What you dont know about NEW internet laws

[randym431]

This isn?t discussed much, but it WILL hit you hard. The major companies that run and own the internet lines into your home, and into all businesses, want to break up the service into "classes". First class, second class and coach-like. First class would pay huge, thru the nose for pretty much the same service they now get (banks, amazon.com, etc). Second would be those ma and pa .com's and coach would be YOU. And service reliability would be felt i.e. per "class". Speed - greatly effected. Reliability - greatly effected. Bye bye high speed, hello dial-up like service. Do you have vonage? Probably not any longer if your in "coach". The service reliability would never allow things like vonage for home users (coach). Nor your own streaming, websites (except simple ones) or... well... you name it.

This change is in the making, but I bet few even have a clue as to what is about to happen. The companies (like AT&T and the others) that own those lines are pushing this HARD.

I have no link as to this to post. Its talked about on shows that "actually" inform their listeners, like Al Franken. You wont hear this from Rush or on CNN nor Fox. But I'm sure others do have more info to give on this. Feel free...

 

[HombrePequeno]

Where's my tin foil hat so I can join in on this discussion?

 

[Forsythe]

I've heard about this. I can only pray this will never ever happen, as it would be a huge step back to what is the progress the internet has provided.

So i'm saying in a hoping way. This will never happen.

Although i doubt it would as geeks would just invent another internet.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Where's my tin foil hat so I can join in on this discussion?

Nah, it's not tinfoil. I read it somewhere like newscientist.com or someting.

 

[Forsythe]

It's basically the idea that they're gonna sell packages on the internet like they sell channel on cable tv. So you get acces to certain sites, and if you want other sites you pay more. So you loose the essential freedom that is the internet.

 

[BriGy86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9jHOn0EW8U&search=internet%20neutrality

 

[Rispon]

Um, isn't there already packages out there that offer different services? IE speed and bells and whistles given? For example, for $40 you can get 3MB speed and 5 megs of webpage space and for $60 you can get 5MB speed and 10 megs of webpage and so on and so forth? (prices and speed not accurate. Just made up to give an idea of the many packages offered.) Sounds the same just not with the classes makeup.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Rispon
Um, isn't there already packages out there that offer different services? IE speed and bells and whistles given? For example, for $40 you can get 3MB speed and 5 megs of webpage space and for $60 you can get 5MB speed and 10 megs of webpage and so on and so forth? (prices and speed not accurate. Just made up to give an idea of the many packages offered.) Sounds the same just not with the classes makeup.

That is ok the ISP do the samething.

The difference is they want to charge internet hosts. Like if I go to google.com goolge should pay my ISP 5 dollars for the right to use the ISP bandwidth. If google doesn't pay I can't go to google.com but I can got to yahoo.com. Right now all websites are treated the same.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Rispon
Um, isn't there already packages out there that offer different services? IE speed and bells and whistles given? For example, for $40 you can get 3MB speed and 5 megs of webpage space and for $60 you can get 5MB speed and 10 megs of webpage and so on and so forth? (prices and speed not accurate. Just made up to give an idea of the many packages offered.) Sounds the same just not with the classes makeup.

That is ok the ISP do the samething.

The difference is they want to charge internet hosts. Like if I go to google.com goolge should pay my ISP 5 dollars for the right to use the ISP bandwidth. If google doesn't pay I can't go to google.com but I can got to yahoo.com. Right now all websites are treated the same.

Also it might mean the end of porn as we know it!

 

[Rispon]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Rispon
Um, isn't there already packages out there that offer different services? IE speed and bells and whistles given? For example, for $40 you can get 3MB speed and 5 megs of webpage space and for $60 you can get 5MB speed and 10 megs of webpage and so on and so forth? (prices and speed not accurate. Just made up to give an idea of the many packages offered.) Sounds the same just not with the classes makeup.

That is ok the ISP do the samething.

The difference is they want to charge internet hosts. Like if I go to google.com goolge should pay my ISP 5 dollars for the right to use the ISP bandwidth. If google doesn't pay I can't go to google.com but I can got to yahoo.com. Right now all websites are treated the same.

Ahhh, okay, I see now. So, pretty much it will be on the basis of a pay per site use. And if this is the case, then we would most likely either have to purchase new modems to be able to "track" our surfing or some sort of software that would do the same. Either way, it will be more intrusion into our systems and a headache along with paying more.

 

[Rastus]

This fight is not about the internet as we know it now. It's about streaming video-on-demand HDTV. The big telecoms are going after the cable companies. Just as soon as they figure out how to get 30 million fat data streams online.

 

[RichardE]

18 billion a year in commerce over the internet...Expected to grow another 50% a year for the next 10 years, you think Government will put caps on the next major free market? There are just too many major major players in the game right now who are making way too much money off the net for them to allow cable companies to put restrcitions ect.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: randym431
This isn?t discussed much, but it WILL hit you hard. The major companies that run and own the internet lines into your home, and into all businesses, want to break up the service into "classes". First class, second class and coach-like. First class would pay huge, thru the nose for pretty much the same service they now get (banks, amazon.com, etc). Second would be those ma and pa .com's and coach would be YOU. And service reliability would be felt i.e. per "class". Speed - greatly effected. Reliability - greatly effected. Bye bye high speed, hello dial-up like service. Do you have vonage? Probably not any longer if your in "coach". The service reliability would never allow things like vonage for home users (coach). Nor your own streaming, websites (except simple ones) or... well... you name it.

This change is in the making, but I bet few even have a clue as to what is about to happen. The companies (like AT&T and the others) that own those lines are pushing this HARD.

I have no link as to this to post. Its talked about on shows that "actually" inform their listeners, like Al Franken. You wont hear this from Rush or on CNN nor Fox. But I'm sure others do have more info to give on this. Feel free...

So far this is all conjecture....
If there was any truth you would have provided links from reliable sources!

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Where's my tin foil hat so I can join in on this discussion?

Nah, it's not tinfoil. I read it somewhere like newscientist.com or someting.

With people so uninformed its a real possibility.
It has only been discussed and debated for the last six months.
At this point it was defeated narrowly, in the House I believe.
The gist of the change would be to allow ISP's to charge websites like Yahoo or sales sites like Amazon a fee to allow a certain "priority" of service to include bandwidth.
In other words if you want to get streaming video you will be able to get it at one speed on Yahoo and at a slower speed on another site that doesn't pay your ISP for the "privilege".
This totally ends the freedom of the internet.
What is really interesting is the thinking behind it. I have read in business publications that the idea was "how to make more money without actually having to increase bandwidth?" Apparently large high speed ISP's are gaining a dominant share of the market and in essence have a monoply or duo-opoly in many areas . The ISP's don't want to compete by providing faster service which costs more money, but to figure out a way to get more revenues for what they already provide.
While many countries get far more bandwidth for less money than the US, American companies don't want to increase bandwidth, just make more money.

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Where's my tin foil hat so I can join in on this discussion?

Nah, it's not tinfoil. I read it somewhere like newscientist.com or someting.

With people so uninformed its a real possibility.
It has only been discussed and debated for the last six months.
At this point it was defeated narrowly, in the House I believe.
The gist of the change would be to allow ISP's to charge websites like Yahoo or sales sites like Amazon a fee to allow a certain "priority" of service to include bandwidth.
In other words if you want to get streaming video you will be able to get it at one speed on Yahoo and at a slower speed on another site that doesn't pay your ISP for the "privilege".
This totally ends the freedom of the internet.
What is really interesting is the thinking behind it. I have read in business publications that the idea was "how to make more money without actually having to increase bandwidth?" Apparently large high speed ISP's are gaining a dominant share of the market and in essence have a monoply or duo-opoly in many areas . The ISP's don't want to compete by providing faster service which costs more money, but to figure out a way to get more revenues for what they already provide.
While many countries get far more bandwidth for less money than the US, American companies don't want to increase bandwidth, just make more money.

its corporate america at it's finest

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: BriGy86

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Where's my tin foil hat so I can join in on this discussion?

Nah, it's not tinfoil. I read it somewhere like newscientist.com or someting.

With people so uninformed its a real possibility.
It has only been discussed and debated for the last six months.
At this point it was defeated narrowly, in the House I believe.
The gist of the change would be to allow ISP's to charge websites like Yahoo or sales sites like Amazon a fee to allow a certain "priority" of service to include bandwidth.
In other words if you want to get streaming video you will be able to get it at one speed on Yahoo and at a slower speed on another site that doesn't pay your ISP for the "privilege".
This totally ends the freedom of the internet.
What is really interesting is the thinking behind it. I have read in business publications that the idea was "how to make more money without actually having to increase bandwidth?" Apparently large high speed ISP's are gaining a dominant share of the market and in essence have a monoply or duo-opoly in many areas . The ISP's don't want to compete by providing faster service which costs more money, but to figure out a way to get more revenues for what they already provide.
While many countries get far more bandwidth for less money than the US, American companies don't want to increase bandwidth, just make more money.

its corporate america at it's finest

And truthfully I have no problem with companies trying to do this. The free market demands that companies try to do less for higher prices.
However, thats why we have to regulate certain corporate behaviours and duo-opolies.
If the ISP's get away with it, it is because our elected representitives allowed them too.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: randym431
This isn?t discussed much, but it WILL hit you hard. The major companies that run and own the internet lines into your home, and into all businesses, want to break up the service into "classes". First class, second class and coach-like. First class would pay huge, thru the nose for pretty much the same service they now get (banks, amazon.com, etc). Second would be those ma and pa .com's and coach would be YOU. And service reliability would be felt i.e. per "class". Speed - greatly effected. Reliability - greatly effected. Bye bye high speed, hello dial-up like service. Do you have vonage? Probably not any longer if your in "coach". The service reliability would never allow things like vonage for home users (coach). Nor your own streaming, websites (except simple ones) or... well... you name it.

This change is in the making, but I bet few even have a clue as to what is about to happen. The companies (like AT&T and the others) that own those lines are pushing this HARD.

I have no link as to this to post. Its talked about on shows that "actually" inform their listeners, like Al Franken. You wont hear this from Rush or on CNN nor Fox. But I'm sure others do have more info to give on this. Feel free...

Simply look in my Internet Access in the U.S. thread. It's all in there.

Topic Title: Internet Access in U.S.:

I also have personally installed much of the said equipment that not only Tiers the service but also monitors every packet. Enjoy

 

[drinkmorejava]

google ftw

weren't they supposedly building mobile internet backbone trailer thingies that they could drop anywhere and effectively set up their own tier one networks.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Rispon
Um, isn't there already packages out there that offer different services? IE speed and bells and whistles given? For example, for $40 you can get 3MB speed and 5 megs of webpage space and for $60 you can get 5MB speed and 10 megs of webpage and so on and so forth? (prices and speed not accurate. Just made up to give an idea of the many packages offered.) Sounds the same just not with the classes makeup.

That is ok the ISP do the samething.

The difference is they want to charge internet hosts. Like if I go to google.com goolge should pay my ISP 5 dollars for the right to use the ISP bandwidth. If google doesn't pay I can't go to google.com but I can got to yahoo.com. Right now all websites are treated the same.

Also it might mean the end of porn as we know it!

And the bitch of censorship on the internet, which would of course just turn it into another watered down medium that offends no one but appeals to no one as well.

 

[ScudRunner]

Google, and Yahoo will just team up with large ISP's

 

[Jeff7]

Sorry, wrong thread.

 

[g8wayrebel]

Originally posted by: randym431
This isn?t discussed much, but it WILL hit you hard. The major companies that run and own the internet lines into your home, and into all businesses, want to break up the service into "classes". First class, second class and coach-like. First class would pay huge, thru the nose for pretty much the same service they now get (banks, amazon.com, etc). Second would be those ma and pa .com's and coach would be YOU. And service reliability would be felt i.e. per "class". Speed - greatly effected. Reliability - greatly effected. Bye bye high speed, hello dial-up like service. Do you have vonage? Probably not any longer if your in "coach". The service reliability would never allow things like vonage for home users (coach). Nor your own streaming, websites (except simple ones) or... well... you name it.

This change is in the making, but I bet few even have a clue as to what is about to happen. The companies (like AT&T and the others) that own those lines are pushing this HARD.

I have no link as to this to post. Its talked about on shows that "actually" inform their listeners, like Al Franken. You wont hear this from Rush or on CNN nor Fox. But I'm sure others do have more info to give on this. Feel free...

For all tryiing to interpret what was just said , it is true but not well stated.
The premise of this issue is that the providers of content will have to pay exorbitant fees for sending the information.
No matter how fast you can download , the sender will be restricted based on the speed paid for by the sender. Large corporations will spend and pass the charges on to us. Small corporations will not be able to afford to spend , therefore will be slow and unable to compete. Garage businesses will lose the ability to even use the web for upload , and all the personal stuff will be gone altogether. I won't miss the blogs but apple , microsoft , google and many others started in a garage too.
This is a really serious issue for this nation and everyone in it.

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,124926,00.asp

Here is a link for the lazy.

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: g8wayrebel

Originally posted by: randym431
This isn?t discussed much, but it WILL hit you hard. The major companies that run and own the internet lines into your home, and into all businesses, want to break up the service into "classes". First class, second class and coach-like. First class would pay huge, thru the nose for pretty much the same service they now get (banks, amazon.com, etc). Second would be those ma and pa .com's and coach would be YOU. And service reliability would be felt i.e. per "class". Speed - greatly effected. Reliability - greatly effected. Bye bye high speed, hello dial-up like service. Do you have vonage? Probably not any longer if your in "coach". The service reliability would never allow things like vonage for home users (coach). Nor your own streaming, websites (except simple ones) or... well... you name it.

This change is in the making, but I bet few even have a clue as to what is about to happen. The companies (like AT&T and the others) that own those lines are pushing this HARD.

I have no link as to this to post. Its talked about on shows that "actually" inform their listeners, like Al Franken. You wont hear this from Rush or on CNN nor Fox. But I'm sure others do have more info to give on this. Feel free...

For all tryiing to interpret what was just said , it is true but not well stated.
The premise of this issue is that the providers of content will have to pay exorbitant fees for sending the information.
No matter how fast you can download , the sender will be restricted based on the speed paid for by the sender. Large corporations will spend and pass the charges on to us. Small corporations will not be able to afford to spend , therefore will be slow and unable to compete. Garage businesses will lose the ability to even use the web for upload , and all the personal stuff will be gone altogether. I won't miss the blogs but apple , microsoft , google and many others started in a garage too.
This is a really serious issue for this nation and everyone in it.

It's funny, because we're already paying a subscription price for our uploads. These monopolistic companies simply want to collude and eliminate that part from the equation, just to get us to pay more.

What does the governent care more about, its citizens that 'elect' them, or the corporations that fund them? Shoot. I don't think I want to know the answer.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: randym431
This isn?t discussed much, but it WILL hit you hard. The major companies that run and own the internet lines into your home, and into all businesses, want to break up the service into "classes". First class, second class and coach-like. First class would pay huge, thru the nose for pretty much the same service they now get (banks, amazon.com, etc). Second would be those ma and pa .com's and coach would be YOU. And service reliability would be felt i.e. per "class". Speed - greatly effected. Reliability - greatly effected. Bye bye high speed, hello dial-up like service. Do you have vonage? Probably not any longer if your in "coach". The service reliability would never allow things like vonage for home users (coach). Nor your own streaming, websites (except simple ones) or... well... you name it.

This change is in the making, but I bet few even have a clue as to what is about to happen. The companies (like AT&T and the others) that own those lines are pushing this HARD.

I have no link as to this to post. Its talked about on shows that "actually" inform their listeners, like Al Franken. You wont hear this from Rush or on CNN nor Fox. But I'm sure others do have more info to give on this. Feel free...

real old news......not a shred of accurate non biased evidence to support your claim!

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: randym431
This isn?t discussed much, but it WILL hit you hard. The major companies that run and own the internet lines into your home, and into all businesses, want to break up the service into "classes". First class, second class and coach-like. First class would pay huge, thru the nose for pretty much the same service they now get (banks, amazon.com, etc). Second would be those ma and pa .com's and coach would be YOU. And service reliability would be felt i.e. per "class". Speed - greatly effected. Reliability - greatly effected. Bye bye high speed, hello dial-up like service. Do you have vonage? Probably not any longer if your in "coach". The service reliability would never allow things like vonage for home users (coach). Nor your own streaming, websites (except simple ones) or... well... you name it.

This change is in the making, but I bet few even have a clue as to what is about to happen. The companies (like AT&T and the others) that own those lines are pushing this HARD.

I have no link as to this to post. Its talked about on shows that "actually" inform their listeners, like Al Franken. You wont hear this from Rush or on CNN nor Fox. But I'm sure others do have more info to give on this. Feel free...

real old news......not a shred of accurate non biased evidence to support your claim!

The majority of people in the IT and Content delivery fields belive this to be fact. Their is limited monies to be made in providing internet access as more and more people gain high speed access. People are demanding more bandwidth now.

the real money is in content and the access to it.