What's? a good hdtv television for under $1000

Jugernot

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Not gonna find a good HDTV for under $1k... sorry to burst your bubble. If you want quality and size, you are going to pay for it.
 

Tret

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Originally posted by: Jugernot
Not gonna find a good HDTV for under $1k... sorry to burst your bubble. If you want quality and size, you are going to pay for it.

How much would i be expecting to pay for one?
 

conjur

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Toshiba

Actually...Mitsubishi if I was looking to get RPTV but it's going to be closer to $1500.
 

Mani

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Originally posted by: Tret
Originally posted by: EvilYoda
X1 ;)

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Probably referring to the infocus X1 projector. It's a good value, but probably won't have the brightness to stand up to much ambient light, and if you use it as a day-to-day TV, your lamp replacement costs will be pretty high.
 

Jugernot

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: conjur
Egadzooks!   (Why bother?? 4:3 27" for HDTV? I don't care how cheap it is!)

Possibly this Philips

Or this Samsung   (But...it's 4:3, too)

Toshiba...spend a bit more

Why get a 4:3 HDTV? Because HDTV broadcasts are 4:3, and I hate it when my friend watches TV stretched on his 16:9 HDTV.

Right now HDTV is 4:3, but down the road in a year or two they are going to switch from 480p to 720p. Plus DVDs suck on a 4:3.
 

conjur

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, fellas!!

HDTV is inherently 16:9!! There is NOTHING 4:3! I should know as I watch NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS all of the time here at home and had Showtime HD, HBO HD, too, when I had DISH.

Let's not confuse things here.
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
Whoa, whoa, whoa, fellas!!

HDTV is inherently 16:9!! There is NOTHING 4:3! I should know as I watch NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS all of the time here at home and had Showtime HD, HBO HD, too, when I had DISH.

Let's not confuse things here.

HDTV is inherently confusing. :confused:

Upconverted NTSC material will be 4:3 and some tuners (like mine) will claim that it's HD material.. which it is and it isn't. It is when it gets to my tuner, but it was originally NTSC and therefore has all of NTSC's quality problems.

And I agree that the $1K price point is going to be hard to hit. Maybe this time next year.
 

Wag

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Right now HDTV is 4:3, but down the road in a year or two they are going to switch from 480p to 720p. Plus DVDs suck on a 4:3.
You are mistaken. HDTV broadcasts are, by default, 16:9 and either 720p or 1080i. If you meant FOX specifically, they will be going from 480p to 720p in a few months, and the rest of the HD broadcasters (with exception of ABC and ESPN- both 720p) are 1080i.

You can find quite a few CRT based HDTVs for <$1000. All of them are 1080i maximum. Samsung and Philips both make excellent 30" 16:9 1080i CRTs I've seen at Priceclub, Sam's, etc for ~$900. My tastes lean towards the Philips.

You can also find 40" 16:9 1080i RPTVs for the same price. The picture will be nowhere near as good as the CRT though.

Walmart is now carrying some 32" 4:3 1080i sets for ~$700. 2 models specifically, a Sanyo for $649 and a kick-ass Philips for $749 that has component inputs and RGBHV And VGA inputs as well.
Sanyo HDTV @ Walmart
Philips 32" @ Walmart
At this point I wouldn't go for a 4:3 HDTV, but the Philips 4:3 is a pretty good one.
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: Jugernot
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: conjur
Egadzooks!   (Why bother?? 4:3 27" for HDTV? I don't care how cheap it is!)

Possibly this Philips

Or this Samsung   (But...it's 4:3, too)

Toshiba...spend a bit more

Why get a 4:3 HDTV? Because HDTV broadcasts are 4:3, and I hate it when my friend watches TV stretched on his 16:9 HDTV.

Right now HDTV is 4:3, but down the road in a year or two they are going to switch from 480p to 720p. Plus DVDs suck on a 4:3.

both of you guys have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. please stop giving out false info.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: NogginBoink
Originally posted by: conjur
Whoa, whoa, whoa, fellas!!

HDTV is inherently 16:9!! There is NOTHING 4:3! I should know as I watch NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS all of the time here at home and had Showtime HD, HBO HD, too, when I had DISH.

Let's not confuse things here.

HDTV is inherently confusing. :confused:

Upconverted NTSC material will be 4:3 and some tuners (like mine) will claim that it's HD material.. which it is and it isn't. It is when it gets to my tuner, but it was originally NTSC and therefore has all of NTSC's quality problems.

And I agree that the $1K price point is going to be hard to hit. Maybe this time next year.

What's confusing? It's an upconvert! Your set most likely only accepts 1080i (only a few do 720p natively) so the tuner has to output a 1080i signal. Garbage-in...garbage-out, right?

HDTV is 1080i or 720p, EDTV is 480p (FOX does that...DVD is that with 3:2 pulldown from the set or output from a progressive scan DVD player) and SDTV is simply 480i but digital (and, I tell ya...4:3 shows that are 480i digital look a helluva lot better than their analog counterparts).

And...ALL HDTV broadcasts are 16:9.
 

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: conjur
Egadzooks!   (Why bother?? 4:3 27" for HDTV? I don't care how cheap it is!)

Possibly this Philips

Or this Samsung   (But...it's 4:3, too)

Toshiba...spend a bit more

Why get a 4:3 HDTV? Because HDTV broadcasts are 4:3, and I hate it when my friend watches TV stretched on his 16:9 HDTV.


The Phillips he listed has a 14:9 zoom perspective that fits the 4:3 image to the widescreen nearly perfectly chopping a little off the top and bottom. I have a Phillips 30PW8520. I checked the feature set side by side with the 30PW850h and couldn't see any difference. Saved about 40 bucks going with the 8520 over the 850H. Got mine at a Sams Club for $888 before tax. The 850H was $928 at Sams. For a sub $1g HDTV I am happy with it. Includes Svideo connectors, composite, RGB(VGA) CVI(component video input) PIP, aspect ratios of 4:3, 14:9zoom, 16:9zoom, 16:9widescreen and one they call super widescreen the apect ratio of which i have no idea definately wider that 16:9 though. Oh yea that vga connector on the back is handy when the guys come over for a Lan party to. ;) It does 480p and 1080i. As i understand it it will upconvert 720p to 1080i. I have been told that the upconversion looks pretty good although i haven't seen this myself. Here is a link to the specsheet on mine
specsheet. Looks like the difference between the 8520 and the 850H is the tube used. The 850H apparently uses an Invar shadow mask tube according to bestbuy and the 8520 uses a Black Matrix Real Flat tube. No idea which is better.

Just found this on the tube. Looks like mine is also an Invar shadowmask tube. The Black matrix tube is a trademark for a high contrast tube that phillips uses. Here is the desctription i found of it. " Black Matrix High Contrast Tube A method of improving contrast in a picture tube by depositing carbon on the screen between the phosphor dots. Black Matrix screens appear much darker than ordinary screens and are far less prone to picture washout."