What's 9.8 trillion among friends?

[Craig234]

if anyone truly cared about this crap, we could all get together and you know............vote someone who isn't democrat or republican into office...

of course we cant agree on the definition of 3 letter words , so that will never happen

Just what do you mean by '3 letter words'?

 

[sandorski]

Exactly which colossal mistakes has he corrected?

"ing"

 

[Soltis]

/sigh..

Bush blamed Osama!
Democrats blame Bush!

I'm no expert on politics, but I cant help but feel some of the same rules in life can be applied to politics; one being as long as you blame others for problems you'll never come up with viable solutions. If not letting Bush into office would've solved all of our problems then obviously we should channel all of our budget into building a time machine.

Labels like "democrat" and "republican" in this age just seem to be doing more harm than good. What we need are "intelligent", "responsible", and "dedicated" people to take the high road, and move towards getting us back on our feet, not just being right and proving the other guy wrong.

Arguing that some ways of saving money are too small to be worthwhile seems pretty foolish. Ask 1000 people for a dollar and you'll have 1k for yourself.

Raising taxes/cutting spending. They're both ways to get more things done, but at the end of the day, nobody wants to be penalized for trying to be the best they can be financially(no I don't mean by illegal means...), and no one wants to see people sleeping out on the streets with no food. In my opinion though the best and most long-term effective thing we can do for this country is to get more people to be successful. I know that sounds vague, but last I checked population was increasing, but high school graduates were decreasing. I would also guess more people are having children, but less people are raising children together. It's easy to look at general fields and say "such and such is costing us", but at the end of the day it seems the biggest decline in the US has been the general standards of people. I know that also seems generic, but look at it like this; republicans, democrats, CEOs, plumbers, college students, high school students, government employees, actors, drug abusers, drunk drivers, doctors, electricians, all of these are people, and at the end of the day, changing the people is what will change the country. The fact of the matter is no matter who you may blame, it was one person at a time thinking what they were doing wouldn't affect everything else much that got us to where we are today. We need to change that. It probably seems impossible, but the truth is its not. All you have to do is start with you and your own family. I'm sure that also seems generic lol, but the truth is the more people are raised well the less they inevitably weigh or depend on the gov. and the less likely we are to end up with another [bush] or whoever you want to put there running things!^_^

I'm sure these debates will probably go on, but for anyone who bothered to read my post, my hope isn't so much that you vote for candidate A or B next election, but that you realize probably the most beneficial thing you can do for this country is love your family and raise your kids to be good people.

 

[StageLeft]

Yes I can, I have, and it's the Correct answer. Obama has been correcting colossal mistakes, nothing more.

OK, so when will you stop blaming Bush? Do you think he'll still be the reason for budget deficits in, say, 2070?

You seem to be under the impression that democrats care less about the debt because they don't rail on about it as often as republicans, while probably failing to notice that republicans were a lot quieter about it from 2000-2008 than they are now. Some spoke up about it then, but not many.

I think democrats don't give a sh*t about debt. Neither do Republicans; it has nothing to do with who rails on about it but who does something about it. Bush had years of growth and never even came within a solar system of a balanced budget, so his party could not give less of a sh*t if it tried, and none of the dems in Washington now appear to care, either.

Reforming Medicare, which is a euphemism for cutting it.
Reforming SS, which is a euphemism for cutting it (this is less a problem than Medicare and can be tweaked a little.)
Cutting Defense
Cutting non-defense discretionary spending
*Raising Taxes

Yes, probably all should be cut (although I'd pick medicare last, but to be frank defense is a smaller portion than those three; the target has to be on SS at this point), particularly Social Security, if not cut by benefits cut by age qualification. An aggressive increase in qualifying age should be put on the books now to impact those retiring in coming decades. Whether increasing taxes is a good way to adjust here depends on whether you think US gov is already too big or too small. I think NY state, for example, it taxes enough. Period. It should balance its budget via cutting only. No more taxes. Federal budget I don't know.

I think SS tax should be tied to production or consumption, something other than income. It used to take 3 guys, now it takes 1 guy and a robot. The robot doesn't pay SS.

The robot also doesn't need SS.

 

[irishScott]

Going into more debt I mean. What's sad is that China will actually have more modern nuclear power plants than the US at the rate things are going. They're building one of the largest state of the art maglev rail lines in the world, while we got shitty Amtrak.

The Chinese government also tells its citizens to go fuck themselves whenever a new project comes around, and what services it provides are basically there to keep the economy going, the government in power, and not much else. China may get shiny plants and railways, but the average quality of life is far better in US.

 

[sandorski]

OK, so when will you stop blaming Bush?....

When it's no longer his fault.

 

[Fear No Evil]

When it's no longer his fault.

So NOW?

 

[wiretap]

When it's no longer his fault.

So NOW?

Obama's re-authorization of the Patriot Act - Bush's fault
Obama's >$12T in bailouts he ordered - Bush's fault
Obama's appointees to the Federal Reserve who let $9T go unaccounted for still to this day - Bush's fault
Obama's expansion of wars and increased war spending - Bush's fault
Obama's executive order which gives him control over the sovereign 50 states - Bush's fault
Obama's calling for control of the internet through executive order and S.773 - Bush's fault
Obama's calling for control over all private industry via executive order through the EPA - Bush's fault
Obama's calling for control over the private healthcare industry - Bush's fault
Obama's breaking of section 9 of the US Constitution - Bush's fault
Obama's breaking of separation of powers - Bush's fault
Obama's breaking article 1 section 6 of the US Constitution - Bush's fault
Obama's breaking of article 1 section 2 of the US Constitution and 13 USC 4 - Bush's fault
Obama's unappropriated spending to send national aid to foreign countries - Bush's fault

The list goes on.. far too long to list. The bottom line is, he is actually George Bush's 3rd term.

 

[Craig234]

Obama's re-authorization of the Patriot Act - Bush's fault
Obama's >$12T in bailouts he ordered - Bush's fault
Obama's appointees to the Federal Reserve who let $9T go unaccounted for still to this day - Bush's fault
Obama's expansion of wars and increased war spending - Bush's fault
Obama's executive order which gives him control over the sovereign 50 states - Bush's fault
Obama's calling for control of the internet through executive order and S.773 - Bush's fault
Obama's calling for control over all private industry via executive order through the EPA - Bush's fault
Obama's calling for control over the private healthcare industry - Bush's fault
Obama's breaking of section 9 of the US Constitution - Bush's fault
Obama's breaking of separation of powers - Bush's fault
Obama's breaking article 1 section 6 of the US Constitution - Bush's fault
Obama's breaking of article 1 section 2 of the US Constitution and 13 USC 4 - Bush's fault
Obama's unappropriated spending to send national aid to foreign countries - Bush's fault

The list goes on.. far too long to list. The bottom line is, he is actually George Bush's 3rd term.

You make a straw man. There are things that are 'Bush's fault' now, and things that are not. *No one* is saying that everything is Bush's fault, so your naming some things that are not his fault as a rebuttal to the claim that some other things are, is a straw man, pretending that what the other side said is that nothing is Obama's fault, when they did not say that.

(I'll also mention there are a lot of things in a gray area - things Bush did that might for example have changed the culture on an issue afection Obama's options.

There are not clearly things only Bush's fault or clearly not at all his fault, but things with aq connection - like JFK's Vietnam policy beinjg affected by what Eisenhower had done.)

 

[wiretap]

Just making an illustration.

 

[sandorski]

Just making an illustration.

Nice Illustration of Fail.

 

[wiretap]

Nice Illustration of Fail.

Thanks.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally Posted by wiretap
Just making an illustration.

Nice Illustration of Fail.

On your part, indeed.