What would you do if you were one of the cops in this case? Video inside

[Svnla]

Friends in Arkansas and Louisiana discussed this case and we agreed that the cops could have shot this moron (look at how he hid and then raised his right arm). Things could have been a lot worse.

TAPD Officers Devante James and Shane Kirkland stopped Sean Basham, 24, on Ida Street Wednesday morning for not making a complete stop at a stop sign.

After learning Basham was wanted on several warrants, he was asked to get out of the vehicle.

That's when the incident escalated.

Basham can be heard in the video telling the officer he has a gun.

Officers say Basham stepped out of the vehicle with a cell phone in his left hand, and his right hand behind his back under his shirt.

TAPD officers diffuse suicide by cop attempt = http://www.ktbs.com/story/34155951/tapd-officers-diffuse-suicide-by-cop-attempt

 

[MrSquished]

Thank god he was white

 

[FIVR]

They probably just couldn't figure out how to disengage the safety.

 

[pcgeek11]

Good job by all involved. I am sure this happens with black suspects too, but they get little attention.

 

[Blue_Max]

Thank god he was white

F**k you for the usual BLM bullshit rhetoric.

 

[umbrella39]

RJW triggered... again...

 

[Double Trouble]

I think being a cop these days is more difficult than ever. Good job diffusing this one.

 

[MrSquished]

F**k you for the usual BLM bullshit rhetoric.

It's called reality. I think anybody on this board that's smart enough would prefer to be pulled over while being white. Survival instinct.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Good job by all involved. I am sure this happens with black suspects too, but they get little attention.

of course it does...after the fact they are shot....then it gets diffused!!

 

[WHAMPOM]

Good job by all involved. I am sure this happens with black suspects too, but they get little attention.

What you need to ask is why this got the attention.

 

[Blue_Max]

It's called reality. I think anybody on this board that's smart enough would prefer to be pulled over while being white. Survival instinct.

...but what you're trying to avoid saying is WHY being pulled over black could be more serious.
[looks up crime statistics] ......ooooo..... could be part of the issue there.
If 'whitey' stole as many cars or shot as many cops, the situation would be handled differently.
If 'whitey' stole MORE cars, etc, the situation would be handled differently again.

Again, f&¢k you for implying whites just automatically get treated "better" because.... reasons.

This was a story about cops who did a fantastic job and you had to $hit on it because your 'progressive' collective demands it.

 

[pcgeek11]

of course it does...after the fact they are shot....then it gets diffused!!

Quoted for the BS that it is.

 

[pcgeek11]

What you need to ask is why this got the attention.

You are correct. Why did this get attention and the ones where a black suspect only gets attention when someone is shot....

Because blacks getting shot gets more attention in the news... It isn't because it is more prevalent, because it isn't.

 

[Commodus]

You are correct. Why did this get attention and the ones where a black suspect only gets attention when someone is shot....

Because blacks getting shot gets more attention in the news... It isn't because it is more prevalent, because it isn't.

Sorry, calling BS on this claim. There are multiple studies from reputable sources showing disproportionate use of violence and searches on black people. And importantly, the violence is not a response to crime in specific areas, so you can't pin it on excessive criminal violence in a given region. No, it's mainly skin color. The officers aren't always explicitly racist, but it's a pretty sad commentary when many black people have at least a slight worry as to whether or not they'll survive a traffic stop (just ask Walter Scott or Philando Castile).

Now, in this case? It was a good call to hold off. You rarely announce that you have a gun to officers in that way unless you're trying to get yourself killed. But I don't think it's a good model for discussing police violence issues. There's a big difference between someone practically begging to be shot and someone killed for offering even modest resistance over a minor infraction.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I'd have shot the guy in the same situation.

 

[Zaap]

Most of the spoiled nitwits here always whining about cops would probably -stepping into the shoes of a lot of cops on ANY given day- do exactly the following: 1. shit themselves at the first sign of some situation they usually run far, far away from and rely on someone else to defuse. 2. end up getting themselves killed, a few other cops, innocent bystanders and probably whatever suspects as well.

It's easier to just sit on your lazy duff and whine about cops constantly than to be called on to deal with even a fraction of the shit they are called on to deal with. Most of the lazy snowflakes wouldn't last a day.

 

[MrSquished]

...but what you're trying to avoid saying is WHY being pulled over black could be more serious.
[looks up crime statistics] ......ooooo..... could be part of the issue there.
If 'whitey' stole as many cars or shot as many cops, the situation would be handled differently.
If 'whitey' stole MORE cars, etc, the situation would be handled differently again.

Again, f&¢k you for implying whites just automatically get treated "better" because.... reasons.

This was a story about cops who did a fantastic job and you had to $hit on it because your 'progressive' collective demands it.

Being white in this country is generally a blessing. Sucks for you that you don't realize that. Otherwise maybe you wouldn't be so angry about race.

 

[Blue_Max]

Most of the spoiled nitwits here always whining about cops would probably -stepping into the shoes of a lot of cops on ANY given day- do exactly the following: 1. shit themselves at the first sign of some situation they usually run far, far away from and rely on someone else to defuse. 2. end up getting themselves killed, a few other cops, innocent bystanders and probably whatever suspects as well.

It's easier to just sit on your lazy duff and whine about cops constantly than to be called on to deal with even a fraction of the shit they are called on to deal with. Most of the lazy snowflakes wouldn't last a day.

Our resident "progressives" (not) remind me so much of this guy:

 

[MrSquished]

Most of the spoiled nitwits here always whining about cops would probably -stepping into the shoes of a lot of cops on ANY given day- do exactly the following: 1. shit themselves at the first sign of some situation they usually run far, far away from and rely on someone else to defuse. 2. end up getting themselves killed, a few other cops, innocent bystanders and probably whatever suspects as well.

It's easier to just sit on your lazy duff and whine about cops constantly than to be called on to deal with even a fraction of the shit they are called on to deal with. Most of the lazy snowflakes wouldn't last a day.

You are just yammering on making no points. Not everyone can be a cop but that doesn't mean cops shouldn't be held to high standards.

Is that really that hard to grasp for a regressive such as yourself?

 

[Darwin333]

I would like to think that I would have done the same as the cops did. I bash on the cops a lot when they fuck up but in this case had the used deadly force I wouldn't have faulted them one bit, really glad they showed restraint though.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Quoted for the BS that it is.

You have no clue......to quote another poster-- "Sorry, calling BS on this claim. There are multiple studies from reputable sources showing disproportionate use of violence and searches on black people. And importantly, the violence is not a response to crime in specific areas, so you can't pin it on excessive criminal violence in a given region. No, it's mainly skin color. The officers aren't always explicitly racist, but it's a pretty sad commentary when many black people have at least a slight worry as to whether or not they'll survive a traffic stop (just ask Walter Scott or Philando Castile).

Now, in this case? It was a good call to hold off. You rarely announce that you have a gun to officers in that way unless you're trying to get yourself killed. But I don't think it's a good model for discussing police violence issues. There's a big difference between someone practically begging to be shot and someone killed for offering even modest resistance over a minor infraction."

 

[Darwin333]

Most of the spoiled nitwits here always whining about cops would probably -stepping into the shoes of a lot of cops on ANY given day- do exactly the following: 1. shit themselves at the first sign of some situation they usually run far, far away from and rely on someone else to defuse. 2. end up getting themselves killed, a few other cops, innocent bystanders and probably whatever suspects as well.

It's easier to just sit on your lazy duff and whine about cops constantly than to be called on to deal with even a fraction of the shit they are called on to deal with. Most of the lazy snowflakes wouldn't last a day.

So by your logic the only people that should be allowed to criticize people in a certain profession are other people in the same profession? That is absurdly idiotic even by P&N standards.

 

[pcgeek11]

Sorry, calling BS on this claim. There are multiple studies from reputable sources showing disproportionate use of violence and searches on black people. And importantly, the violence is not a response to crime in specific areas, so you can't pin it on excessive criminal violence in a given region. No, it's mainly skin color. The officers aren't always explicitly racist, but it's a pretty sad commentary when many black people have at least a slight worry as to whether or not they'll survive a traffic stop (just ask Walter Scott or Philando Castile).

Now, in this case? It was a good call to hold off. You rarely announce that you have a gun to officers in that way unless you're trying to get yourself killed. But I don't think it's a good model for discussing police violence issues. There's a big difference between someone practically begging to be shot and someone killed for offering even modest resistance over a minor infraction.

You have no clue......to quote another poster-- "Sorry, calling BS on this claim. There are multiple studies from reputable sources showing disproportionate use of violence and searches on black people. And importantly, the violence is not a response to crime in specific areas, so you can't pin it on excessive criminal violence in a given region. No, it's mainly skin color. The officers aren't always explicitly racist, but it's a pretty sad commentary when many black people have at least a slight worry as to whether or not they'll survive a traffic stop (just ask Walter Scott or Philando Castile).

Now, in this case? It was a good call to hold off. You rarely announce that you have a gun to officers in that way unless you're trying to get yourself killed. But I don't think it's a good model for discussing police violence issues. There's a big difference between someone practically begging to be shot and someone killed for offering even modest resistance over a minor infraction."

There are also studies that show that blacks are no more likely to be shot than whites. Are they correct? I don't know.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ce-shootings-and-race/?utm_term=.8afac3908770

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/u...police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html

I was not making a broad statement. My bull shit call was on JEDIYoda's claim as he posted:

" of course it does...after the fact they are shot....then it gets diffused!! "

Which is Bull Shit in its purest form.

 

[Commodus]

Most of the spoiled nitwits here always whining about cops would probably -stepping into the shoes of a lot of cops on ANY given day- do exactly the following: 1. shit themselves at the first sign of some situation they usually run far, far away from and rely on someone else to defuse. 2. end up getting themselves killed, a few other cops, innocent bystanders and probably whatever suspects as well.

It's easier to just sit on your lazy duff and whine about cops constantly than to be called on to deal with even a fraction of the shit they are called on to deal with. Most of the lazy snowflakes wouldn't last a day.

I'm reminded more than a little of Colonel Jessup's rant in A Few Good Men. You know, the one where he argues that people who aren't manning a post shouldn't question the way in which he provides their freedom... and promptly gets convicted.

It's just a movie, but the scene makes an important point: yes, it is absolutely valid and necessary that people without first-hand experience of a public-serving role question how it's performed. Even moreso than the military, what the police does affects us, the people. If racism (latent or explicit) goes unchecked, that's the difference between communities seeing the police as a force for good or as a potential threat.

And remember, the police are sometimes the last ones who should be judging their conduct on the street. Police departments are notoriously insular at times, and will defend clearly indefensible acts simply because it's their own people who were involved. Officers will force people to stop recording incidents on their phones despite it being completely legal; they'll open the hoods on their cruisers to block dash cams during stops, or will 'conveniently' have problems with their mandatory body cams. Just because I don't have a badge doesn't mean I can't see systemic problems... in fact, it might be the only way systemic problems get addressed.

 

[shortylickens]

BUMP!


Another One:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=075_1485028629

Driver is white. Waving shotgun around.
Cops let him live.
Black men have been killed for doing less.