What workout makes you punch harder

[Red Dawn]

That lack of experience taking on the unions will be your undoing. Those teachers are dangerous.

Especially if they've been drinking beer at a Waffle House.

 

[Jeeebus]

no it's actually F=ma...mass and acceleration. I made a mistake saying acceleration squared.

you have no clue.

To RedDawn...please post up your full body...mine is in a pretty recent ATHF post.

you been exchanging twitter pics with Congressman Weiner again?

 

[CrazyAznDriver]

Haha my money is on old man Red Dawn over the troll alkemyst.

 

[GoNiners!]

This thread took a turn for the funny. Thanks for the morning laugh folks.

To the OP, you don't want to go into an interview with a future employer and have to explain the assault and battery misdemeanor on your record. It is not worth it.

I have a good friend who had to deal with all of that because some guy insulted his wife and they threw down in a club. A night in jail, countless $k's of dollars later, probation, fines, good behavior and he was able to get it expunged. He was also sued by the guy in civil court cause my buddy tore the guys miniscus with a kick from the get go.

Talking about this stuff is all fine and dandy but seriously it is a bad idea to go out with the mentality of expecting to have mix it up with some knuckleheads. Your judgment will already be impaired from the alcohol.

To those that have been in real street fights, you know rule number one is to find whatever you can near you and use it as a weapon. This isn't the Octogon with a ref and rules. You put the guy down as quick as possible by any means to minimize the risk to yourself and your loved ones.

You should be focusing on eye gouging and kicks/punch to the groin over punching technique. But like I already said, in the long haul, it is not worth it unless it is life and death. Being a gun owner who shoots on a regular basis, life and death situations mean something totally different to me than some smack talking drunk. I sure as hell don't want to go to jail and lose my second ammendment right because of beating up some drunk retard.

**Edit**
Just want to add that even though I never got arrested for any of the fights I was involved with, I feel incredibly guilty about them now. If I could find those guys and apologize to them I would. I am a better man now than I was then. When I face the Almighty at my time of judgment, the only answer I will have for those actions was that I did them for the sake of my own vanity and ego. I expect to be punished accordingly.

 

[alanwest09872]

This thread took a turn for the funny. Thanks for the morning laugh folks.

To the OP, you don't want to go into an interview with a future employer and have to explain the assault and battery misdemeanor on your record. It is not worth it.

I have a good friend who had to deal with all of that because some guy insulted his wife and they threw down in a club. A night in jail, countless $k's of dollars later, probation, fines, good behavior and he was able to get it expunged. He was also sued by the guy in civil court cause my buddy tore the guys miniscus with a kick from the get go.

Talking about this stuff is all fine and dandy but seriously it is a bad idea to go out with the mentality of expecting to have mix it up with some knuckleheads. Your judgment will already be impaired from the alcohol.

To those that have been in real street fights, you know rule number one is to find whatever you can near you and use it as a weapon. This isn't the Octogon with a ref and rules. You put the guy down as quick as possible by any means to minimize the risk to yourself and your loved ones.

You should be focusing on eye gouging and kicks/punch to the groin over punching technique. But like I already said, in the long haul, it is not worth it unless it is life and death. Being a gun owner who shoots on a regular basis, life and death situations mean something totally different to me than some smack talking drunk. I sure as hell don't want to go to jail and lose my second ammendment right because of beating up some drunk retard.

Very true information and alot to think about. Again thou this is just for self defence purposes incase some asshole with a god complex starts with me and theres no way out. Trust me I would much rather not fight someone unless I absolutely have to. I didnt even think about getting a weapon before thats a good idea. In street fighting theres no such thing as dirty fighting all goes.

 

[wheresmybacon]

 

[DAPUNISHER]

In MMA I notice the Karate dudes like Machida approach striking much differently than the boxers and MT guys. A striker like Rampage will twist his hips and really up wind up his punches. Where Machida kind of just throws straight forward with no wind up but still generates a ton of power. Somebody else mentioned Karate, I think that would be a good starting point, Karate fighters have awesome balance and are effective with strikes. And none of their strikes look telegraphed at all.

The term for what you have observed, is koshi waza, and there are multiple components to it. It is difficult to learn, hence, a major reason why it takes so long to get proficient at Japanese karate-do&jutsu. The number of instructors qualified to teach it, is, regrettably, far fewer than the number of dojos here state side. Particularly given how many dojos are filled with LARPers now.

All striking disciplines share a similar goal, blunt force trauma. And while they do not all approach it the same way, they can all be very effective at achieving that goal.

OP: As has been mentioned: Of utmost importance, is quality instruction. Because, if you develop bad mechanics now, the difficulty in correcting it later, is often greatly compounded.

 

[Icepick]

I carry a Ruger.

Quite possibly the worst advice for the kind of self defense the op is asking about and not relevant to this thread. Besides, permits to carry pistols are very hard to obtain in most states unless you're in the law enforcement profession.

 

[Icepick]

And a few weeks of boxing classes will be enough to teach you that, then you can use a heavy bag safely without building bad habits.

Well, not the bit about cheesy fries, that's understood.

Took me a lot longer than a few weeks. It was at least a year before I felt like my body was finally doing what I wanted it to and in line with my punches. Then again, it was only a once-per-week boxing/stamina class with lots of weight lifting, running in between. From the way the Op is describing himself I'd say he would want to train in a class for much longer than a few weeks before feeling confident enough to not walk away from knuckleheads in a bar.

 

[Icepick]

Op, IMHO, the best advice in this thread is coming from people who say
1. Take a fighting class (martial arts, MMA, boxing, whatever) and stick with it for several months/years to build your confidence.
2. Learn to detect dangerous situations and avoid them.
3. When confronted by idiots be prepared to walk away when possible.

Like others have said, do everything in your power to avoid physical confrontation.

IMHO, when you look fit and walk with an air of confidence and a sense of awareness/preparedness, the kind of knuckleheads/idiots who would start sh** for no reason are the kind of people who will avoid you and look for the next person who isn't prepared.

 

[Icepick]

Just because you can punch hard doesn't mean you will win a fight. Especially if you are in an internet chat room asking for advice on 'how to punch hard'. Your best bet would be to go enroll in some MMA classes and get a few months experience.

Personally, I think a well placed punch will always be better than a hard one. You ever get tagged in the nose by accident? Hard for your opponent to fight if their eyes won't stop watering.

I've talked with guys who were competitive MMA athletes and these guys train every day for several hours/day.

One of my friends "sampled" an MMA class and enrolled. He was basically treated as the "noob" and became their punching bag. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but, you have to earn respect and pay your "dues" at these places. I think it would be good to train with the MMA guys because at the beginning you'll learn how to take a few punches and to handle getting roughed up a bit in a reasonably controlled environment.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I've talked with guys who were competitive MMA athletes and these guys train every day for several hours/day.

One of my friends "sampled" an MMA class and enrolled. He was basically treated as the "noob" and became their punching bag. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but, you have to earn respect and pay your "dues" at these places. I think it would be good to train with the MMA guys because at the beginning you'll learn how to take a few punches and to handle getting roughed up a bit in a reasonably controlled environment.

The MMA classes are primarily for guys looking to compete, at least in the 3 gyms where I've trained. If you are going to jump right in, without building your skill set in the grappling, and stand up classes first, then your friend's story is very possible.

However, the CSW, BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai, and/or kickboxing classes are not like that. You can get smashed your first night in BJJ, if you want to. But, you can also just do warm ups, drill, and then watch or bail when rolling starts. Depending on who the coach/professor is, experiences will differ if you do roll. Provided the academy even allows you to. Some have you train a while before you start to roll.

The stand up classes will just have you do partner drills, bag and pad work, and shadow box/fight until you have a basic skill set. Then they will let you move to some sparring if you like. If they are moving you faster than you want to go, just say so. If they give you a hard time about it, maybe it is time to find a new gym.

Just wanted to post some anecdotes, in case anyone considering trying an MMA gym, is put off by your post. They are safe, fun, places to train. But there are douchers everywhere. So, be selective about who you train with i.e. if your partner is too rough, a spaz, or smashing you just because he can, talk to them about it. If they continue with the behavior, do not work with them anymore. Let the coach know your problem first though, because they can often correct the problem.

 

[Icepick]

The MMA classes are primarily for guys looking to compete, at least in the 3 gyms where I've trained. If you are going to jump right in, without building your skill set in the grappling, and stand up classes first, then your friend's story is very possible.

However, the CSW, BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai, and/or kickboxing classes are not like that. You can get smashed your first night in BJJ, if you want to. But, you can also just do warm ups, drill, and then watch or bail when rolling starts. Depending on who the coach/professor is, experiences will differ if you do roll. Provided the academy even allows you to. Some have you train a while before you start to roll.

The stand up classes will just have you do partner drills, bag and pad work, and shadow box/fight until you have a basic skill set. Then they will let you move to some sparring if you like. If they are moving you faster than you want to go, just say so. If they give you a hard time about it, maybe it is time to find a new gym.

Just wanted to post some anecdotes, in case anyone considering trying an MMA gym, is put off by your post. They are safe, fun, places to train. But there are douchers everywhere. So, be selective about who you train with i.e. if your partner is too rough, a spaz, or smashing you just because he can, talk to them about it. If they continue with the behavior, do not work with them anymore. Let the coach know your problem first though, because they can often correct the problem.

All good points. I really didn't mean to come off as negative on MMA training. My impression of it is that it really seems geared toward people who are into competitive fighting. The kickboxing and other types of classes would be a better fit for the op from his description.

Also - There are a few gyms in my area that offer cardio kickboxing classes. Those are STACKED with women (I'm talking a class of 30 women and three or four guys.) That would be an excellent place to get a cardio workout while practicing punching with the bonus of being surrounded by hot, fit women.

 

[alkemyst]

9th round

lolz

 

[Schadenfreude]

Soo . . . OP is asking what he can do to make his punches harder on a web forum for tech enthusiasts, and people are trying to teach him . . . over the internet. Couple that with some forum members (granted, 1 is a known . . . "personality" for doing that anyways) measuring their e-penises on top of that.

Wow. +1 internets for you, OP.

(And go take some lessons instead of asking us internet dorks)

 

[tedrodai]

(And go take some lessons instead of asking us internet dorks)

lol dude

I guess if you skim over just a few posts you might get that impression, but this is what pretty much everyone else has said: "This is what you need to learn and you learn it by taking classes and practicing."

We bow to your wisdom to guide him away from all us dorks. Anywho, this isn't a very useful post, so I apologize to you for being stupid even as I move my mouse down to click "Submit Reply"...

 

[Schadenfreude]

lol dude

I guess if you skim over just a few posts you might get that impression, but this is what pretty much everyone else has said: "This is what you need to learn and you learn it by taking classes and practicing."

We bow to your wisdom to guide him away from all us dorks. Anywho, this isn't a very useful post, so I apologize to you for being stupid even as I move my mouse down to click "Submit Reply"...

Dork.

All asshat-ery aside (I still think all y'all are dorks, I just want to make that clear), learning to punch isn't something you can just do from a book - or in case, the internet.

- How do you learn the proper stance/footwork for proper power delivery?
- How do you learn the proper distancing for a punch, let alone how to get in proper range?
- How do you figure out the proper timing for a punch/recognize the openings/know where to punch?

Again, not necessarily disagreeing with the other dorks in this thread (as I count myself in your company), just saying he needs to learn form a real live human face-to-face, that's all (you dork ).

 

[Pantlegz]

Dork.

All asshat-ery aside (I still think all y'all are dorks, I just want to make that clear), learning to punch isn't something you can just do from a book - or in case, the internet.

- How do you learn the proper stance/footwork for proper power delivery?
- How do you learn the proper distancing for a punch, let alone how to get in proper range?
- How do you figure out the proper timing for a punch/recognize the openings/know where to punch?

Again, not necessarily disagreeing with the other dorks in this thread (as I count myself in your company), just saying he needs to learn form a real live human face-to-face, that's all (you dork ).

Isn't this what most everyone suggested?

 

[Schadenfreude]

Isn't this what most everyone suggested?

Riiiight.

. . .not necessarily disagreeing with the other dorks in this thread . . .

(Dork )

 

[Smoove910]

Riiiight.



(Dork )

wow, someone didn't read the whole thread... but then again getting that tramp stamp on his back was probably keeping him from concentrating on reading...

 

[z1ggy]

I skimped through this thread a bit, but if the OP reads this, my best advice would be to kick/punch the balls, throat, nose or solorplexus ( sorry about spelling ). Realistically, since you sound like you are worried about somebody coming after you, more than likely you will be getting sucker punched. If that doesn't knock you out, then do what I said b/c if you are asking ATer's how to punch I don't think you'd stand much chance against anybody who has any clue how to box. Sorry no offense man, just being real with you.

Now to help you, so you don't get the piss beat out of you, I do suggest starting out with some boxing class. But let me say, just because you take a boxing class doesn't mean you are going to turn into Ali overnight. You should also take jiu jitsu, because often fights can end up on the ground. Having a good guard will be helpful in protecting yourself in a 1v1 fight. If its 2/3/more v1, then DO NOT ever go to the ground. You will get kicked and stomped out. Nothing beats practice.. LIVE practice. Sparring & rolling with people who are your own weight/skill level is key. Hitting a heavy bag isn't going to do much except help you get in shape, and practice form. Both super important. The bag doesn't hit back or move though. Good luck and seriously.. try to stay out of trouble.

 

[Schadenfreude]

wow, someone didn't read the whole thread... but then again getting that tramp stamp on his back was probably keeping him from concentrating on reading...

(assuming that you're talking about moi)

Woah there buckaroo, what crawled up your ass and died?

Okay okay, maybe I started it by calling all y'all dorks - by all means I was including myself in this classification and wasn't expecting such a . . . reaction. Let me be the first to apologize for my egregious mis-post and rephrase my original post.

Dear OP: You should not be asking these . . . proper gents in the ways of pugilism. While they may have good intentions and professional grand-master status on e-trolling, I can't help but notice the flagrant machismo evident in some of the items posted, which may distract you from your initial endeavors (to which I've contributed, it seems. My apologies).

I agree with the majority of the posters in that you should seek help in regards to the gentlemanly sport; unlike the sport of say, running or a general calisthenics routine which is also good for the spirit, improper advice or unsupervised practice may do you more harm than good in your pugilistic endeavors. I would suggest finding a reputable boxing gym or martial arts club and working out with the chaps there.

Working out with the chaps will give you other benefits, it improved your physical fitness, morale, and your humours will also improve. That'll teach those scullywags to confront you!

I wish you good day sir. And go take some lessons instead of asking us internet dorks

 

[alkemyst]

I skimped through this thread a bit, but if the OP reads this, my best advice would be to kick/punch the balls, throat, nose or solorplexus ( sorry about spelling ).

I don't think you understand what you are talking about. First, to kick or esp. punch a man in the nuts is pretty difficult. We have a natural instinct to defend that move...seasoned fighters don't even waste their time attempting that move either.

You punch someone in the throat only if you are intending to kill them.

Nose/solar plexus are again pretty hard targets to dial in on.

If you think you have no way out, aim for the side of the face; preferably jaw. Don't make too much of a wide hooking motion. Know how to punch first so you don't break your fist.

 

[Howard]

I don't think you understand what you are talking about. First, to kick or esp. punch a man in the nuts is pretty difficult. We have a natural instinct to defend that move...seasoned fighters don't even waste their time attempting that move either.

You punch someone in the throat only if you are intending to kill them.

Nose/solar plexus are again pretty hard targets to dial in on.

If you think you have no way out, aim for the side of the face; preferably jaw. Don't make too much of a wide hooking motion. Know how to punch first so you don't break your fist.

And by knowing how to punch the face, you are referring to palm striking, right?

 

[alkemyst]

And by knowing how to punch the face, you are referring to palm striking, right?

no, I said punch. Most people will not be able to deliver proper palm, chop, finger, knuckle strikes.