What would you do to a Catholic cracker?

[whm1974]

If memory serves, didn't a professor or a student gotten a hold of a Communion cracker and desecrated it by driving a nail through it and then throwing said piece of bread into the trash? This was some 10 odds years ago if I recall.

Personally I don't see why the big uproar afterwards since after all it is just a cracker with a few words of Latin said over it.

 

[IronWing]

Spacing in a Postman thread.

 

[Moonbeam]

If memory serves, didn't a professor or a student gotten a hold of a Communion cracker and desecrated it by driving a nail through it and then throwing said piece of bread into the trash? This was some 10 odds years ago if I recall.

Personally I don't see why the big uproar afterwards since after all it is just a cracker with a few words of Latin said over it.

Superficial people believe that the truly sacred can be profaned by profaning a symbol of the sacred, usually a symbol of something not truly sacred at all, but that's a different issue.

 

[Darwin333]

Because it wasn't just a cracker, it was a literal piece of the body of Christ!!!! This is like corpse desecration at least. I dunno, since it was just recently brought back to "life" is it even a corpse anymore? So they should easily be able to argue that it was torture

 

[Meghan54]

Because it wasn't just a cracker, it was a literal piece of the body of Christ!!!! This is like corpse desecration at least. I dunno, since it was just recently brought back to "life" is it even a corpse anymore? So they should easily be able to argue that it was torture

It's only a "literal piece of Christ" after it has been consecrated. And none of the consecrated bread or wine is ever left over, all is consumed during the service. So, if anyone obtains the typically unleavened bread/wafers or wine, it's unconsecrated and is only what it appears to be, unleavened bread/wafers and wine with no ability to be desecrated.

 

[mikeymikec]

It's only a "literal piece of Christ" after it has been consecrated.

I wonder if humanity would have less problems with organised religion if religious followers could tell the difference between "figuratively" and "literally".

If it's a literal piece of Christ we should harvest the DNA of God and clone her. And absolutely do not use the DNA of frogs to fill in the missing pieces.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Probably toss it in the trash.

 

[dank69]

Never had one so I imagine it is pretty dry and flavorless. Maybe spruce it up with some cheese and pepperoni, or some peanut butter.

 

[whm1974]

Never had one so I imagine it is pretty dry and flavorless. Maybe spruce it up with some cheese and pepperoni, or some peanut butter.

I had one once, and you are right it is dry and flavorless. Could use some salt.

 

[dank69]

I had one once, and you are right it is dry and flavorless. Could use some salt.

Salt = money = the root of all evil.

 

[IronWing]

It's only a "literal piece of Christ" after it has been consecrated. And none of the consecrated bread or wine is ever left over, all is consumed during the service. So, if anyone obtains the typically unleavened bread/wafers or wine, it's unconsecrated and is only what it appears to be, unleavened bread/wafers and wine with no ability to be desecrated.

This is incorrect. Uneaten consecrated hosts may be stored in the tabernacle and used at a later mass. In fact, for Holy Saturday masses, the hosts are always consecrated prior to noon on Good Friday as the Church does not perform consecrations of the eucharist between the crucifixion and the resurrection on Easter morning. I guess Jesus only gets one and a half vacation days a year.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

This is incorrect. Uneaten consecrated hosts may be stored in the tabernacle and used at a later mass. In fact, for Holy Saturday masses, the hosts are always consecrated prior to noon on Good Friday as the Church does not perform consecrations of the eucharist between the crucifixion and the resurrection on Easter morning. I guess Jesus only gets one and a half vacation days a year.

Jesus gets 365 vacation days a year. He's like Paris Hilton, people talk about him a lot, but he doesn't do anything or have any noticeable skills.

Since you know about the crackers, maybe you can answer a question about holy water. When it spills or evaporates, where does the Holy go? Does it get left behind and if you pour new water into the font it absorbs the leftover holy? Or does the holy go with it and stay in the atmosphere with the water vapor? If that's true does the air stay holy forever, holy only until it rains or does the holy wear off after a while? What's the shelf-life of the stuff?

 

[dank69]

Jesus gets 365 vacation days a year. He's like Paris Hilton, people talk about him a lot, but he doesn't do anything or have any noticeable skills.

Since you know about the crackers, maybe you can answer a question about holy water. When it spills or evaporates, where does the Holy go? Does it get left behind and if you pour new water into the font it absorbs the leftover holy? Or does the holy go with it and stay in the atmosphere with the water vapor? If that's true does the air stay holy forever, holy only until it rains or does the holy wear off after a while? What's the shelf-life of the stuff?

Obama declared holy water invalid right after he started TARP in 2008.

 

[Paratus]

Probably toss it in the trash.

So here?

Hmm I’ve just realized this restaurant sounds vaguely racist.

 

[IronWing]

Jesus gets 365 vacation days a year. He's like Paris Hilton, people talk about him a lot, but he doesn't do anything or have any noticeable skills.

Since you know about the crackers, maybe you can answer a question about holy water. When it spills or evaporates, where does the Holy go? Does it get left behind and if you pour new water into the font it absorbs the leftover holy? Or does the holy go with it and stay in the atmosphere with the water vapor? If that's true does the air stay holy forever, holy only until it rains or does the holy wear off after a while? What's the shelf-life of the stuff?

I'll have to ask my mom about that. What I did find was the formula for making holy water:

I exorcise thee, creature of water, in the name of God the Father almighty, in the name of Jesus Christ, his Son, our Lord, and in the power of the Holy Spirit, that you may put to flight all the power of the enemy, and that enemy and to root out and, along with his fallen angels through the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, who shall come to judge the living and the dead and the world by fire. O God, who for the salvation of the human race has built Thy greatest mysteries in the substance, in your kindness hear our prayers, and with the element to this, for many kinds of purifications of his well-prepared, the power of Thy blessing, Serve it; the creation of Thy mysteries, serving as an agent of divine grace; is sprinkled with this water in their houses or in the buildings of the faithful, that whatever might be free from all uncleanness, he is freed from every harm. It is not no pestilent spirit, no taint of corruption; let all the wiles of the lurking enemy; or to provide for the safety and peace of the inhabitants of that which is, and if there be any, by the sprinkling of this water, so that health, through the invocation of Thy holy name, made secure against all attacks. Through the end.

Totally not bugfuck crazy.

 

[Darwin333]

It's only a "literal piece of Christ" after it has been consecrated. And none of the consecrated bread or wine is ever left over, all is consumed during the service. So, if anyone obtains the typically unleavened bread/wafers or wine, it's unconsecrated and is only what it appears to be, unleavened bread/wafers and wine with no ability to be desecrated.

False. There is usually leftover consecrated bread or Eucharist and it is stored in the tabernacle. There is no way that they could accurately count the people that will receive communion and count out exactly enough, the leftovers are stored in the tabernacle to be used during the next service.

 

[Darwin333]

Salt = money = the root of all evil.

Unless you are giving it to the church of course.

 

[IronWing]

Since you know about the crackers, maybe you can answer a question about holy water. When it spills or evaporates, where does the Holy go? Does it get left behind and if you pour new water into the font it absorbs the leftover holy? Or does the holy go with it and stay in the atmosphere with the water vapor? If that's true does the air stay holy forever, holy only until it rains or does the holy wear off after a while? What's the shelf-life of the stuff?

Contemplating the words of blessing above, the holy water is first itself purged of all evil and then used as a carrier for divine grace. It appears that the divine grace is a rider on the holy water and not of the substance of the holy water. This matters* because, unlike a communion host becoming the flesh and blood of JC, the holy water doesn't change in its substance and therefore remains water. Also of interest in the blessing is the phrase, "that whatever might be free from all uncleanness, he is freed from every harm". This weasel phrase shifts the efficacy of the holy water from the water to the recipient in the event that it doesn't work.

* Things mattering in theology usually indicates that the adherents of the faith murdered each other in deciding the point.

 

[whm1974]

Does the RCC teach that one must receive Mass to get to heaven?

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Contemplating the words of blessing above, the holy water is first itself purged of all evil and then used as a carrier for divine grace. It appears that the divine grace is a rider on the holy water and not of the substance of the holy water. This matters* because, unlike a communion host becoming the flesh and blood of JC, the holy water doesn't change in its substance and therefore remains water. Also of interest in the blessing is the phrase, "that whatever might be free from all uncleanness, he is freed from every harm". This weasel phrase shifts the efficacy of the holy water from the water to the recipient in the event that it doesn't work.

* Things mattering in theology usually indicates that the adherents of the faith murdered each other in deciding the point.

And the lord spake saying "Let there be a no liability clause in this idiocy!" And there was, and it was good. Ramen.

And that's why the Christian god is an impotent little pretend god. When our Noodly Master bestows his grace upon the olive oil and chianti it lasts until the meal has been digested.

 

[Moonbeam]

People should be aware that Christianity is a means by which those who via the symbols rituals and prayers and repetitions are sometimes able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven here on earth before they die, those who find grace, the awakening of Gods love in reverse, where the depth of faith explodes into universal love, the kind attributed to God. In this way a real Christian, one who dies to himself or the ego, achieves transcendent understanding.

For the rest of us, those in whom the ego is too strong to die by that means, or who have temperaments and personalities unsuited to deep love via faith, there is a disappointment, a rejection, a hostility and rage against the whole thing. The love of God is replaced by hate and rejection. That's is rather sad because once that wall to the possibility that religion is actually real and and can lead to humanities highest peak state, they lose themselves in bitterness, not knowing caring or ever looking to see if there are other ways, other paths to the same goal. In Christianity or the other God religions, the door open via the heart, but the door can also open via the mind and the body. The issue is that we have been deluded by duality into believing in good and evil and they do not exist. In the case of most of us the self is divided against the self and we experience a state of condition of separation, the realization at a deep and unconscious level that something is wrong with our lives. The cure, of course is the realization of a state of oneness of being with all that is required is the death of the ego. There are many ways that can happen. Seek and you will find they say and that I think is because new and creative insights into the meaning of life occur in response to need. You won't increase your need by running down the path of others in any way I can see.

Oh my Beloved! Wherever I look it appears to be Thou.

 

[whm1974]

People should be aware that Christianity is a means by which those who via the symbols rituals and prayers and repetitions are sometimes able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven here on earth before they die, those who find grace, the awakening of Gods love in reverse, where the depth of faith explodes into universal love, the kind attributed to God. In this way a real Christian, one who dies to himself or the ego, achieves transcendent understanding.

For the rest of us, those in whom the ego is too strong to die by that means, or who have temperaments and personalities unsuited to deep love via faith, there is a disappointment, a rejection, a hostility and rage against the whole thing. The love of God is replaced by hate and rejection. That's is rather sad because once that wall to the possibility that religion is actually real and and can lead to humanities highest peak state, they lose themselves in bitterness, not knowing caring or ever looking to see if there are other ways, other paths to the same goal. In Christianity or the other God religions, the door open via the heart, but the door can also open via the mind and the body. The issue is that we have been deluded by duality into believing in good and evil and they do not exist. In the case of most of us the self is divided against the self and we experience a state of condition of separation, the realization at a deep and unconscious level that something is wrong with our lives. The cure, of course is the realization of a state of oneness of being with all that is required is the death of the ego. There are many ways that can happen. Seek and you will find they say and that I think is because new and creative insights into the meaning of life occur in response to need. You won't increase your need by running down the path of others in any way I can see.

Oh my Beloved! Wherever I look it appears to be Thou.

Dude you are sprouting nonsense again.

 

[Moonbeam]

Dude you are sprouting nonsense again.

That took two brain cells to say. Any thoughts as to why you would want to make an ass of yourself by the utterance of such a meaningless remark. Was it supposed to hurt my feelings or do you just imagine that people naturally believe anything you say because you say it. Put up an argument if you have any personal dignity.

 

[Carson Dyle]

False. There is usually leftover consecrated bread or Eucharist and it is stored in the tabernacle. There is no way that they could accurately count the people that will receive communion and count out exactly enough, the leftovers are stored in the tabernacle to be used during the next service.

Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. There are always leftovers. (And, like a good stew, always better a day or two later.)

 

[whm1974]

That took two brain cells to say. Any thoughts as to why you would want to make an ass of yourself by the utterance of such a meaningless remark. Was it supposed to hurt my feelings or do you just imagine that people naturally believe anything you say because you say it. Put up an argument if you have any personal dignity.

How am I making an ass of myself by telling you that you are sprouting nonsense when in fact you are?