What would you do? Boss plans to leave after vacation time hits!

[DigitalCancer]

This guy's title was "VP" and that's all he did? How many employees do you have at your company?

Yea, exactly...he's VP of IT. The department total is 2 (including me and him, lol).

We have 2 locations and about 100 users between the two. We do high-end appraisals though so a lot of our work is making sure machines run in the office and that servers are available and then the bulk of our job is to ensure that our services are running smoothly (exchange, appraisal platform, accounting server, scanning, etc.).

But, as I said, I do most of it...he does ordering of supplies, budgets for projects and then he looks at the new services and makes sure contracts are correct and security audits are done since we deal with a lot of banks. I mean, he works from home 3-days a week and most of the time he's offline.

I went on vacation for a week to go to Hawaii and when I had come back he didn't answer 1 email in the HelpDesk email and everyone around here has complained and they crack jokes about him doing any work b/c he seriously passes almost everything off on me.

 

[Imp]

That's my issue with it....he's barely worked here 2yrs and entertained an offer from the other company when he was talking with them one day. I mean, it's a great opportunity for him honestly and I'd do it to, but at the same time...he's intentionally waiting on the vaca and the day that it's applied is the day he's out the door with check in hand. Just seems wrong to me is all.

If this is such an easy company policy to "take advantage of", then why don't you work with your company to get rid of it? Is there a union representing the employees/labor force "strong arming" the company to use this type of vacation policy? If the company doesn't care to change it, or if the representatives of the employees demanded it collectively, then...???

My old company gave out 1/12 of my annual vacation every month, I think at the beginning. You could use your year's vacation in January, but if you quit, you'd have to pay the money back.

P.S. Not a lawyer or labor anything, but my impression is that if he writes January 1 as his last day, then even if the company boots him, he has a case to make for getting the benefits as if he stayed until then. Might have to go to court, but he has a case?

 

[Ns1]

P.S. Not a lawyer or labor anything, but my impression is that if he writes January 1 as his last day

why does a company have to honor this request? JW

 

[BurnItDwn]

That's my issue with it....he's barely worked here 2yrs and entertained an offer from the other company when he was talking with them one day. I mean, it's a great opportunity for him honestly and I'd do it to, but at the same time...he's intentionally waiting on the vaca and the day that it's applied is the day he's out the door with check in hand. Just seems wrong to me is all.

And for the other post concerning being angry about the broken promises...of course I am and I've spoken with him numerous times about it and all I was told is, well, I'll try to bring you into more stuff or...you can't work from home 2-days a week now b/c of this or that...but HEY, I can work from home 3-days a week....grrr

Yes, I did read the original post, and agree its a jerk thing to do. Just meant to say that doing that at the tail end of a long career is not as dickish IMO.

Does not sound like you have been treated fairly, he strings you along and uses you as a crutch yet doesnt reward you properly ..

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Policy is policy, the company wouldnt have an issue screwing you if they could so unless you just really want to stick it to this guy, shut up and move along.

 

[Chapbass]

Everyone has already chimed in with a lot of info, so I'll just agree.

Stay very, very far away from this situation and let it play out. Especially if you're in line for a management gig, just keep your head down until it blows over (and it will). This is managements responsibility to take care of, not yours.

 

[Imp]

why does a company have to honor this request? JW

My completely uninformed impression I've gathered from armchair lawyers online is that the company doesn't have to honor it. However, if he/she was terminated after giving resignation, it'd be harder for the company to prove it was a "regular" layoff instead of a termination intended to deprive an employee of certain benefits.

Not knowing any of the case law or legislation, I have no idea how that has or will hold up in court.

Sounds like it'd be smarter and lower risk to work until January 2. December's usually a write-off anyway due to the number of holidays and people who go on vacation.

 

[CLite]

abuse if anything would be giving notice on 1/1 or directly after receiving a bonus.

The only description for giving notice on 11/22 and thinking you can game a company out of money they don't owe you yet is "stupidity".

 

[ultimatebob]

This, and judging his history with the boss on said vs given, the OP shouldn't be feeling too cozy that he'll have a new and improved job. OP with your experience, there's a million just like you probably willing to work cheaper than you. After all IT has been all but drilled down to cashier levels these days. Don't be overly confident that you're just going to walk into his job permanently. The company could put you there temporarily, but some other exec could be thinking of their own power move when this guy leaves.

Yeah... if you boss was dumb enough to tell you about this vacation rollover scheme, who knows who else he's talked to. Someone else might be scheming to get his job right now while you're neffing on ATOT

 

[ultimatebob]

Just cuz he requests 1/1 as his last day doesn't mean he's gonna get it (right?)

I doubt that he'll get it. If he gives notice in late November, odds are that they'll kick him out of the office before Christmas so they don't even need to give him holiday pay let alone extra vacation pay.

Your HR department isn't as stupid as he thinks they are. Let them handle it.

 

[DigitalCancer]

I doubt that he'll get it. If he gives notice in late November, odds are that they'll kick him out of the office before Christmas so they don't even need to give him holiday pay let alone extra vacation pay.

Your HR department isn't as stupid as he thinks they are. Let them handle it.

Well stated bob, I'll be the only one left in IT and they've actually already asked me if I could do his job if something happened (they might already know...somehow, I don't think he's told anyone else though as he wouldn't trust anyone for that I don't believe...I could be wrong though), they stated we just want to make sure our employees are cross-trained...pfftt...they haven't worried about cross-training anyone besides the secretary/accounts manager to answer phones when one of them goes on vacation.

 

[Toasthead]

when he gives his notice, the company can determine his last day. Why couldn't the company say your last day will be 12/30?

 

[alkemyst]

Smart move on his part, I had a friend that had a great opportunity come up and needed to give only two weeks notice. He had a month of vacation time, they terminated him instantly and he could not claim that time.

Also his two week notice would have put him past the cut-off point for his bonus and 401k match.

He left over $50k on the table.