%.
* The FDIC will be unable to cover bank failure obligations. They will attempt to do more of what they're doing now (raising insurance rates and doing special assessments) but will fail; the current path has no chance of success. Congress will backstop them (because they must lest shotguns come out) with disastrous results. In short, FDIC backstops will take precedence even over Social Security and Medicare.
* Government debt costs will ramp. This warning has already been issued and is being ignored by President Obama. When (not if) it happens debt-based Federal Funding will disappear. This leads to....
* Tax receipts are cratering and will continue to. I expect total tax receipts to fall to under $1 trillion within the next 12 months. Combined with the impossibility of continued debt issue (rollover will only remain possible at the short duration Treasury has committed to over the last ten years if they cease new issue) a 66% cut in the Federal Budget will become necessary. This will require a complete repudiation of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, a 50% cut in the military budget and a 50% across-the-board cut in all other federal programs. That will likely get close.
* Tax-deferred accounts will be seized to fund rollovers of Treasury debt at essentially zero coupon (interest). If you have a 401k, or what's left of it, or an IRA, consider it locked up in Treasuries; it's not yours any more. Count on this happening - it is essentially a certainty.
* Any firm with debt outstanding is currently presumed dead as the street presumption is that they have lied in some way. Expect at least 20% of the S&P 500 to fail within 12 months as a consequence of the complete and total lockup of all credit markets which The Fed will be unable to unlock or backstop. This will in turn lead to....
* The unemployed will have 5-10 million in direct layoffs added within the next 12 months. Collateral damage (suppliers, customers, etc) will add at least another 5-10 million workers to that, perhaps double that many. U-3 (official unemployment rate) will go beyond 15%, U-6 (broad form) will reach 30%.
* Civil unrest will break out before the end of the year. The Military and Guard will be called up to try to stop it. They won't be able to. Big cities are at risk of becoming a free-fire death zone. If you live in one, figure out how you can get out and live somewhere else if you detect signs that yours is starting to go "feral"; witness New Orleans after Katrina for how fast, and how bad, it can get.

The good news is that this process will clear The Bezzle out of the system.

The bad news is that you won't have a job, pension, annuity, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and, quite possibly, your life.

It really is that bleak folks, and it all goes back to Washington DC being unwilling to lock up the crooks, putting the market in the role it has always played - that of truth-finder, no matter how destructive that process is.

Only immediate action from Washington DC, taking the market's place, can stop this, and as I get ready to hit "send" I see the market rolling over again, now down more than 3% and flashing "crash imminent" warnings. You may be reading this too late for it to matter.
 

Slew Foot

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IS that it? Whew,I thought things were going to get bad.


Its OK, the bailout will be a boon to the world.

 

alien42

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"Civil unrest will break out before the end of the year. The Military and Guard will be called up to try to stop it. They won't be able to. Big cities are at risk of becoming a free-fire death zone. If you live in one, figure out how you can get out and live somewhere else if you detect signs that yours is starting to go "feral"; witness New Orleans after Katrina for how fast, and how bad, it can get."

now that is golden, especially when stated as fact.
 

StageLeft

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Sep 29, 2000
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It gets more hysterical as it goes on. The odds are still not in its favor but considering where this economy is going and has been going, it's going in this direction. The real question is at what point will the economic collapse that we're very much under now stop.

EDIT: and yes, I do expect it to stop before I'm manning my kid's bedroom window with deer slugs as I try to pick off roving gangmembers.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: Pocatello
Ah yes, the sky is falling.

Have you noticed the jobloss/dow tanking/trillionsgiventoshittycompaniesthatburnthroughit/consumer confidense numbers?

The S is hitting the fan right now dood.
 

Jack Flash

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Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Ah yes, the sky is falling.

Have you noticed the jobloss/dow tanking/trillionsgiventoshittycompaniesthatburnthroughit/consumer confidense numbers?

The S is hitting the fan right now dood.

Have you noticed the business cycle? The world didn't end in the great depression, it's not ending now either.

Bookmarked for later.
 

Sacrilege

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Originally posted by: alien42
"Civil unrest will break out before the end of the year. The Military and Guard will be called up to try to stop it. They won't be able to. Big cities are at risk of becoming a free-fire death zone. If you live in one, figure out how you can get out and live somewhere else if you detect signs that yours is starting to go "feral"; witness New Orleans after Katrina for how fast, and how bad, it can get."

now that is golden, especially when stated as fact.

Oh no the minorities will rise up!!!!
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: GeezerMan
* Civil unrest will break out before the end of the year. The Military and Guard will be called up to try to stop it. They won't be able to. Big cities are at risk of becoming a free-fire death zone. If you live in one, figure out how you can get out and live somewhere else if you detect signs that yours is starting to go "feral"; witness New Orleans after Katrina for how fast, and how bad, it can get.

Umm, New Orleans wasn't *that* bad...

I've been through one total economic collapse, and I can last through another.
 

boomerang

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I don't see anything there that isn't plausible or probable. It's just taking our current situation and extrapolating it out to its logical conclusion.

Yes, the current administration inherited a problem. But their notion that they can take on every problem, every situation, prepare for every scenario and do it all at the same time reeks of their inexperience. The idea that the government is the answer to all problems, is ludicrous and history shows us it doesn't work.

But they're young and choose to ignore those lessons. They can't prioritize. Like children in a candy store, they run willy-nilly to and fro grabbing at everything they can get their hands on. Instead of prioritizing and tackling our problems head on, the most important thing was to get a decades long wish list of social programs and pork in place, jump on their jets and take a vacation.

Keep track of Congress. When they stop showing up they're getting their families out. That will be the sign that the collapse is imminent.

The revolution will not be televised.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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This is the kind of overly Optomistic fluff that irks me! :|:laugh:

eh, hmm, sounds like another Suicidal Nutter to me. Someone eagerly waiting for the World to turn to shit so they cans say, "I told you so!". If it does, "Whoopty doo, our life sucks, but you're happy cause you called it. Congrats?" :eek:

Not that it isn't out of the realm of possibility, but it seems rather foolish to welcome the New Dark Age without at least focussing Energy first on avoiding it.
 

Pocatello

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It's been a while since the Democrats have power. Now they're doing whatever they can to push their agendas.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Pocatello
It's been a while since the Democrats have power. Now they're doing whatever they can to push their agendas.

Funny you say that, because that's what New Governments do no matter what their place on the Political Spectrum. So stating it is just stating the obvious.

That said, their Agenda has been largely put on the back burner as this crisis needs to be addressed first.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: boomerang
But they're young and choose to ignore those lessons. They can't prioritize. Like children in a candy store, they run willy-nilly to and fro grabbing at everything they can get their hands on. Instead of prioritizing and tackling our problems head on, the most important thing was to get a decades long wish list of social programs and pork in place, jump on their jets and take a vacation.
This is true, the administration is trying to take on too much and the cards were stacked about it even before it tried.
That said, their Agenda has been largely put on the back burner as this crisis needs to be addressed first.
Not including healthcare :)

 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: Pocatello
It's been a while since the Democrats have power. Now they're doing whatever they can to push their agendas.
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The democrats are in power because the republican screwed up, and when the GOP under GWB&co screwed up, it did it in a spectacular fashion.

The Obama plan is just round two, still under the GWB watch, Paulson already spent close to a trillion bailing out the banks.

If the GOP had not been off their rocker insane in the last eight years and offered even the usual average bad governance, we would not have a thread where we are talking about a collapse of government, pensions failing, banks all going belly up, a world financial crisis, and these are not your usual partisan warning, these are serious financial experts saying GWB&co dug a hole so deep that its impossible to refill with any bail out.

And now Pocatello comes and tells us this is only just democratic scare tactics to justify their agenda.
 

Socio

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Originally posted by: alien42
"Civil unrest will break out before the end of the year. The Military and Guard will be called up to try to stop it. They won't be able to. Big cities are at risk of becoming a free-fire death zone. If you live in one, figure out how you can get out and live somewhere else if you detect signs that yours is starting to go "feral"; witness New Orleans after Katrina for how fast, and how bad, it can get."

now that is golden, especially when stated as fact.

When the crap hits the fan just where exactly do you think the first significant impact is going to hit?

That?s right major cities, like LA, New York, Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta, etc?. where high numbers of people are concentrated, where food and other life sustaining supplies will run out first. It does not take a genius to figure out that is where major civil unrest will start and be the most violent.

 

Anubis

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tbqhwy.com
Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: alien42
"Civil unrest will break out before the end of the year. The Military and Guard will be called up to try to stop it. They won't be able to. Big cities are at risk of becoming a free-fire death zone. If you live in one, figure out how you can get out and live somewhere else if you detect signs that yours is starting to go "feral"; witness New Orleans after Katrina for how fast, and how bad, it can get."

now that is golden, especially when stated as fact.

When the crap hits the fan just where exactly do you think the first significant impact is going to hit?

That?s right major cities, like LA, New York, Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta, etc?. where high numbers of people are concentrated, where food and other life sustaining supplies will run out first. It does not take a genius to figure out that is where major civil unrest will start and be the most violent.

LA and Detroit have been in this state for years now
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: alien42
"Civil unrest will break out before the end of the year. The Military and Guard will be called up to try to stop it. They won't be able to. Big cities are at risk of becoming a free-fire death zone. If you live in one, figure out how you can get out and live somewhere else if you detect signs that yours is starting to go "feral"; witness New Orleans after Katrina for how fast, and how bad, it can get."

now that is golden, especially when stated as fact.

When the crap hits the fan just where exactly do you think the first significant impact is going to hit?

That?s right major cities, like LA, New York, Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta, etc?. where high numbers of people are concentrated, where food and other life sustaining supplies will run out first. It does not take a genius to figure out that is where major civil unrest will start and be the most violent.

LA and Detroit have been in this state for years now
Practicing.

 

shiner

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Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: alien42
"Civil unrest will break out before the end of the year. The Military and Guard will be called up to try to stop it. They won't be able to. Big cities are at risk of becoming a free-fire death zone. If you live in one, figure out how you can get out and live somewhere else if you detect signs that yours is starting to go "feral"; witness New Orleans after Katrina for how fast, and how bad, it can get."

now that is golden, especially when stated as fact.

When the crap hits the fan just where exactly do you think the first significant impact is going to hit?

That?s right major cities, like LA, New York, Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta, etc?. where high numbers of people are concentrated, where food and other life sustaining supplies will run out first. It does not take a genius to figure out that is where major civil unrest will start and be the most violent.

and idiots like you are usually the first to wind up on the dinner table.
 

Jack Flash

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Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: alien42
"Civil unrest will break out before the end of the year. The Military and Guard will be called up to try to stop it. They won't be able to. Big cities are at risk of becoming a free-fire death zone. If you live in one, figure out how you can get out and live somewhere else if you detect signs that yours is starting to go "feral"; witness New Orleans after Katrina for how fast, and how bad, it can get."

now that is golden, especially when stated as fact.

When the crap hits the fan just where exactly do you think the first significant impact is going to hit?

That?s right major cities, like LA, New York, Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta, etc?. where high numbers of people are concentrated, where food and other life sustaining supplies will run out first. It does not take a genius to figure out that is where major civil unrest will start and be the most violent.

But food isn't going to run out. Just because people won't be able to buy a new iPod doesn't mean the demise of civilization.