What would you do? Boss plans to leave after vacation time hits!

[Texashiker]

What do you guys think...would you tell someone that he's planning to leave and take $10k of the companies money like that?

Mind your own business.

You and your buddy are nothing more than disposable products. If he can score a nice payday, so what?

I suggest you stop being a company shill. Turn about is fair play.

 

[Carson Dyle]

I still don't understand what you mean by a "moral dilemma". What exactly is your dilemma? Do you feel that you have a moral obligation to warn the company that this is going to happen? Again: If the company does not want to pay this guy three weeks of vacation, they won't. It's that simple. Don't lose a minute of sleep over it.

 

[manimal]

op is idiot to even think about speaking up. If you do and it gets back to him you could be blackballed. ATOT consensus in effect.


stfu

 

[SunnyD]

The guy will dig his own grave. As Carson said earlier, he won't even make it until the end of the year. Odds are if he gives that much notice, his ploy will be blatantly obvious and he'll be escorted out the door by the end of the week.

Start worrying about yourself. I think the bigger question that needs to be answered is this one:

Here's the kicker...he offered me great opportunities at this place including working from home, some additional certifications and learning more while we were revamping the network. NONE of this has come to fruition and he actually works 3-days from home (we both live about 45mins out) and he refuses to let me work even 1-day at home unless it's just something needed, but nothing scheduled which kinda burns me considering the original conversation. I also barely got to talk to the guy that helped with the revamp and all projects, my boss has taken over. He is keeping me down and doesn't want to 'train' me which he did at the other job as well but not to this extent.

... and ...

So, no...I do NOT want to burn bridges with my boss b/c after-all...I have a guaranteed position at the new place as a Network Engineer if I decide to go that route or it doesn't work out here for me.

...

I like the guy, he's been good to me and defended me when I needed it, but, as far as helping me excel my career...he hasn't really done that. He hired me to make himself look good is all...it's all self-preserving for him I think.

You sure you want to KEEP working for a douchebag like this? Not much of a friend if you ask me.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

He knows the company policies and is using them to his advantage?

How Strange.

We have a policy that sick time comes before vacation time. So if you go on vacation and get wick, it is charged to sick time and not to vacation(pending proof). I know someone that went to Italy to see family once a year for a month. One year, he used 3 weeks vacation and 1 week of sick time. Knowing what I know about Italy from what he told me though and he probably bribed a doctor over there to write a sick note. This policy changes Jan 1 where I work though. More "vacation/personal" days but sick time is gone.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

 

[DigitalCancer]

I still don't understand what you mean by a "moral dilemma". What exactly is your dilemma? Do you feel that you have a moral obligation to warn the company that this is going to happen? Again: If the company does not want to pay this guy three weeks of vacation, they won't. It's that simple. Don't lose a minute of sleep over it.

I don't know, it just seems like thievery to me. But, as everyone else has said...I doubt they'll let him get away with it.

CHILL EVERYONE! I'M NOT...GOING TO RAT HIM OUT!

He's been 'good' to me in the sense of keeping me a job but as far as advancing my career he hasn't been good for me, that's part of the reason I'm ready for him to go so that I can take the chair and get out of his shadow. I really don't want to go with him if at all possible (even if it doesn't work out here for some reason I'd look elsewhere first then to him as a last resort).

But yea, It's just seemed like a dick move to me and I don't agree with it but it's not like I would be awarded for 'telling' on him, I'm not that naive to think that I'd be awarded with a loyalty award. I think that everything can work out for the best on my side, it just sucks having to wait all the way until 11/22 for him to announce it.

 

[Carson Dyle]

If they let him do it - give six weeks of notice, then let him work six weeks, with his final day being the 1st of the year, and grant him three weeks of vacation pay - then it means they're perfectly OK with it. Hell, maybe they'll even give him severance pay in addition to the vacation pay.

If that happens, then it is _NOT_ a "dick move".

All the rest of the whining about your career, about unkept promises and about your relationship with your boss have absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I don't know, it just seems like thievery to me. But, as everyone else has said...I doubt they'll let him get away with it.

CHILL EVERYONE! I'M NOT...GOING TO RAT HIM OUT!

He's been 'good' to me in the sense of keeping me a job but as far as advancing my career he hasn't been good for me, that's part of the reason I'm ready for him to go so that I can take the chair and get out of his shadow. I really don't want to go with him if at all possible (even if it doesn't work out here for some reason I'd look elsewhere first then to him as a last resort).

But yea, It's just seemed like a dick move to me and I don't agree with it but it's not like I would be awarded for 'telling' on him, I'm not that naive to think that I'd be awarded with a loyalty award. I think that everything can work out for the best on my side, it just sucks having to wait all the way until 11/22 for him to announce it.

Your career advancement is your responsibility. When he wasn't coming through on his promises, why didn't you leave after a year or so? This is precisely what happened to me at my last job -- I gave the new CIO one year and after a trail of broken promises and insults, I quit and told him if he wanted my help in a transition period, he had to come through with a bonus I deserved. To his credit (probably out of desperation), he did. You can't let employers walk all over you.

 

[purbeast0]

nothing wrong with that at all. i call that an extremely smart move. not doing so would be idiotic. all he is doing is taking advantage of one of the benefits from the company, things that many people on this board seem to have a problem grasping.

from the thread about vacation, you see TONS and TONS of people on this board not using their vacation, working 50+ hour weeks and getting paid for 40 hours. THOSE are the people who are the idiots. you are the ones who are stupid for not taking advantage of everything your company has to offer. i see nothing wrong with him using a policy that the company has in place - that is what they are there for.

when i left my first job, if you were there on december 31st, you would receive the bonus that they gave out for profit sharing in march of that year. i gave my 2 weeks notice january 2nd and left january 15th. i had no problems at all doing so and it would have been stupid had i given it the week before.

 

[Ruptga]

OP is trying to be moral in an amoral world. Good luck with that. You should train yourself to be content with not being a dick while ignoring all the dicks that you don't have control over. You can't do anything good about the situation, and fortunately his bonus dickery isn't going to have much (if any) effect on you personally. Also, I'd be way more upset about him not following through on promises than I would be about his bonus grab.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Lots of companies do PTO or vacation that you earn throughout the year, little by little, rather than at the 1st of the year. Businesses do not have to put up with this type of behavior, though it might be an intentional decision by the business to weed out people who are unhappy. Essentially, its like how amazon pays people to quit.

Its a jerk thing to do to a company where you have only worked 2 years, but if he was retiring after 50 years with a company, then id say its perfectly find to try to max out vacation payout.

 

[DigitalCancer]

Lots of companies do PTO or vacation that you earn throughout the year, little by little, rather than at the 1st of the year. Businesses do not have to put up with this type of behavior, though it might be an intentional decision by the business to weed out people who are unhappy. Essentially, its like how amazon pays people to quit.

Its a jerk thing to do to a company where you have only worked 2 years, but if he was retiring after 50 years with a company, then id say its perfectly find to try to max out vacation payout.

That's my issue with it....he's barely worked here 2yrs and entertained an offer from the other company when he was talking with them one day. I mean, it's a great opportunity for him honestly and I'd do it to, but at the same time...he's intentionally waiting on the vaca and the day that it's applied is the day he's out the door with check in hand. Just seems wrong to me is all.

And for the other post concerning being angry about the broken promises...of course I am and I've spoken with him numerous times about it and all I was told is, well, I'll try to bring you into more stuff or...you can't work from home 2-days a week now b/c of this or that...but HEY, I can work from home 3-days a week....grrr

 

[Scarpozzi]

Vacation here is prorated. You earn X days per pay period to equal your yearly limit.

Don't get involved. Let HR do what they do how they do it.


About him starting the year that way, he may be waiting on the holidays because many companies don't hire in December due to office closure and New Year's. Here, we don't start contracts for HR in December at all.

 

[Ruptga]

grrr

That's what I'm saying. This guy is a pain in the ass, so deal with him as little as possible. Don't involve yourself with him any more than you have to in order to get your job done right. It will save you some stress.

 

[Noo]

Wow OP you are such a piece of shit as a person. Someone have to say it.

 

[TwiceOver]

Not a chance his HR is going to let that happen. I wouldn't even worry about it.

 

[DigitalCancer]

Wow OP you are such a piece of shit as a person. Someone have to say it.

WOW....and why is that? Do explain...

 

[surfsatwerk]

WOW....and why is that? Do explain...

Not that I share his opinion, but it seems like you want to fuck over a guy who gave you your job.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

WOW....and why is that? Do explain...

Because as someone mentioned before, it does appear you're trying to grease the wheels to secure his former position and you're willing to throw him under the bus to do it.

No one likes the office tattletale or busybody. It eventually circles back around and bites them hard.

 

[Markbnj]

OP is trying to be moral in an amoral world. Good luck with that.

I don't know, I don't think this is a morality question. Is it immoral for one party to try and get the better of the other within the framework of an agreement? Maybe the guy's move is a little shady, hard to say without knowing the specifics, but clearly the ATOT consensus on this one is dead on. STFU, MYOB, etc.

 

[Ns1]

Just cuz he requests 1/1 as his last day doesn't mean he's gonna get it (right?)

 

[akugami]

Don't burn your own bridges with the guy.

This.

OP. Sounds like the guy didn't fulfill all his promises but due to him hiring you at the current place, it looks like you may have a chance to advance. I'd talk to the guy and say the offer is appreciated but you feel that your career might be better staying at the current company. Make him feel like he's a really good guy for giving you all these opportunities and leave it at that. You may need him later if things don't work out at the current company.

The fact that you'll probably be dealing with him since the current and his future company has business ties further points to you keeping your mouth shut.


With that said...this guy sounds like he's only helping you to make himself look good. I'd question his ethics, but you have to look out for number one as well. As for ethics, look at all the douche moves upper management pulls on the grunts so I'm not exactly worrying about him legally screwing the company over a few dollars.

 

[DigitalCancer]

So, for the commenters saying that I'm trying to 'grease' the wheels, that's not at ALL what I had in mind. I'm a shoe in for the position, I know how the company works and I already do about 90% of his job anyway for a substantially less amount....he looks over the contracts and does security audits...I manage the servers, the users, write up policies, etc. etc. In essence, I make HIM look good and I'm aware of this already. He's the (look at for no. 1) and that's it kinda guy. He brought me in because I do my job and I do it well, he's willing to take me anywhere it'll make him look good which is good and bad.

I'm in no way trying to any sort of recognition OR be a snitch...Let me re-itterate yet again, I have no intention of telling anyone about it...I just thought it was a really crappy thing to do to a company that pays you so well and you're ready to leave asap yet, you'll wait for them to give you a good amount of money before you leave. His other job is already secured and he could technically start at the first of November.

Anyway, I'll be curious to know how HR handles it...maybe they'll tell me since I'm good friends with the lady but I will have to wait since I don't want anyone suspecting ME of leaving or even knowing about his departure before hand.

I plan on taking his position and it'll be a really nice advancement for me and I'll get a substantial increase in my cash flow which'll be nice. I know how the boss of the company works and what he wants so, I have no questions that he'll give me what I want for the position in the way that I'll be offering to fill it.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

So, for the commenters saying that I'm trying to 'grease' the wheels, that's not at ALL what I had in mind. I'm a shoe in for the position, I know how the company works and I already do about 90% of his job anyway for a substantially less amount....he looks over the contracts and does security audits...I manage the servers, the users, write up policies, etc. etc. In essence, I make HIM look good and I'm aware of this already. He's the (look at for no. 1) and that's it kinda guy. He brought me in because I do my job and I do it well, he's willing to take me anywhere it'll make him look good which is good and bad.

This guy's title was "VP" and that's all he did? How many employees do you have at your company?