What would you do?

dartworth

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What would you do?

I work in construction and we are currently doing a job at a government facility.

Most of the job is welded pipe. With the welding also comes a lot of cutting with a torch and grinding. Because of this, we use fire blanks for spark containment and to prevent fires.

Some fire blanket is brought out from our shop. It is old and full of holes. As we start hanging the blanket, one of my coworkers thinks some of this old blanket contains asbestos. I take a look at it and immediately bag and seal the suspicious material and call my office. I tell them what is going on and they tell me they are not sure what it is made of and probably not asbestos. I tell them this is unacceptable and to send out new blankets. My boss tells me he will get back to me.

About 30 minutes go by and I get a call telling me some new blankets are on the way. Meanwhile my partner is pretty pissed off that they would even send out this questionable blanket. We have decided to take a sample of the material in for testing. If it comes back positive for asbestos, he is considering legal action. When the new blanket arrives, my partner as tells the truck driver this too. About an hour later I get a call from the shop telling me to send the old blanket back to the shop.

I work for a small company which is very slow at upgrading tools and equipment. There is no use in complaining about it as it falls on deaf ears. Tools and ladders come out to the jobs missing guards, falling apart and should be taken out of service and repaired.

I believe it is the company?s responsibility to provide safe equipment and tools. They also need to provide the proper safety equipment which needs to be checked before being sent out to the job.

If you were in this situation, and it came back positive for asbestos, would you consider legal action?
 

minendo

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jobs missing guards, falling apart and should be taken out of service and repaired.

I believe it is the company?s responsibility to provide safe equipment and tools. They also need to provide the proper safety equipment which needs to be checked before being sent out to the job.

If you were in this situation, and it came back positive for asbestos, would you consider legal action?
An anonymous phone call to OSHA would take care of these issues.
 

BoomerD

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Just have the project safety manager "drop in" for a visit, and take the questionable blanket for testing...Of course, HE might just get rid of it, and not test it to prevent the possibility of a lawsiut/OSHA violation from marring the jobsite safety record. Have you talked to your union rep yet?
 

olds

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Originally posted by: minendo
jobs missing guards, falling apart and should be taken out of service and repaired.

I believe it is the company?s responsibility to provide safe equipment and tools. They also need to provide the proper safety equipment which needs to be checked before being sent out to the job.

If you were in this situation, and it came back positive for asbestos, would you consider legal action?
An anonymous phone call to OSHA would take care of these issues.

QFT
 

dartworth

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Yeah everyone thinks all you have to do is call up OSHA and they appear on the job the next day. OSHA is spread so thin, that someone would have to get killed on a job site in order for them to show up.

I've been in the trades for neary 15 years. I've seen OSHA once...because a man died on the job


No, I have contacted my business agent yet. I have a pretty go idea what they are going to say anyways.

business agent: "They replaced the blankets didn't they?"
dartworth: "Yes, but why was it sent out to begin with. I've already be exposed to it."
business agent: "Stop being a pain in the ass"
dartworth: "Thanks for you help"
<click>
 

BoomerD

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Here in Kahleefornia, we have Cal-Osha. A bit better than Fed-OSHA, but not a lot. SRILL hanstrung by a lack of inspectors...intentionally IMO, because business runs this state, just like it does the US Government.
Be glad they replaced the questionable blanket I guess...
Ssorry your BA sux. SOME of us try harder...(not a BA anymore...got tired of the politics, internal and external)
 

dartworth

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Here in Kahleefornia, we have Cal-Osha. A bit better than Fed-OSHA, but not a lot. SRILL hanstrung by a lack of inspectors...intentionally IMO, because business runs this state, just like it does the US Government.
Be glad they replaced the questionable blanket I guess...
Ssorry your BA sux. SOME of us try harder...(not a BA anymore...got tired of the politics, internal and external)



Well I ran for one of the BA spots about 2 years ago...our first election in about 15 years...

I didn't win, nor did I gain any favor from the hall;)

sigh...
 

Old Hippie

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Fellows, it was a blanket that may or may not have had a banned substance.
The EPA has proposed a concentration limit of 7 million fibers per liter of drinking water for long fibers (lengths greater than or equal to 5 µm). OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration) has set limits of 100,000 fibers with lengths greater than or equal to 5 µm per cubic meter of workplace air for 8-hour shifts and 40-hour work weeks.[6]
Do you (or a lawyer) really think you could prove that
Some fire blanket is brought out from our shop. It is old and full of holes.
is a litigable offense? Even if it contained radiation, AIDS, or the worst form of Cooties in the world, it would be an uphill battle in court. When I was working, if I didn't care for a piece of equipment furnished to do the job, it just 'got lost' or 'never showed' before or after the job was done. Sometimes a little help is needed to replace worn/faulty/dangerous equipment. :roll:
 

dartworth

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Originally posted by: Old Hippie
Fellows, it was a blanket that may or may not have had a banned substance.
The EPA has proposed a concentration limit of 7 million fibers per liter of drinking water for long fibers (lengths greater than or equal to 5 µm). OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration) has set limits of 100,000 fibers with lengths greater than or equal to 5 µm per cubic meter of workplace air for 8-hour shifts and 40-hour work weeks.[6]
Do you (or a lawyer) really think you could prove that
Some fire blanket is brought out from our shop. It is old and full of holes.
is a litigable offense? Even if it contained radiation, AIDS, or the worst form of Cooties in the world, it would be an uphill battle in court. When I was working, if I didn't care for a piece of equipment furnished to do the job, it just 'got lost' or 'never showed' before or after the job was done. Sometimes a little help is needed to replace worn/faulty/dangerous equipment. :roll:

Can I prove that the blanket is made of or contains asbestos? I will know in a few days when I get the results.

If the blanket does contain asbestos, a very large can of worms could be opened. I look at this whole situation as neglect from my shop. Not only was I exposed to asbestos, but so were the people who work in the area around us. My family may have been exposed when I came home with this material on my work clothes.

I'm sure the management at NASA would not be happy knowing that a situation like this occurred on their property. We had to wait for two days while they had lead paint abated off some steel beams so we could weld on it.

I guess I have less of a caviler attitude about this than you. It should not have happened in the first place.