what's after nforce?

[theplanb]

What is the next chipset (after nforce) from nVIDIA?

 

[boran]

Well I hope for an nForce which is rock-solid (I have doubts about the solidity from the first nForce .. but offcourse I hope it will be rock solid . i'm an nVidia lover)
also I hope they dump the integrated Video (will be tad difficult tho cous it requires a whole new redesign ...)
and maybe better memory support .. I think it whould be possible to get 4 mem slots on that mobo .. which is more than any mobo offers these days ...
and I hope it doens get TOO expensive

 

[dartblazer]

I thought that one of the main points of the board was that it provided the best integrated video? Maybe the next iteration of the nforce will be a geforce3 mx.

 

[boran]

the point is here that no matter how advanced the integrated video is, there is no way it can be better than an addon card (for the sound it seems that it can be done .. but for video it is still not possible to create an integrated video chipset that is capable of delivering high performance (the integrated MX will be however one of the best integrated solutions ever beating most older cards in performance (vodoo 4 and earlier, and TNT2 ultra and earlier, will all be beaten in performance ... so it is without any doubt a very descent integrated video, it just isnt good enough for the next generation of games (max payne, aquanox, ...)

 

[The_Lurker]

<< the point is here that no matter how advanced the integrated video is, there is no way it can be better than an addon card (for the sound it seems that it can be done .. but for video it is still not possible to create an integrated video chipset that is capable of delivering high performance (the integrated MX will be however one of the best integrated solutions ever beating most older cards in performance (vodoo 4 and earlier, and TNT2 ultra and earlier, will all be beaten in performance ... so it is without any doubt a very descent integrated video, it just isnt good enough for the next generation of games (max payne, aquanox, ...) >>



HOw come you're so sure that an integrated can't be a better solution? AN integrated solution could help create lower memory latency and create better bandwidth between the video card, cpu, and display. And also with the lowering prices of faster and faster ram, they can put out some low latency ram that's extremely fast (Rambus without the latency problems perhaps?). IN the end, you'll get a very very fast video card without the memory bandwidth problems. However, the problem would be the cost of doing this, as well as the fact that it isn't as flexible for upgrades and etc. It's all speculation, but often, integrated solutions are better, if designed well.

 

[boran]

Well IN order for this integrated solution to be better your memory should work on 230 MHZ (so 460 DDR) and it would have to be equally shared with the processor and vid, cous otherwise they will fight and bandwith will go lost also the northbridge should be very intricated (about 65Million transistors (i have taken the Geforce 3's 57M and about 8M more for normal northbridge operation ..) and work at least at 200mhz it will probably also require a very heavy cooling solution (upping the price of the mobo even more (I think a mobo like this would cost around $450 (not taking the expensive 4ns DDR memory into account)
and as for now I haven seen a single integrated solution that was better than an addon card (unless you pick a crappy addon card ..)

the nForce will be the first chipset that breaks with this and will have superior audio than any other audio system (integrated or not ...)
(this is IF everything works and functions as they claim it will)

 

[boran]

hmm I have come with another idea .. you say that integrating will break with the video system latency and bandthwidth problems ...

I have to strongly disagree with that .. when will latencies and bandwith get optimal ?
- if the memory is handled by a special controller made for that purpose (crossbar memcontroller) and the memory is optimised for that typical type of data (block transfer and page flipping code)
AND that memory and controller are integrated on one PCB with less than 3inch of trace lenght between the core and memory

or
- if the memory is handled by a general purpose memory controller made to be able to handle from Exell files to cad programming,
AND you need to travel 5 inch of trace length (measured on my own mobo if they do not change the northbridge and memory position)

I have some more notes on this however :
If your bandwith and latency is pointed at the transfer of data between CPU and system memory and graphic card then I have to tell you that this is not a bottlenek or performance-reducer in any way for current graphic cards (defenetly not with AGP8 being available within the next year)

the only way grahic cards are able to gain performance nowdays (especially the nVidia cards) is by tackeling the memory bandwidth, this can be done by integrating clever memory controllers (GF3) or by upping the memory clockspeed, what I am saying tho is that the clockspeed of the memory in graphic cards will continue to eveolve while the system memory would not benefit from such high bandthwidth (7,6 GB/sec is the speed of a GF2U or GF3 ... this is almost the double of what the neforce has with its dual channels combined ... and it will only go faster in the future so I dont think that there soon will be an integrated solution that can beat these high-end graphic solutions ...

(for the budget consumer (like me ) however these integrated chipsets are like a dream come true (on the other hand .. I just reached the age that I'm allowed to work So I'm earning a lot of cash ($2000 this summer, totally dedicated at constructing a new rig ) so I dont think i'll keep being a value consumer ...