whatever happened to DVD-audio?

[Onceler]

I for one want high def audio and surround sound from my music discs

 

[Kirby]

Surround sucks for most music.

 

[yinan]

iPod. All a DVD gives you is more storage space. There is nothing inherent in the format that makes music sound better.

 

[spidey07]

Still around along with super audio CD and it's fabulous. And it doesn't have to be surround/multichannel. I'm pretty sure SACD requires a two channel hi res version to be on this disc.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: yinan
iPod. All a DVD gives you is more storage space. There is nothing inherent in the format that makes music sound better.

Completely fail. Compare DVD-A/SACD to even a CD and the difference is huge, let alone comparing to an ipod.

 

[ZetaEpyon]

People can't tell the difference, or simply don't care, when considering audio quality. The proliferation of crappy bitrate mp3 is enough proof of that.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: ZetaEpyon
People can't tell the difference, or simply don't care, when considering audio quality. The proliferation of crappy bitrate mp3 is enough proof of that.

And compression on CDs. Rectangle wave forms FTL.

 

[Saint Nick]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: ZetaEpyon
People can't tell the difference, or simply don't care, when considering audio quality. The proliferation of crappy bitrate mp3 is enough proof of that.

And compression on CDs. Rectangle wave forms FTL.

What are you talking about? I love when my music is smashed to bits to the point of distortion :laugh:

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: NightDarker

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: ZetaEpyon
People can't tell the difference, or simply don't care, when considering audio quality. The proliferation of crappy bitrate mp3 is enough proof of that.

And compression on CDs. Rectangle wave forms FTL.

What are you talking about? I love when my music is smashed to bits to the point of distortion :laugh:

1 for loud, 0 for soft.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: yinan
iPod. All a DVD gives you is more storage space. There is nothing inherent in the format that makes music sound better.

fail on so many levels

 

[ZetaEpyon]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: ZetaEpyon
People can't tell the difference, or simply don't care, when considering audio quality. The proliferation of crappy bitrate mp3 is enough proof of that.

And compression on CDs. Rectangle wave forms FTL.

Listening to newer CDs is seriously fatiguing due to the absurd compression.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: yinan
iPod. All a DVD gives you is more storage space. There is nothing inherent in the format that makes music sound better.

Do you even know what DVD-Audio is? Are you aware that it's an actual format?

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: yinan
iPod. All a DVD gives you is more storage space. There is nothing inherent in the format that makes music sound better.

Do you even know what DVD-Audio is? Are you aware that it's an actual format?

Nuh-uh, I can put my whole collection of MIDI music on my ipod.

 

[MrChad]

The problem is that most people don't have suitable equipment to tell the difference between a CD and a DVD-A or SACD. In fact, many people can't distinguish an MP3 from a CD. While the benefits of moving from VHS to DVD or even from DVD to BD are obvious to most people (and HDTVs are much more commonplace nowadays), audio is a tougher sell. As a result, DVD-A and SACD are still niche formats for audiophiles.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: yinan
iPod. All a DVD gives you is more storage space. There is nothing inherent in the format that makes music sound better.

Do you even know what DVD-Audio is? Are you aware that it's an actual format?

Nuh-uh, I can put my whole collection of MIDI music on my ipod.

Damn kids with their MIDIs and their Minis! :|

 

[jtvang125]

I think it never took hold because it required new hardware to play it. And if someone did have the hardware to play it, it was probably a unit for the home. They can't take it with them so no listening in the car without new hardware and no listening on the go.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: yinan
iPod. All a DVD gives you is more storage space. There is nothing inherent in the format that makes music sound better.

Do you even know what DVD-Audio is? Are you aware that it's an actual format?

Nuh-uh, I can put my whole collection of MIDI music on my ipod.

Damn kids with their MIDIs and their Minis! :|

I'd like to see Tool play 16 instruments and 8 drums simultaneously.

 

[QueBert]

Vinyl > CD/DVD/SACD

Sounds better, and if you take care of it will last 10x as long. I have CD's from the early 90 that won't play right anymore. I have wax from the 60's that plays beautifully still

 

[FeuerFrei]

Many albums are released on Dual Disc. Backside of a Dual Disc cd is a dvd with a multichannel mix of the album. Sometimes simply Dolby Digital, sometimes DVD-Audio, and sometimes only 2 channels... but always higher resolution audio.

I'm guessing popular music is more likely to be released on Dual-Disc than SACD or DVD-A.

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: QueBert
Vinyl > CD/DVD/SACD

Sounds better, and if you take care of it will last 10x as long. I have CD's from the early 90 that won't play right anymore. I have wax from the 60's that plays beautifully still

That's fine if you don't want surround (quadrophonic doesn't count ). Plus, you can take care of it, but the vinyl still wears out after use, no?

[Edit] Plus, a DVD-A/SACD player sounds almost as good between a $200 player and a $2000 player. You can't say the same with a turntable. Quality really counts there.

 

[0roo0roo]

sacd/dvda..killed by drm

higher def audio is definitely what would be nice. value added purchase at the least. but well, the music industry guarantees they'll f*ck up any new music format these days.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: QueBert
Vinyl > CD/DVD/SACD

Sounds better, and if you take care of it will last 10x as long. I have CD's from the early 90 that won't play right anymore. I have wax from the 60's that plays beautifully still

Maybe you should of taken your own advise and taken care of your CD's as well. That second comment is complete BS, you can't make an argument based on taking care of your vinyl and not your CD's.

And the first comment is completely opinion, I actually agree with you and think that vinyl is cleaner. However its not better so to speak, just different. A lot of people prefer digital

 

[Jinny]

i dont care that DVD audio and SACD offers higher resolution.

CD's only have 16 bits and they can't make use of that.
f'cking dynamics compressed to shit.

(yes i know not all music is dynamically compressed to hell and back, but many are)

 

[Juddog]

The few DVD audio discs that I have listened to were amazing. The problem is that many of the cheaper DVD players don't even play DVD-audio, and many of the media stores don't have the music that I like on DVD-audio. DVD-audio can actually cover many different formats: 2 channel @ 192 kHz to full 5.1 surround @ 96 kHz. A year ago when I was looking at DVD players, I found I could get a nice cheap $45 DVD player at Walmart but the cheapest DVD player at the time that played DVD-audio was $150. DVD-Audio cannot be delivered via unencrypted digital audio link at sample rates higher than 48 kHz (i.e., ordinary DVD-Video quality) due to concerns about digital copying. So in the beginning you needed a bunch of analog ports to listen to it, although fortunately they later included DVD-audio sound to pass through HDMI 1.1.

So because of all of the crippling mechanisms built into DVD-audio when it first came on, only the true audiophiles were using it. Once it was finally allowed into the HDMI 1.1 and beyond, at that point hardly anybody was interested in it anyways. The early adopters had to either hack their hardware equipment or feed it through the pre-amp using 6 different analog cables which is a major PITA. Because so few people were using it (thanks to all of the crippling mechanisms put into place), early adoption was slow, and interest in the format has dropped. Because of the general lack of interest in the technology, the recording industries have hardly bothered to release many DVD audio discs. On top of that, if something malfunctions with CPPM, it cripples that player from playing any DVD-audio discs in the future (disables that feature).

It's pretty sad really. The few DVD-audio tracks I have listened to (via dvdcpxm) have been truly superb; at 192 Khz in stereo you can hear things in a song you might not have heard otherwise. The DRM mechanisms are so draconian that even home musicians were put off from making DVD-audio for a while, although there are a lot more tools now in 2008 than the past couple years which finally are beginning to allow it. There are about 200 DVD-audio discs available on amazon.com right now, compared with 1,690,000 CD's. Last time I scanned through many of my favorite artists didn't have DVD-audio available at all.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: QueBert
Vinyl > CD/DVD/SACD

Sounds better, and if you take care of it will last 10x as long. I have CD's from the early 90 that won't play right anymore. I have wax from the 60's that plays beautifully still

Maybe you should of taken your own advise and taken care of your CD's as well. That second comment is complete BS, you can't make an argument based on taking care of your vinyl and not your CD's.

And the first comment is completely opinion, I actually agree with you and think that vinyl is cleaner. However its not better so to speak, just different. A lot of people prefer digital

I have CD's that don't have a single scratch, or even finger print on them that no longer play. Unless you pay big bucks for archive grade media CD's will stop working with time. My mom has a ton from the mid 80's that almost never were even taken out of the cases and they don't work. properly taken care of vinyl will last much longer than properly cared for CD's.