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Can someone link me to one for the 2.4 patch, i want to kill other people easily and i dont want to mess up the talent tree thing.
Whats a good warlock pvp guide for WoW 2.4??
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What? Do warlocks suck now? My friend said they were the best at pvp... if that soab lied to me ill be ticked off.
AyashiKaibutsu
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Gotcha, ive been doing fear with that curse of agony spell and corruption, but what do i do with stat points? Im level 16 and havent used any yet in case i mess up.
CKent
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Warlocks are strong, but rogues are the strongest PvP class. Anyway, spec 23/38/0, eg. SL/SL (Siphon Life / Soul Link). MO is to cast siphon life, curse of agony and corruption on people, then drain life till they die. Of course some classes take a bit of footwork, especially rogues. I haven't played my 'lock in many months, so the advent of shadowstep is something I never had to deal with... but since it was put in, they may simply not be killable for warlocks. Or anyone else, but I digress.
Not that simple at all. Unless they are packing dual glaives, rogues are a minor nuisance for my druid. Sure, if it's 2 on 1 they can keep me stun locked long enough to take me down, but one on one? Not a major threat(barring 1100 iop level gear
). After their initial burst, they can't do enough dmg to even make me drain mana- my mp5 is more then enough to just kite them along will my partner takes care of the other healer. MS Warrior is a much bigger concern- particularly with Stormherald(nerf the d@mn proc rate already!).SL/SL locks are weak to rogues, deep demo however, is not. Using the FelGuard to counter the rogues stuns +fear +nub coil= easy mode, at least, that's how my 2s partner makes it look. That said, MS warriors he deals with much easier SL/SL then when he's deep demo(Felguard doesn't hit plate hard enough to matter much).
Shadowstep is annoyinig, Cheat Death is much worse IMO. I have been offed several times on my mage by a rogue that I had down to 10% health or less when I was still at 90%. Cheat death effecitvely makes rogues have roughly 30-40K hp if they get lucky with it :| Cheat Death is getting nurfed in the upcoming patch. For the druid no biggie, he can't kill anything remotely quickly, just keep my dots and hots up and eventually he will die
You can respec if you don't like how something works. I normally budget about 400G a week for respecs for my toons(mage goes dps frost for BGs, pvp frost for arenas and deep fire for raids, druid is back and forth between tree for raids and bear for when someone needs a tank). To start with, your respec only costs 1G, it never goes higher then 50G(that probably sounds like a lot now, but it is nothing at 70).
I would reccomend you go demo down to felguard to level- making it to 70 demonology is by far the easiest way. It's also quite effective in pvp deep into the arena territory. When you get to 70, you'll need to farm a ton of honor and marks to get gear so you aren't laughed out of arenas by people hitting you once with their wands, farming BGs SL/SL or even deep affliction works well(although demo is still very viable) when you get in to arenas get yourself a good resto druid and see if you like SL/SL or deep demo better. They have different pros and cons, and your play style will likely determine which works better for you.
rh71
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I have both a rogue and lock at resilience cap. 1 on 1 (not arenas, g'damnit) - rogues win easy because of their stuns/interrupts/escapes. Shadowstep is just icing. Facing an undead rogue? Forget it... stick a fork in you, you're done - don't even try.
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Ok im beginning to get the idea this isnt like diablo II where one class is clearly better than some other classes.
I cant kill people with my lock, im level 18, and ive fought about 5 1v1 duels and lost them all. People run up to me and hit me and i die... i cant stop this because they ignore my pet and once they get feared they run out of range of my spells and when they come back i cant keep walking backwards because i need to stay still to cast the shadow bolt to hurt them and i die...
Help me! What am i doing wrong? What should i be doing to remedy this?
I cant kill people with my lock, im level 18, and ive fought about 5 1v1 duels and lost them all. People run up to me and hit me and i die... i cant stop this because they ignore my pet and once they get feared they run out of range of my spells and when they come back i cant keep walking backwards because i need to stay still to cast the shadow bolt to hurt them and i die...
Help me! What am i doing wrong? What should i be doing to remedy this?
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Tips from me (only a lvl 58 lock but anyway)
1. Use your talent points in affliction tree is my advice for that lvl. 5 talent points in Improved Corruption gives you another instant DOT
2. Voidwalker will be pretty much useless in pvp unless your dueling casters.
3. Basically DoT (instant corruption, instant curse of agony, immolate) and fear is your strategy. Do not let melee classes get close to you, keep them feared and DoTed.
4. While they are feared drain life and life tap for more manna.
5. Basically forget about shadowbolting them unless for a finishing move.
6. if they kill your pet do not try to bring it back, you can get them alone anyhow.
And you'll keep losing unless you level up. You don't have stamina to survive an initial burst from other classes, and you don't have any skills or talents to protect yourself.
Apart from not leveling up, there's one thing: walking backwards. Run either sideways or forward, so you'll be going at the same speed as the other guy, and they can't catch you unless they use some kind of speedup or teleport effect. If they can't catch you, you win because your damage over time spells kill them. Avoid the other player like they have rabies and you are on the right track.
After Fear breaks, your first priority is to recast Fear. (It only works three times, every time with shorter duration. They are immune to the fourth successive Fear.) Then refresh dots that need refreshing. You don't really have time to cast Shadow Bolt. Drain Life, once you get it at 22, is more useful.
As for talent points, definitely spend them on Affliction. The key talents are Improved Corruption, Fel Concentration, Soul Siphon, Grim Reach and Siphon Life. At level 50, another good option opens up; you can respec all points to demonology and get Felguard. That is fine too.
CKent
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Resto druid? Debatably the most powerful class in WoW. I neglected to mention it becuase of the spec's reliance on other players in PvP. 99% of WoW players are moderately-severely retarded, and finding a quality player is damn near impossible. And if even if you do, what's the point You sit there lifeblooming the guy who's actually having fun... no thanks.
But I digress. Yes, a resto druid is a good match for a rogue.
Aikouka
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There's a lot of tricks you learn as a warlock. One of the things you should try to do is duel other warlocks and see what they do. It also depends on what race you are as that may provide you a few tricks. For example, when my warlock was level 35, I dueled a rogue using my succubus and easily beat him. How did I do that? Pretty easy to beat a dumb rogue that doesn't know to start a duel running away from a HUMAN Warlock. All I had to do was cast Perception, Seduce him, Fear him, Curse of Exhaustion him and DoT him up.
Also, you have to remember one very important fact about low level PVP... it fucking sucks. Unless you are a twink, don't expect to do well! There are twinks with better enchants than my level 70s (of course, this depends on the bracket as you'd have to be in the 30-39 BGs to see stuff like Mongoose). A twink will absolutely destroy a normal geared player unless the twink is really bad and you're a class that excels at them... kind of like a hunter kiting a twink rogue (which I've done before in low level PVP... it was quite funny). There will almost always be a gear disparity until you hit 70 and start getting the Arena gear and this gear disparity is extremely painful.
I was on the PTR for 2.4.2 and this lock had to be SL/SL with his decent gear to even stand a chance against me as Lawlstep. Note that I was in pretty crappy gear (I was using some of the blue pvp reputation set and the gladiator sword... I barely play my undead rogue), so I had a disadvantage gear-wise. He tried a demo-sac build and I pretty much told him he had no chance against me without a pet. Once he got his succubus out (and didn't sac), he did a lot better.
I never have much of an issue with demonology locks using felguards. Sure they can intercept me, but unless they time it near the end of my stun (so in other words, the felguard's intercept stun lets my stun fade without letting me apply a new one), they won't have a chance. Also, most locks are too stupid to keep their felguard at a distance so they can intercept. In a 1v1 case, they're screwed unless there's some random target nearby. In arena, they can simply throw it at another opponent and then intercept the rogue.
I really, really hate druids on my rogue. The fact that a resto druid can literally just spam noobfire for 1k damage a time and I can't do crap because of rejuv and lifebloom. Of course, I'm used to fighting completely PVP epic'd out druids and my character certainly is not epic'd out (as mentioned above, pvp blues FTL). The lowest I could get a resto druid was about 50% before he was able to get away. I think I kinda messed up though, so that may be why.
I am the biggest Jew you'll ever met when it comes to respeccing. I refuse to respec a character most of the time unless it's really necessary. Hell, I never gave my night elf mutilate rogue puncturing wounds (+15% crit for Mutilate... kinda good), but that's a bit understandable since I don't really play him often anyway. I also won't respec my fire mage from Clearcast Fire to Icy Veins Fire, which is probably better for my gear level anyway as clearcast is insanely good for mana regen (keeps you "out of casting" much more often since casts that cost 0 mana do not classify you as "in casting"). I think the only respec I may do soon is changing my priest's talents around a bit to pick up Holy Concentration. I doubt I'll go full Circle of Healing holy as it's not too necessary in the lower-end fights.
Affliction is easier to level as since it's more mana efficient as you're not always in casting.
Also, you have to remember one very important fact about low level PVP... it fucking sucks. Unless you are a twink, don't expect to do well! There are twinks with better enchants than my level 70s (of course, this depends on the bracket as you'd have to be in the 30-39 BGs to see stuff like Mongoose). A twink will absolutely destroy a normal geared player unless the twink is really bad and you're a class that excels at them... kind of like a hunter kiting a twink rogue (which I've done before in low level PVP... it was quite funny). There will almost always be a gear disparity until you hit 70 and start getting the Arena gear and this gear disparity is extremely painful.
I was on the PTR for 2.4.2 and this lock had to be SL/SL with his decent gear to even stand a chance against me as Lawlstep. Note that I was in pretty crappy gear (I was using some of the blue pvp reputation set and the gladiator sword... I barely play my undead rogue), so I had a disadvantage gear-wise. He tried a demo-sac build and I pretty much told him he had no chance against me without a pet
. Once he got his succubus out (and didn't sac), he did a lot better.I never have much of an issue with demonology locks using felguards. Sure they can intercept me, but unless they time it near the end of my stun (so in other words, the felguard's intercept stun lets my stun fade without letting me apply a new one), they won't have a chance. Also, most locks are too stupid to keep their felguard at a distance so they can intercept. In a 1v1 case, they're screwed unless there's some random target nearby. In arena, they can simply throw it at another opponent and then intercept the rogue.
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Shadowstep is annoyinig, Cheat Death is much worse IMO. I have been offed several times on my mage by a rogue that I had down to 10% health or less when I was still at 90%. Cheat death effecitvely makes rogues have roughly 30-40K hp if they get lucky with it :| Cheat Death is getting nurfed in the upcoming patch. For the druid no biggie, he can't kill anything remotely quickly, just keep my dots and hots up and eventually he will die
I really, really hate druids on my rogue. The fact that a resto druid can literally just spam noobfire for 1k damage a time and I can't do crap because of rejuv and lifebloom. Of course, I'm used to fighting completely PVP epic'd out druids and my character certainly is not epic'd out (as mentioned above, pvp blues FTL). The lowest I could get a resto druid was about 50% before he was able to get away. I think I kinda messed up though, so that may be why.
I am the biggest Jew you'll ever met when it comes to respeccing. I refuse to respec a character most of the time unless it's really necessary. Hell, I never gave my night elf mutilate rogue puncturing wounds (+15% crit for Mutilate... kinda good), but that's a bit understandable since I don't really play him often anyway. I also won't respec my fire mage from Clearcast Fire to Icy Veins Fire, which is probably better for my gear level anyway as clearcast is insanely good for mana regen (keeps you "out of casting" much more often since casts that cost 0 mana do not classify you as "in casting"). I think the only respec I may do soon is changing my priest's talents around a bit to pick up Holy Concentration. I doubt I'll go full Circle of Healing holy as it's not too necessary in the lower-end fights.
Affliction is easier to level as since it's more mana efficient as you're not always in casting.
Anubis
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use this armory as a guide
http://www.wowarmory.com/chara...r=Ner%27zhul&n=Azzurri
Resi to 494 -> Spell Dmg -> Haste -> Stamina is my priority, but it also depends on your team setup.
Your playstyle really depends on your team setup: sometimes you're going to want to put a ton of pressure on the team by CoA/Corruption/SLing everything, sometimes you'll want to control a caster with CoT, other times you'll want to just watch your DRs and maximize your CC time with Fear, and even other times you'll want to focus on Mana drains. I'd make sure you have your 3 main DoTs, Drain Life, Drain Mana, Fear, and Death Coil bound to something accessible.
For mods, Proximo is paramount of course. Any sort of mod that gives you timers and DRs is great, NECB still has DR counts on it even though its outdated. There's others such as Afflicted I believe as well.
http://www.wowarmory.com/chara...r=Ner%27zhul&n=Azzurri
Resi to 494 -> Spell Dmg -> Haste -> Stamina is my priority, but it also depends on your team setup.
Your playstyle really depends on your team setup: sometimes you're going to want to put a ton of pressure on the team by CoA/Corruption/SLing everything, sometimes you'll want to control a caster with CoT, other times you'll want to just watch your DRs and maximize your CC time with Fear, and even other times you'll want to focus on Mana drains. I'd make sure you have your 3 main DoTs, Drain Life, Drain Mana, Fear, and Death Coil bound to something accessible.
For mods, Proximo is paramount of course. Any sort of mod that gives you timers and DRs is great, NECB still has DR counts on it even though its outdated. There's others such as Afflicted I believe as well.
I don't see how people can said rogue is powerful - even with cheat death the way it is now. Every time I faced a warrior - they won 80% of the time. Hunters with their trap will kite me to death. Same with mage. Holy paly/restro druid/disc priest are without saying hard for me to take down when their warrior boyfriend rape me from behind. With the upcoming nerf - rogue will need about 450 resilience to get to where they are now. Since I only join a pvp team (1 week before S4 started) with my bro and me. I will said it, we both suck - no way I will get enough gears to hit that high amount of resilience.
My current gear from bg honor pts only give me ~327(? not sure exact number). Only pieces I could upgrade the belt ~ 30, the trinket 25 (45 - 20) and the ring 16 (still cry because they didn't not offer veteran one anymore) and I will have ~400 or 80% dmg reduction from cheat death.
With the upcoming nerf - rogue will need about 450 resilience to get to where they are now. Since I only join a pvp team (1 week before S4 started) with my bro and me. I will said it, we both suck - no way I will get enough gears to hit that high amount of resilience. My current gear from bg honor pts only give me ~327(? not sure exact number). Only pieces I could upgrade the belt ~ 30, the trinket 25 (45 - 20) and the ring 16 (still cry because they didn't not offer veteran one anymore) and I will have ~400 or 80% dmg reduction from cheat death.
Anubis
No Lifer
Charge the rogues early and trinket is what he normally does, they will either blow their CoS or be hurting by the time they recover(depending on what they have for a healer, pallies can make this rougher). For 1v1, where is the vendor to pick up my epic gear for that? I have never been able to find him
1v1 is retardedly out of balance. Try rolling a mage and go against a tree. It isn't possible unless the tree is absolutely horrific.What's it take, 15 minutes to make enough money to respec at the cap? Based on what you say, it will take you a lot less then that. To each his own, but to be effective in a variety of rolls, almost all classes need to respec.
You won't beat a well played resto druid that outgears you, not a chance. You got him down to 50% at best? That means he likely still had swiftmend and Nature's Swiftness off CD- between the two of those he will go from 5% to full health in the blink of an eye- they also won't use them until they are needed(most people that think they have trees close to dead don't get how hard it is to kill them if played well). Nuke teams can take me out, rogue/rogue or rogue/lock(if the lock has his dog out). Also, dual glaive weilding rogues tend to get me, although part of that could be that the dual glaive weilding rogues I run into in our BG our just insanely good(one of them hit 2100 rating for S4 on the first week in his 2v2 team and broke 2k on his 3s).
Asked my bud about that, he said aff until you hit 50, then demo to 70, then dest to raid.
Aikouka
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Best part about being a mage is stealing your enemy's buffs. Like in AV this almost dead warlock void sac'd, so I stole all of his buffs until I got his void sac and then just fireblasted him
. I probably could've just eaten through it, but it's funner!That's if you want to do more things.... Although, question question question! I've got about 9 unassigned talent points on my Paladin where the biggest problem is I cannot figure out which other tree I want to be my sub-tree. He's currently protection and I could see the benefit to going either way. I'd prefer to keep my faith and not have to respec at 70, although I made a boo-boo in protection, but I'll just live with it :evil:!
He used swiftmend after I finally ran out of ways to stun him :laugh:. I actually didn't run out of ways, I just forgot about my explosives. But If I could get him to 50% with absolutely horrible gear... given a full S2 or S3 set, I doubt he would've lasted long.
There's no reason to waste the respec monies... it's not like Affliction doesn't work. You can go destruction, but you'd need to make around 200 +hit to cap and still have a good amount of crit and damage. Although, just make sure you aren't nub if you spec affliction and ignore Suppression. I can't believe how many Affliction warlocks (that aren't raid geared) that don't have Suppression. Like this one warlock in my kara group didn't have it but filled Trial-Fire Trousers with 3x +8 spell hit gems
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