What's AMD's equivalent to Intel's Core + Core duo?

[JumpingJack]

Originally posted by: JEDI
since i've been told Core Duo + Core2 duo's are better bang for the buck than the previous generation of cpu's, i began looking for combo deals.

Fry's has AMD mobo/cpu combo deals. but i've havent kept up w/hardware so have no idea if the combo is a good bang for the buck compared to the Intels.

What's AMDs equivalent of Core/core2 duo?

THX!

There is currently no AMD equivalent to the Core 2 Duo, even the E6400 performs equivalently to a 5000+ - FX-62 class range at stock, and overclocks even better (read Anandtechs reviews on the Overclocking on a Budget).

AMD will release the 4x4 which may close the gap, but their next architecural revision is not due until Q2 or Q3 of 2007, and no info other than CPU specs are known. AMD will demonstrate the K8L (the undground name, AKA Barcelona) by the end of the year, we may have an idea if it will garner the performance capability of the C2D.

Dollar for dollar, clock for clock, and watt for watt, AMD currently does not have anything that competes.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: reset
what's holding me back from switching to c2d is the cost (not cpu). i'm at the mid-range and i don't overclock. switching to ddr2 and new c2d mobo is cost prohibitive for me (at the moment).

when ddr2 (and ddr) prices come down (when??!!!) i'll probably switch over. i know there's an ecs c2d board that supports ddr and ddr2 but i'm not a fan of ecs. till then i'm looking to switch to dual core and will have to stick with amd.

I was in your shoes and I recommend this motherboard as a good transitional board. LINK

It's not the most overclockable board (I have my E6400 running at E6600 speed right now) but it does use the old RAM and videocard stuff like I have right now(PC DDR400 and AGP X850XT) and also uses the new stuff. It's helping me transition to DDR2 and PCI-E while still having a smoking system.

 

[Viditor]

It comes down to:

For dual core,
If you overclock, you just can't beat the C2D...
If you don't overclock, AMD is still the better choice for the low-mid end but C2D owns the mid-high end.

For Quadcore things are much tighter, but if you are:

Using the system without high data flow, the power of the Kentsfield cores shines through.
Using the system with high data flow, the platform of the 4x4 makes up the difference.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Dont forget Celeron D! :evil:

 

[ZOXXO]

Originally posted by: Kur
C2D = $250+ mobo and $150+ memory
AMD = $50 mobo and $50 memory

All depends on budget, yes C2D can upgrade easier and s939 is dying but hey I would rather pay a few hundred less then pay a few hundred more then what I really need. (I'm a gamer anyway.)

Who are you trying to kid? The cheapest C2D mobo is around one thousand dollars and they put AMD mobos in the bottom of breakfast cereal boxes.:roll:

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: ZOXXO

Originally posted by: Kur
C2D = $250+ mobo and $150+ memory
AMD = $50 mobo and $50 memory

All depends on budget, yes C2D can upgrade easier and s939 is dying but hey I would rather pay a few hundred less then pay a few hundred more then what I really need. (I'm a gamer anyway.)

Who are you trying to kid? The cheapest C2D mobo is around one thousand dollars and they put AMD mobos in the bottom of breakfast cereal boxes.:roll:

LMFAO! Yeah that was a pretty insane price quoting there

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: ZOXXO

Originally posted by: Kur
C2D = $250+ mobo and $150+ memory
AMD = $50 mobo and $50 memory

All depends on budget, yes C2D can upgrade easier and s939 is dying but hey I would rather pay a few hundred less then pay a few hundred more then what I really need. (I'm a gamer anyway.)

Who are you trying to kid? The cheapest C2D mobo is around one thousand dollars and they put AMD mobos in the bottom of breakfast cereal boxes.:roll:

LMFAO! Yeah that was a pretty insane price quoting there

If you run stock type settings and basic PC5300 will work then I have seen 1gb for around 100-110 bucks....

MObos I have seen a few in the 110-116 range, including a great budget ocer like the S3 from gigabyte that can do close to 500fsb...

AMD is not much of any competition right now. The only time I would even recommend an AMD right now is if the person already has a sckt 939 mobo capable of running a dual core and wants to upgrade just the cpu...

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Mustanggt

Originally posted by: n7
If you don't OC at all, AMD is still an excellent option.

E6600+ > all AMD options, but the 4800/5000+ generally beat the E6400, & the E6300 is around 4200/4600 performance.

But if OCing is brought into the picture, then the C2D is the only way to go.

I know alot of people seem to think C2D smokes anything AMD has but thats not true at all just look around at the review benchies the 4800x2 and 5000x2 overclocked beat the 6300 intel easy.
Now if you overclock the 6300 thats where AMD is slower.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=432&model2=464&chart=189

Check this link out...

Basically the E6600 beats the FX62 in about 85% of all the benches and in some cases by 10-20% still....I think 2.2-2.25ghz would be equal to AMD's 2.8ghz....

IN that case mt E6600 at 3.26ghz would need an AMD close to 4ghz to beat it...That aint happening anytime soon. Now I am sure the cache makes a differencein some of the apps...The reason there is no 6500 option for INtel is they feel the added cache makes the E6600 a much better chip then just the 12% gain in clock speed.

My E6300 at 3.4ghz would still need a 4ghz AMD to beat it....

 

[ChiPCGuy]

If you want the best bang for the buck CPU out there, the E6600 cannot be touched. It is on par, or beats in some cases, the FX-62. Go E6700 or E6800 and at STOCK speeds you beat anything AMD has out currently. I am talking stock speeds here, not taking into account what can be done with overclocking.

As for single core operation, it is REALLY hard to beat a $109 Athlon64 3800+ or $199 FX-55. When it comes to single core CPUs, AMD is where it is at for price/performance. The moment you get into dual cores, the C2D simply rules the planet and will for some time to come.

 

[HurleyBird]

Core 2 > AMD64 = Core

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: ChiPCGuy
If you want the best bang for the buck CPU out there, the E6600 cannot be touched. It is on par, or beats in some cases, the FX-62. Go E6700 or E6800 and at STOCK speeds you beat anything AMD has out currently. I am talking stock speeds here, not taking into account what can be done with overclocking.

As for single core operation, it is REALLY hard to beat a $109 Athlon64 3800+ or $199 FX-55. When it comes to single core CPUs, AMD is where it is at for price/performance. The moment you get into dual cores, the C2D simply rules the planet and will for some time to come.

I would partially agree with this...
For Intel (not counting OC at the moment) the only 2 vulnerable lines are the E6300/6400 (X2 is still quite competitive there), and anything based on Netburst...
If you OC, then anything with C2D in it just can't be beat at the moment.

Edit: BTW, this is true for desktop only...
For servers/workstations it's reversed...AMD still rules the top end but Intel is picking up ground fast at the low-mid end.
For mobiles, it's reversed back to the desktop scenario...Intel rules the top end, while AMD controls the bottom end.

 

[mhahnheuser]

IMO folks get a bit to tied up about cpu speed. Given all things are equal, C2D would be the cpu to own, but realistically the best bang for the buck is a component combination of mobo, cpu, gpu, ram, HDD etc, so given that C2D is also generally the pricest system to build, the X2 is unbelievable value in its own right, and a top build with it will not lower its colors easily. If building a system meant compromising on video, for example, i would definitely use the X2. Likewise if i'm building or modifying a pc i'd sometimes rather squeeze in that extra stick of ram, and comprmise back to mono-proc and spend the extra on the mobo so that i can upgrade more easily the next time.

 

[Agent11]

buying anything but c2d isnt very smart right now, i would bite the bullet and wait however long it takes to save enough for the intel system.. you will not be left with obsolete junk as quickly.