What's better NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS or 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 64MB, AGP?
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Are you asking about image quality or benchmarks? I can provide you with plenty of benchmarks.
Tom's Hardware
Planet Hardware
Firing Squad
Anandtech
Tom's Hardware
Planet Hardware
Firing Squad
Anandtech
actually the image quality on the geforces suck! 2d and 3d. if you are going image quality win good frames, it's v5500. if you want frame, frames and more frames and don't care about the lack of decent image quality well then gf2 is the way to go. personally ati is the best of the lot. not far behind the gf2 according to those lame benchmarks and it's image quality is the best out of the lot.
Hmm, I would say that th GTS is a better option than the Voodoo. Benchmarks speak for themselves.
I have to say though, the sky in Quake 3 looks like crap on NVideas cards.
I have to say though, the sky in Quake 3 looks like crap on NVideas cards.
There's more to gaming life, than benchmarks.
Compatibility, Stability, Speed, Image Quality (2D and 3D), etc...
It might be neat to get over 200fps in Q3 at the lowest resolution... Or to get 64,892 3dMarks... But that won't do you any good when you throw in Deus Ex.
Compatibility, Stability, Speed, Image Quality (2D and 3D), etc...
It might be neat to get over 200fps in Q3 at the lowest resolution... Or to get 64,892 3dMarks... But that won't do you any good when you throw in Deus Ex.
can someone with a V5 or radeon post screenshots from games like NFS pu, home world, age of kings.
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"bwhahaha you voodoo guys make me laugh." --lsd
Yeah sure, I'll get right on that request... NOT!
Yeah sure, I'll get right on that request... NOT!
I would recommend the voodoo5 5500 because I've tried a couple of nvidia cards & I am not impressed. Let's go back in time, when nintendo was 1st released, everyone was impressed, but with nvidia, I don't get that same feeling.
The fact that nvidia has been very successful with recent videocards like the geforce & up, but instead of sharing their success like AMD, awhile back I read somewhere that AMD gave all of their employees a bonus because of the results of their annual statements or something, & AMD is sharing it's success to the public by contantly lowering their prices faster than any processor company has ever done in history.
Now that Nvidia is the king in the current videocard arena, they still haven't learned nothing, 3Dfx charged like crazy when they were king & so the public goes to nvidia & now nvidia is crowned, their going more crazy then 3Dfx did, $499 for the geforce 2 ultra, is the production of the geforce2 ultra so much harder that the price should be $499? they did added a big improvement besides speed? one leaked driver after another, you still see people saying "maybe their fix it in the next release".
Making a all in one drivers makes things easier for them, they don't work as hard, & we don't get drivers designed specifically for other videocards, even thought their releasing newer betas all the time, the tnt2 series haven't really gotten one true improvement, besides a decrease in framerate by adding the new drivers which also add graphical problems.
I wish the G800 from matrox was out already, even though the G400 series have been out for a long time now, & their prices are still high, I don't see anyone having a hard time selling their G400 at auctions for $100+, it's like buying a G400 for a high price but you get 50% back when you sell it, so it's like you rented it for a $100 for using it for a couple of months & they always have drivers that are whql. I think the G800 might show up once DirectX 8.0 is released.
The fact that nvidia has been very successful with recent videocards like the geforce & up, but instead of sharing their success like AMD, awhile back I read somewhere that AMD gave all of their employees a bonus because of the results of their annual statements or something, & AMD is sharing it's success to the public by contantly lowering their prices faster than any processor company has ever done in history.
Now that Nvidia is the king in the current videocard arena, they still haven't learned nothing, 3Dfx charged like crazy when they were king & so the public goes to nvidia & now nvidia is crowned, their going more crazy then 3Dfx did, $499 for the geforce 2 ultra, is the production of the geforce2 ultra so much harder that the price should be $499? they did added a big improvement besides speed? one leaked driver after another, you still see people saying "maybe their fix it in the next release".
Making a all in one drivers makes things easier for them, they don't work as hard, & we don't get drivers designed specifically for other videocards, even thought their releasing newer betas all the time, the tnt2 series haven't really gotten one true improvement, besides a decrease in framerate by adding the new drivers which also add graphical problems.
I wish the G800 from matrox was out already, even though the G400 series have been out for a long time now, & their prices are still high, I don't see anyone having a hard time selling their G400 at auctions for $100+, it's like buying a G400 for a high price but you get 50% back when you sell it, so it's like you rented it for a $100 for using it for a couple of months & they always have drivers that are whql. I think the G800 might show up once DirectX 8.0 is released.
Image quality with the GTS does NOT suck at all, I use a Creative Labs Geforce 2 GTS (well, I used, I killed it) on a iiyama Vision Master Pro 450 (19"
and the text and pictures are beautiful and crisp.
and the text and pictures are beautiful and crisp.I have the voodoo5500 a g-force2 mx and a new Ati radeon. Out of all of them i like the g-force2 mx the best. It plays everything.Im in to watching cool demo's from http://tranzmit.demonews.com/ and the Radeon and voodoo dont play them all or dont display all the graphics on most of the demo's.Orion Purple is one that looks great on the g-force but on the voodoo and the Radeon it dont display all the graphics.The voodoo wont even play it all the way through.The g-force looks just as good as the voodoo.When playing or watching somthing you dont notice the fsaa.Screan shots yea you will.BTW i have the voodoo 5500 for sale now.Is 200 sound good to anyone?I have everything including the box and mouse pad.
"actually the image quality on the geforces suck! 2d and 3d."
Absolute BS. The GeForce cards simply obliterate the competition in terms of 3D quality, the only thing poor that has been said is that if you use texture compression in Quake3, which id has admitted is buggy, it isn't up to par with the other offerings.
Ask SGI about 3D image quality, they pretty much invented everything we have today with 3D technology and THEY use GeForce parts in their workstations. Perhaps you would like to tell them about how poor their choice was?
The Radeon and V5 may run simplistic little games fine, the Radeon is poor and the V5 svcks when you need image quality for high end 3D. A few corrupt textures using a buggy implementation? Why not talk about how poor the V5 displays S3TC textures under UT..... that is my point.
Absolute BS. The GeForce cards simply obliterate the competition in terms of 3D quality, the only thing poor that has been said is that if you use texture compression in Quake3, which id has admitted is buggy, it isn't up to par with the other offerings.
Ask SGI about 3D image quality, they pretty much invented everything we have today with 3D technology and THEY use GeForce parts in their workstations. Perhaps you would like to tell them about how poor their choice was?
The Radeon and V5 may run simplistic little games fine, the Radeon is poor and the V5 svcks when you need image quality for high end 3D. A few corrupt textures using a buggy implementation? Why not talk about how poor the V5 displays S3TC textures under UT..... that is my point.
Ben:
<< Why not talk about how poor the V5 displays S3TC textures under UT >>
I'll assume that was a rhetorical question, right? This is a trick question, right?
and how about this:
the 2d of the GTS is noticeably inferior to both the 5500 and the Radeon.
the 16-bit 3d of the GTS is noticeably inferior to the 5500 (not the Radeon)
and...(go on, get out your technical dictionary) the FSAA of the GTS is inferior to the 5500.
I'd like to know why you say the Radeon has inferior 3d 32-bit. The GTS and Radeon both do anisotropic and trilinear filtering rather nicely. To be honest, the Radeon's 32-bit is, as far as I'm concerned, far superior to either the GTS *or* the 5500. It's FSAA and 16-bit sure suck tho, heh...
<< Why not talk about how poor the V5 displays S3TC textures under UT >>
I'll assume that was a rhetorical question, right? This is a trick question, right?
and how about this:
the 2d of the GTS is noticeably inferior to both the 5500 and the Radeon.
the 16-bit 3d of the GTS is noticeably inferior to the 5500 (not the Radeon)
and...(go on, get out your technical dictionary) the FSAA of the GTS is inferior to the 5500.
I'd like to know why you say the Radeon has inferior 3d 32-bit. The GTS and Radeon both do anisotropic and trilinear filtering rather nicely. To be honest, the Radeon's 32-bit is, as far as I'm concerned, far superior to either the GTS *or* the 5500. It's FSAA and 16-bit sure suck tho, heh...
Robo: Please provide a link that shows nvidia's 32 bit color being beat by another card.
NVidia's cards are less suseptable to pixel popping because of thier far superior opengl drivers.
Besides the S3TC bug in quake 3 the GF2 has better image quality than the voodoo 5. True trilinear filtering, T&L, pretty good FSAA(more accurate colors according to Ben but less jaggie removal).
Also the Radeon is far behind 3dfx and NVidia in game compatiblity and drivers.
NVidia's cards are less suseptable to pixel popping because of thier far superior opengl drivers.
Besides the S3TC bug in quake 3 the GF2 has better image quality than the voodoo 5. True trilinear filtering, T&L, pretty good FSAA(more accurate colors according to Ben but less jaggie removal).
Also the Radeon is far behind 3dfx and NVidia in game compatiblity and drivers.
Doomguy,
Read it and weep...
ATI All-in-Wonder Radeon 32MB DDR - Direct3D Performance - UnrealTournament
Read it and weep...
ATI All-in-Wonder Radeon 32MB DDR - Direct3D Performance - UnrealTournament
I own both the GTS(at school) and v5500(at home) and i would have to say both are fine for me.. sometimes I want the v5 back, sometimes not. It depends on the game. Ultima9 for example is soooo much better on voodoo (glide much?) but GTS is real nice in halflife (can you say 1280x1024=pretty smooth?) i am not one to go around doing benchmarks all over the place but i think it is a matter what games you play. i think GTS might be better overall, plus it has TV-out(mine does anyway) so for video editing or anything.. blah blah blah, you get the idea. just my thoughts. it's a lose lose situation anyway because of Greg's Law (an addendum to Moore's Law which states that the rate of videocard progress is an exponential function of the amount of time you spend on these forums divided by avagadro's number, and then to the power of the number of benchmarks you ran last month.... as you can see by next year there will be a new videocard introduced each day) well anyway you will be a happy camper either way which contradicts what i just said so stop thinking about it and have some fun with your new toy (no purchase necessary*)
greg
*actually most stores require you buy the item before you use it
greg
*actually most stores require you buy the item before you use it
shanehi,the 64MB gts beat the voodoo5 on 32 bit at 1280 X 1024 on the link u give us, just look funny, voodoo5 is the king of glide, but the geforce card still have a chance to beat the voodoo5, and i never see the voodoo5 beat the gst in quake3 even in 16 bit or 32 bit at any resolution, hmmm from the link, i would like to have ati card for my second system, it's look good!
Robo-
"I'll assume that was a rhetorical question, right? This is a trick question, right?"
Yes, it's Epic's fault that the V5 can't display the high quality textures as they have yet to fix the D3D DXTC code. It is id's fault that the GF boards suffer more then ATi or 3dfx, they compress lightmaps which they shouldn't do. It has been figured out how ATi gets around this, they don't compress any textures that are 128x128 which happens to be the size of lightmaps in Quake3.
"the 2d of the GTS is noticeably inferior to both the 5500 and the Radeon."
Only on Trinitron tubed monitors.
"I'd like to know why you say the Radeon has inferior 3d 32-bit. The GTS and Radeon both do anisotropic and trilinear filtering rather nicely. To be honest, the Radeon's 32-bit is, as far as I'm concerned, far superior to either the GTS *or* the 5500. It's FSAA and 16-bit sure suck tho, heh.."
First off it has terrible pixel level accuracy, you can see deviations in the 1% range which is well beyond tollerable for most people outside of games.
It forces 16bit Z in 32bit color which is completely unacceptable, very low end low quality hack to make it look like they can handle 32bit color with good performance. Any situation where you have high poly counts in close proximity you can and often do end up with tearing of the image.
It drops polygons under heavy load. Check out something like ViewPerf or GLPerf, the Radeon will simply miss entire polygons.
Using games to compare 3D image quality is like using 640x480 60Hz to compare 2D, all boards better be able to handle it decently, it is quite simplistic. 3D image quality nVidia is in a different league then 3dfx, ATi or Matrox, ask SGI about it. The VPro graphics chip that they are currently using in their x86 workstations is a GeForce core, the chip is simply superior in terms of visual quality in 3D.
"I'll assume that was a rhetorical question, right? This is a trick question, right?"
Yes, it's Epic's fault that the V5 can't display the high quality textures as they have yet to fix the D3D DXTC code. It is id's fault that the GF boards suffer more then ATi or 3dfx, they compress lightmaps which they shouldn't do. It has been figured out how ATi gets around this, they don't compress any textures that are 128x128 which happens to be the size of lightmaps in Quake3.
"the 2d of the GTS is noticeably inferior to both the 5500 and the Radeon."
Only on Trinitron tubed monitors.
"I'd like to know why you say the Radeon has inferior 3d 32-bit. The GTS and Radeon both do anisotropic and trilinear filtering rather nicely. To be honest, the Radeon's 32-bit is, as far as I'm concerned, far superior to either the GTS *or* the 5500. It's FSAA and 16-bit sure suck tho, heh.."
First off it has terrible pixel level accuracy, you can see deviations in the 1% range which is well beyond tollerable for most people outside of games.
It forces 16bit Z in 32bit color which is completely unacceptable, very low end low quality hack to make it look like they can handle 32bit color with good performance. Any situation where you have high poly counts in close proximity you can and often do end up with tearing of the image.
It drops polygons under heavy load. Check out something like ViewPerf or GLPerf, the Radeon will simply miss entire polygons.
Using games to compare 3D image quality is like using 640x480 60Hz to compare 2D, all boards better be able to handle it decently, it is quite simplistic. 3D image quality nVidia is in a different league then 3dfx, ATi or Matrox, ask SGI about it. The VPro graphics chip that they are currently using in their x86 workstations is a GeForce core, the chip is simply superior in terms of visual quality in 3D.
Doomguy. I just wrote that i had all 3 cards and the 3dfx 5500 comes in last in terms of compatibility. Unless you own all 3 then dont make a remark like that.I own all 3.The g-force has the most.
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