What's better to get rid of the belly? Cardio or muscle?

Broohaha

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I'm kind of confused.... I know that my problem is that I'm one of the many unlucky ones who has fat stored first and foremest in their gut. So the trick is to lower my body fat percentage. That means doing cardio and getting real skinny, right? That's option 1.

But I'm starting to hear another alternative: concentrate on muscle gain (i.e. only weightlift and DON'T do cardio since it detracts from your muscle growth) exclusively... the increased muscle mass will "eat away" at my gut. That's option 2.

Ideally I would like to follow the latter... while one of my main goals is to get rid of my gut, another goal is to get bigger and more muscular.

So, can anybody tell me if the second option is true?
 

BigJ

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You can go either way, but one of the most important things to do is make sure you're on a healthy diet. If not, that gut of yours is actually going to grow due to the fact you're promoting muscle growth without losing the body fat.

If anything, I would just incorporate cardio into your routine.
 

boyRacer

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I would do cardio if i were you... but that's just me... since all you want to do is get rid of your belly.

Maybe you can go circuit training... :D
 

Broohaha

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Originally posted by: boyRacer
I would do cardio if i were you... but that's just me... since all you want to do is get rid of your belly. Maybe you can go circuit training... :D

actually i mentioned that while the gut is really bothering me right now, my ultimate goal is still to get big and muscular and whatnot.
 

glen

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You already have muscles there.
The fat is why you can't see them.
"Spot" reduction of fat is a myth, you have to lose it all over.
This means you have to diet and do cardio work outs.
 

Deeko

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Do you wanna build up? Go for muscle. Do you wanna just lose the fat? Cardio all the way. I personally never do cardio...I play enough sports to get my exercise I need, I have no fat, and I want to gain weight, not lose it. And I am, with my current program I've gained 15 pounds in the last 3 weeks
 

boyRacer

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Why don't you incorporate both? Perhaps concentrate on lifting after you've gotten rid of your so called... "gut"... :D
 

yobarman

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concentrate on muscle gain (i.e. only weightlift and DON'T do cardio since it detracts from your muscle growth)


that is not exactly true. cardio does not take away from muscle growth as most people think. weightlifting will make you look better and speed up your metabolism. cardio will help shed the weight. but the most imporatant thing is proper diet.


Cardio: The Final Word?

Q: Okay, some of you T-mag guys write about doing cardio and others say not to do it at all. I?m confused. What?s the freakin? answer?

A: Cardio is only for girls and girly men. Which one are you? Okay, I?m joking. Yes, we all have different opinions here at T-mag, but that?s what makes us so gosh darned cool. Besides, if we were all forced to adopt the same old tired principles we?d be, uh, Muscle & Fitness.

Remember that most people, including jokers who write for most muscle magazines, tend to base their "facts" on what works well for them. If one guy can tolerate a high carb intake, then the diets he writes will likely reflect that and vice-versa. Same goes with cardio. So as with everything else, it?s an individual thing.

That said, the first thing I do when helping someone out with a diet is get them to ditch the cardio. I?m not totally against it, but here?s my reasoning. As I said over and over again in my Diet Manifesto article, the key to fat loss is diet. I see most people making only half-assed attempts to get their diets right and trying to make up for it by doing loads of cardio. Excessive cardio can lead to catabolism (muscle wasting).

The old Bill Phillips standby of "do cardio on an empty stomach in the morning" may lead to even more muscle wasting, at least in my experience. This is especially true if you don?t eat anything for an hour or more after to "increase fat burning." That?s crazy. If you insist on morning cardio at least break the fast. Try one scoop of a low carb protein blend like Advanced Protein 15 to 20 minutes before you run (or bike, or have rough sex or whatever.)

Now, all that doesn?t mean cardio is pure evil. It?s just misused. Once a person I?m helping out has his diet tuned in, I?ll allow him to add in some moderate cardio, say, 20 minutes twice a week. This can be done on off days or added after weight training.

The question also comes up, "Yeah, I understand all that, but what about just staying fit and conditioned? I don?t want to get out of breath just walking up a few stairs." Good point. This goes along with what T-mag contributor Dave Tate called GPP, or general physical preparedness.

Another point that?s brought up is the fact that cardio (and weight training) increases insulin sensitivity. That?s great for those of us that get fat just looking at a bagel. Another T-mag smart guy, John "boom boom" Berardi, points out that it?s best to do this cardio at a time separate from weight training, especially if you need to improve your insulin sensitivity.

Here?s how I put all this info together for my personal use. First, I?d really rather not ride a bike that?s not going anywhere for 40 minutes. So for cardio workouts, or as I call them, my GPP sessions (sounds so much better, doesn?t it?), I use a mixture of boxing, Warrior Training, stadium runs, sprinting and Dave Tate style sled dragging. I do this an average of three times per week, on off days if possible.

My sessions last only 20 to 30 minutes and are never done in a fasted state. If I?m on a hardcore mass gaining cycle, I?ll cut this back to once or twice per week. This is how I balanced out the conflicting info about cardio. It helps me stay conditioned without interfering with my weight training. Give it a shot. I?m very pleased so far with my results. And for those of you that do cardio six days a week for an hour every morning, well, you people need to take up Yoga, TV watching, reading, or anything that?ll get you out of Catabolic City.


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StageLeft

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Only way is to lower your bodyfat. You're a guy so fat is stored there. You can lower bodyfat by cutting back calories or doing cardio, and incorporating weights will give you more muscle mass (which burns calories). Although for a pure bodybuilder cardio can sabotage their efforts for the average guy who isn't in to gain every last drop of muscle possible cardio is a very reasonable inclusion.

To lose the gut lose fat. To lose fat do weights (to maintain or increase muscle mass, which burns calories all the time), and cardio (increase calorie expenditure), and lower calories.

As yobarman's article alluded to diet is more important for weight loss than cardio. You can run on a treadmill for an hour straight (not fun) and burn 700 calories. Alternatively you can take your diet - let's say you're eating a fatty 2700 calories now - and drop it down to 1700 calories/day. If your maintenance level is 2400 calories that loss of food gives you the same calorie defecit as a full hour run. Combine them for best results, but my first step to weight loss is always diet because it's the easiest way to get yourself consuming less calories a day than you use.
 

Miramonti

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From my experiences, having a decent metabolism, I can do either to get in shape and lose some gut.
 

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<I>What's better to get rid of the belly? Cardio or muscle?</I>

stop drinking beer!
 

Broohaha

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Originally posted by: caramel
<I>What's better to get rid of the belly? Cardio or muscle?</I> stop drinking beer!

i dont drink :p

but, on a serious note, is hard liquor as bad for you in calorie terms as beer is? i never hear 'stop drinking alcohol' i hear 'stop drinking beer'...
 

beer

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Originally posted by: Broohaha
Originally posted by: caramel
<I>What's better to get rid of the belly? Cardio or muscle?</I> stop drinking beer!

i dont drink :p

but, on a serious note, is hard liquor as bad for you in calorie terms as beer is? i never hear 'stop drinking alcohol' i hear 'stop drinking beer'...

Light beer (i.e Keystone or Miller) is better for you than liquor. Here's why.

- Each of these beers is ~100 calories, +/- 10.
- Each SHOT of liquor is about 75 calories. But I've never seen anyone that will go to a party and JUST slam shots. Mixed drinks, say, rum and coke...you're taking 75 calories of rum and putting it into 100 calories of pure sugar (coke). Same is true for fruit juice, margarita mix, etc.

 

ohtwell

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Cardio would be your best bet because it increases your bodies metabolism which will help you burn fat. You also have to watch what you eat. :)


: ) Amanda
 

LaLaLand

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Originally posted by: ohtwell
Cardio would be your best bet because it increases your bodies metabolism which will help you burn fat. You also have to watch what you eat. :)


: ) Amanda


MUSCLE would be your best bet because it increases your bodies metabolism which will help you burn fat. You also have to watch what you eat. :)

 

Broohaha

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Originally posted by: LaLaLand
Originally posted by: ohtwell Cardio would be your best bet because it increases your bodies metabolism which will help you burn fat. You also have to watch what you eat. :) : ) Amanda
MUSCLE would be your best bet because it increases your bodies metabolism which will help you burn fat. You also have to watch what you eat. :)

SEEE???? this is what im talkin about!!! i hear different things!
 

SludgeFactory

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Originally posted by: Broohaha
Originally posted by: caramel
<I>What's better to get rid of the belly? Cardio or muscle?</I> stop drinking beer!

i dont drink :p

but, on a serious note, is hard liquor as bad for you in calorie terms as beer is? i never hear 'stop drinking alcohol' i hear 'stop drinking beer'...
Beer carries extra calories along with its dose of alcohol. For the amount of beers that a lot of people have to drink to get a buzz, the calories add up fast. Elemental007 is right about mixed drinks too, lots of extra calories there also.

But alcohol in general is not great for losing weight. Besides the calories, its a depressant -- it sloooows down your metabolism. Heavy drinking will also lower your testosterone, which is not good if for losing fat/building muscle.
 

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Originally posted by: Elemental007
Originally posted by: Broohaha
Originally posted by: caramel
<I>What's better to get rid of the belly? Cardio or muscle?</I> stop drinking beer!

i dont drink :p

but, on a serious note, is hard liquor as bad for you in calorie terms as beer is? i never hear 'stop drinking alcohol' i hear 'stop drinking beer'...

Light beer (i.e Keystone or Miller) is better for you than liquor. Here's why.

- Each of these beers is ~100 calories, +/- 10.
- Each SHOT of liquor is about 75 calories. But I've never seen anyone that will go to a party and JUST slam shots. Mixed drinks, say, rum and coke...you're taking 75 calories of rum and putting it into 100 calories of pure sugar (coke). Same is true for fruit juice, margarita mix, etc.

Where did you get those numbers? I usually take shots of 151, but a shot is closer to 2 beers. What are the calories on 151 shot? I could not find nutrional value on the bottle, just a warning label that its flammable:D

Spac3d
 

LaLaLand

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Originally posted by: Broohaha
Originally posted by: LaLaLand
Originally posted by: ohtwell Cardio would be your best bet because it increases your bodies metabolism which will help you burn fat. You also have to watch what you eat. :) : ) Amanda
MUSCLE would be your best bet because it increases your bodies metabolism which will help you burn fat. You also have to watch what you eat. :)

SEEE???? this is what im talkin about!!! i hear different things!



EXERCISE burns calories while you EXERCISE

MUSCLE burns calories while you BREATHE
 

Broohaha

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Originally posted by: LaLaLand
Originally posted by: Broohaha
Originally posted by: LaLaLand
Originally posted by: ohtwell Cardio would be your best bet because it increases your bodies metabolism which will help you burn fat. You also have to watch what you eat. :) : ) Amanda
MUSCLE would be your best bet because it increases your bodies metabolism which will help you burn fat. You also have to watch what you eat. :)
SEEE???? this is what im talkin about!!! i hear different things!
EXERCISE burns calories while you EXERCISE MUSCLE burns calories while you BREATHE

thanks that makes sense. but im a pretty skinny guy and i dont have that much muscle mass. i mean, when i was lifting regularly i was much stronger than i am now but im not much less bulky, you know? so, my question is, if you're not enormous and are just a normal sized guy, does that lifting-induced muscle, as insignificant as it might be, really 'burn calories while you breathe'?
 

FuZoR

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yes any amount of muscle gained will increase your metabolism, no matter what your size you are.

actully, im no expert so... lol

 

SludgeFactory

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Originally posted by: Broohaha
Originally posted by: LaLaLand
Originally posted by: Broohaha
Originally posted by: LaLaLand
Originally posted by: ohtwell Cardio would be your best bet because it increases your bodies metabolism which will help you burn fat. You also have to watch what you eat. :) : ) Amanda
MUSCLE would be your best bet because it increases your bodies metabolism which will help you burn fat. You also have to watch what you eat. :)
SEEE???? this is what im talkin about!!! i hear different things!
EXERCISE burns calories while you EXERCISE MUSCLE burns calories while you BREATHE

thanks that makes sense. but im a pretty skinny guy and i dont have that much muscle mass. i mean, when i was lifting regularly i was much stronger than i am now but im not much less bulky, you know? so, my question is, if you're not enormous and are just a normal sized guy, does that lifting-induced muscle, as insignificant as it might be, really 'burn calories while you breathe'?
So you're saying you're "skinny fat" ;)

No, you're not going to build much muscle on a diet. A pure beginner to lifting can do it to a degree. Also muscle memory can kick in -- if you once had more muscle than you do right now, you can regain some of it pretty quickly when you begin lifting again.

But the main reason to start to lift (or continue lifting) on a diet is to spare what muscle tissue you do have. Eating at a caloric deficit leads to fat loss and unfortunately muscle loss too. You can try to minimize that muscle loss by stimulating the muscles with weights and supplying them with 1 gram of protein/lb of bodyweight.

If I were you, I'd diet, lift weights 3X a week, and do cardio 3-4X a week. When you get lean, then you can focus on packing on the muscle.