What would happen if licensure was repealed?

Anarchist420

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There would be more new and original ideas, less medical bankruptcies, and less bureaucracy. The system here in the u.s. has more ideas than more fully socialist countries, but Americans are less pro-order so they can handle more ingenuity. Italy created 9% of the world's new drugs during the 20 year period that had limited patents; that is because Northern Italians have higher fluid intelligence than 80-95% of europe. The U.S. recycles so much waste because of the patent system; the fluid reasoning of all Americans being quite a bit higher than all those in the EU is going to waste due to extreme centralization! It is a shame that so many aren't even taking advantage of cutting red tape and getting cheap legal advice like off the internet under a non-personally Authoritarian president.

[Digression: Newt (and maybe Elizabeth Warren) is the only possible candidate for President who would change the world after Obama leaves office. I've gotten so much free, good stuff off the internet while Obama has been president that I never could've under Bush's Admin. A problem is my parents lack of desire to invest in real things that they could make more cash off of and my compulsiveness/laziness preventing me from seeking a job in a firm not funded by the State or the U.S.G.]
But back to topic...

Physicians often believe their way is the only way and licensure is partly way.

Licensure might keep the offices organized (those who go through so much schooling are more likely to be hyper-organized) but it doesn't do any good (my dad's old practice is so huge few know where to go; Riverside in Newport News is coercive and bureaucratic while they often don't even have the latest and best). It has come at the expense of medical fascism so a lot of people don't appreciate the differences between a mom and pop shop with original equipment vs an industrial grade hospital with old equipment or reform/latest year model equipment. The practice my dad founded got huge and as such overhead reached 4/5 for a fiscal year (IIRC) and was never lower than 1/2 each of the 5 last years he worked.

Cash in the banks claimed by my parents is currently not less than $1.2mn (yet taxable income was above $200k from 94-96) and we could be SOL once interest rates go up (he refuses to invest in anything real or even consult with those who were successful). Not all physicians are like that, but perhaps medical fascism makes for lazier less competent physicians. And my dad was so worried about money yet he could never invest on his own and he never took the right opportunities. And he just wouldn't cut through any red tape due to uncertainty and the INFJ desire to following the law. His hands feel good though, he had an excellent working memory, and he has done a lot of volunteering.

Anyway, I imagine license requirements will go down given more female physicians in the future and the feminine ability to handle disorder.

Additionally, suicide should be an option as some patients don't want to be reformed. The nurses are often as smart as the doctors these days so the nurses don't mind letting go.

So what would you do about licensure?
 

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clinical trials can cost a company multiple billions of dollars and tnen fail... no drug to market. if drug companies cannot make sufficient profits to cover future development costs and failures, there will be no new drug develoment.
 

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clinical trials can cost a company multiple billions of dollars and tnen fail... no drug to market. if drug companies cannot make sufficient profits to cover future development costs and failures, there will be no new drug develoment.
we don't need all the drugs we have do we? they're 90% farts and smell 90% the same as Kesha would maybe say.

personally, i need something beyond drugs.

what about licensure requirements?
 

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we don't need all the drugs we have do we? they're 90% farts and smell 90% the same as Kesha would maybe say.

personally, i need something beyond drugs.

what about licensure requirements?

the drugs comment was in references to patents that you mentioned.
on the "licensure" i'm not sure i understand what you mean
 

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do you mean that we should let anybody call themselves a medical doctor with no particular requirements to be fulfilled?
 

DCal430

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clinical trials can cost a company multiple billions of dollars and tnen fail... no drug to market. if drug companies cannot make sufficient profits to cover future development costs and failures, there will be no new drug develoment.

I am not sure what A420 is talking about, but I will respond to this. I agree we need patents to protect drug makers, but we also need limits on what they can charge.

Right now we have drugs that are needed for people to live, that run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. There are cancers that require life long term chemo maintenance drugs to keep them in a non-harmful state, basically these drugs need to be taken indefinitely, and they can run into the hundreds of thousands per year. There are other conditions too that require lifelong treatments that cost tens if not hundreds of thousands per year.

It isn't right that someone may need to spend millions over a life time just to stay alive, charging $500 a pill that needs to be taken daily for life, shouldn't be allowed.
 

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do you mean that we should let anybody call themselves a medical doctor with no particular requirements to be fulfilled?
doctorates are titles themselves. the market should be the soul determinant of who can practice medicine.

don't bother arguing with him. he ha s the IQ of a gnat.
why not allow massmedia to make that decision? I try not to alienate and I don't want you banned. i also didn't always have that low of an IQ even if it wasn't high.

intelligence is dynamic anyway (think about the environment and all the chemicals especially pharmaceutical being ingested); perhaps the toxins/chainshots after my birth contributed to my IQ going below the average.

It is partly up to the person who scores it because there is a lot of interpretation of how to score as well as bias. They're numbers and so they require induction to interpret so more have a chance in this world.

Also, some of the commentators on IQ are so deductively logical (i.e., too much deduction results in no new ideas) that they are far from the top of the intelligence caste. For example, IQ and the Wealth of Nations was an incredibly myopic view on IQ because GDP is determined from the top down. GDP is increased by red tape and govt expenditure. Too much emphasis on Verbal knowledge and language is probably what disallows production. Too much verbal knowledge like I have has increased the power of the State.

We suffer from military rule as the more inductive enlisted people get sensations from fooling the ultra-knowledgeable commissioned officers. The Radical pro-14th Amendment Republicans wanting so much power and being afraid to cooperate with Obama or to offer any original ideas is also a huge problem. Obama could be the last President of the United States who is independent of mind and personally non-authoritarian. The next president could be compulsive. and the cops and bureaucrats that obama can't fire are why there is so much risk. Obama increased absolute spending and absolute revenue at less than half the rate the GOP would've because Obama is liberal madisonian and wants all to be born free (bush's admin was security seeking). bush also wasn't clear enough that Bin Laden may have died in '01 (i don't believe that Obama was sure and that isn't bad). Then the MSM is mad at him for all of his Admin's control and dishonesty so they won't ever tell the truth; few could believe it anyway. The President may even have me killed at the end of his presidency. I hope someone who doesn't mind if I die actually is reading this and that few will try to risk using it for their dependently selfish interests. I wish I had the self-control to commit suicide on my own. But I have too much prenatal Testosterone and my head is too long and narrow; so I doubt I could die independently of another person.

The State centralizes knowledge too much and few are satisfied with it anyway. I have too much knowledge and the wrong kind due to the State. If only I could just die right now and never wake up again.
 

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I am not sure what A420 is talking about, but I will respond to this. I agree we need patents to protect drug makers, but we also need limits on what they can charge.

Right now we have drugs that are needed for people to live, that run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. There are cancers that require life long term chemo maintenance drugs to keep them in a non-harmful state, basically these drugs need to be taken indefinitely, and they can run into the hundreds of thousands per year. There are other conditions too that require lifelong treatments that cost tens if not hundreds of thousands per year.

It isn't right that someone may need to spend millions over a life time just to stay alive, charging $500 a pill that needs to be taken daily for life, shouldn't be allowed.

What? Not allow profits over people?

Crazy talk
 

DCal430

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Lets look at the drug Revlimid, a drug that needs to be taken 21 days a month, and for many people for the rest of their lives. This cancer drug that these people need to continue to live cost in the U.S about 500 to 700 a PILL, while in India this same pill cost about 20 to 30 a pill, more than 20 times cheaper.
 

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In my opinion... A420, you should diversify.

Get a hobby that has absolutely nothing to do with medicine, psychology, or politics.
 

Capt Caveman

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Lets look at the drug Revlimid, a drug that needs to be taken 21 days a month, and for many people for the rest of their lives. This cancer drug that these people need to continue to live cost in the U.S about 500 to 700 a PILL, while in India this same pill cost about 20 to 30 a pill, more than 20 times cheaper.

One company spent $ billions to develop, the other didn't. One, can be subject to legal action, the other is not.

And to the OP, yes, let's allow anyone to be a doctor. If you could only think, you would realize how much of a retarded idea that is.
 

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Lets look at the drug Revlimid, a drug that needs to be taken 21 days a month, and for many people for the rest of their lives. This cancer drug that these people need to continue to live cost in the U.S about 500 to 700 a PILL, while in India this same pill cost about 20 to 30 a pill, more than 20 times cheaper.

Yet there are programs that can help people with paying for Revlimid.

http://www.revlimid.com/mm-patient/resources/co-pay-card/

Get Co-Pay Assistance for REVLIMID

If you need assistance paying for your REVLIMID prescription, Celgene may be able to help. The Celgene Commercial Co-Pay Program for REVLIMID is for patients with commercial or private insurance who need co-pay support.
What are the benefits of the program?


  • Your out-of-pocket costs are only $25 per prescription
  • It can help pay for up to $10,000 of your co-pay, co-insurance, or deductible costs per year
Can I enroll in the program?

To enroll in the program, you must have:

  • Commercial or private insurance
  • A household income of $100,000 or less
  • Residence in the US or Puerto Rico
 

Thebobo

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So what would you do about licensure?

I would troll your thread with stupid drug info thread and insult you by claiming you have the intelligence of a gnat. Why do you folks bother make you feel superior?

Sorry I don't have an opinion on licensure but I do think Elizabeth Warren would make a fine president.
 

DCal430

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One company spent $ billions to develop, the other didn't. One, can be subject to legal action, the other is not.

And to the OP, yes, let's allow anyone to be a doctor. If you could only think, you would realize how much of a retarded idea that is.

In India they allow generics if the brand is excessively overpriced. Even in Canada and the UK this drug is around 400 a pill, this drug is over half Celgene revenue. Sick how this company exploits the dying.
 

DCal430

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To be clear I have no issue with drug companies making a profit, just that we need strict limits, especially if a drug is needed for an otherwise terminal disease.

I am also thinking maybe major drugs like this shouldn't be in the hands of private companies and it should be done only by the government. Maybe we should ban private companies from drug research.
 
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Anarchist420

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you really should get a psych eval by a licensed doctor.
thank you. please remember, however, i am predestined to suffer; licensed doctors can't end evil people. i am evil. my great grandmother was unwelcome in Eastern Pennsylvania and she had my grandmother's younger brother so she couldn't get deported and so the U.S. govt could get more powerful. I am a slave fixed by nature and fortune being combined by rape (everyone with my maternal genes is actually paternalistic and super compulsive meaning our minds can't be free). that can't be changed.

the Emergency Quota Act and the National Origins Act of 1924 tried to excuse the Radical Republicans and the 14th Amendment but the 14th Amendment is the FDR was of the Constitution... clearly, there is no going back after the 14th Amendment just like there was no going back after FDR. But the 13th Amendment killed the Constitution because aristocratic governments are supposed to be ratified by consent of the descendants of at least 2/3 the signatories. And the Constitution killed the mosaic democracy Articles of Confederation that was ratified. Pure liberalism became a pipe dream because of the Nationalists in 1774; Thomas Jefferson and James Madison and 99% of all Citizens then Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren along with ~95% of all Citizens supported it to the best of their ability but they became they were defeated by the combination of nature and force.

Joseph Stalin, George W Bush, and FDR were born with no self-control. I wasn't either so I hope I can be reduced to nothing other than ashes within 2 years today; without me making anyone in Newport News ill again; and without causing issues where I live now. But prenatal testosterone correlates with my mitochondrial genes and maybe my Y-DNA so I need someone to end me. ultra compulsive people born with low right hand 2d4d ratio never (or rarely) commit suicide. i can't inductively reason; my mom couldn't. her mom couldn't. although i am sure you already saw enough of the pattern. you are a good person and i want to thank everyone for their tolerance even though I accidentally forced it with the virus of centralist power.
 

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it's a tough one with drug companies and limits.
It's crystal clear that patients paying absurd amounts of money to not die from their disease is atrocious and needs to be stopped.

It is also clear to me that the multi-billion dollar risks that drug companies take for trials (not all trials cost this much) need to be offset by profits. If the companies only make back what they spent on development the 1st failed trial would end the company. On the other hand this isn't iPhones so tens of billions of profits (not reinvested in new drug development) is pretty atrocious as well.

We need drug companies and yet... it shouldn't be a dice roll on whether or not you are destined to be bankrupt for life because of a bad gene or 2.

Unless govt is prepared to fully fund clinical trials with an unbridled enthusiasm and expediency, what are we to do?