What workout makes you punch harder

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alkemyst

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No offense alky but older 'dojo's' aren't going to be much help in a 'real' fight. Most of them only teach technique or have very limited sparring. We have guys from a local judo dojo that come to our mma gym to get live sparring in because they just don't do it there. I know given his physical issues that going to a mma gym where they spar on a regular basis might not be an option but hitting with good technique/getting hit is about the best way to learn to fight. You can read for months about how to throw a punch but until you have someone moving in front of you it's really not going to do any good. If anything I'd recommend a boxing gym where they spend a few months just working on technique and form before you get to any sparring. It would be nice and slow(er) paced and not too much stress on the back.

Many places have 'extra cirricular' stuff. At two places I knew of (one I was a student of), after hours were the things that worked in real life and not a tournament/philosophy.

Most of the MMA schools are nothing but old boxing places with some 20 something instructor. A few are really good though, but rare.

Seriously though even a pure Karate or Tae Kwon Do school will have you punching properly within the first few classes. Then it's just practice.

Even early on as an Orange belt I was able to ring the bell of those punching bags at the fair all the rednecks have to run up and pop. I did it from a straight stance [of dominance].
 

alkemyst

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Absolutely avoid fighting if you can. No matter how good you are there's still a chance you can get seriously hurt. Walk away, or run if you have to. Pick up poop from the ground and make them think you're crazy or just leave you alone (story from my Judo sensei).

Punching is like throwing a baseball or hitting a tennis ball. If you watch carefully, they put their entire body into it. Everything is a smooth motion. They're not just using their one arm. Even for (good) punches where it seems like they're not moving much, they're building a lot of power from the rest of their body.

If you are in a situation you cannot avoid, stay calm and see how to get out of it as quickly as possible. Play dirty if you have to, but get away. If they're going to fight you, they're not going to play fair anyways.

In general, I recommend to be in good overall physical shape. Being fit will allow you to run faster and potentially if they see you're in good shape they'll avoid picking on you and fighting you. Take some self-defense classes. I found Judo to be a great exercise and sport.

Outside of good luck finding a pile of crap in most places someone starts with you, good advice.

Very few of the fights I have been in I could say I wasn't hurt a bit and very lucky not to have had a major injury. A lot of the most buff fighter types end up losing to the end of a bottle, knife, chair, or worse. Most antagonists have nothing to lose that are serious. Those that are just mouthy bitches usually go away with intimidation or easily with a choke or slap.

Growing up I ended up in clubs early on, like 15-16...I looked older and met older chicks. Along with this came the cro-magnon types that didn't like a teenager stole their dance partner.

Shit got serious for a couple years when I pissed off some local gangs. It culminated into me going away for college and losing everyone's number that could be a link back. I had been shot at more than once. Beat with boards and other weapons...fortunately I knew how to defend myself and always got away mostly better than worse.

If you are truly confident and have no problem unleashing that haymaker should you need too, usually most fights end fast. If you allow a guy to push you around, it tends to perk up those around you. As soon as things go south expect sucker punches and random kicks.

If I know shit is coming down, I go and find another place unless it's petty. No matter how good you think you are 2-3 on one is a losing battle in a bar/club usually and quickly turns into 10 on one with opportunists.

One of the biggest cards you can have in your sleeve, is to simply get to a bar a little early and chat up the staff. Show the bouncers and bar staff you are the even-headed, normal dude that just wants to get laid/have fun that night. Usually they have your back.

Also some dojos have 'special interest' classes you have to ask about. My instructor was world ranked (and later ended up transfered due to demand) and did workshops for rape victims that worried about repeat attacks, guys going to prison/getting their asses kicked daily, etc.

I will say real defense type classes aren't for everyone. There is usually pretty good contact.
 

alkemyst

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Don't cry now.

Seriously dude, forget about it. I am sure you have your stories from back in the day playing kickball and someone cheated at the park...real adult type stuff is much different than fighting at 9 or 10.

Some of the bad advice above comes from those saying "well I don't know because I don't have experience, but I am sure I'd kick anyone's ass".

Very few adults have really fought as adults. I tend to put my nose into stuff that stinks and sometimes it brings some pain to all parties involved.
 

alkemyst

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thicker/denser forearms will put more behind it, naturally. Pivoting shoulder/hips will give power. Driving through the feet will give even more. All that said though, speed is more important. Lots of speed.

Force=mass*acceleration^2

Most guys really can't do much on the mass of their fist (and why boxers usually have massive ones...there are some life-sized posters to compare how you measure up), but they can improve their speed.

In my gym there was a poster/mural of Holyfield, Clay, Ali, Frazier, etc's ungloved fists all lined up. There was absolutely no one in the gym that had equal fists...some may have been stronger dudes, but that doesn't win boxing matches or deliver knockouts.

Also a lot is not so much sheer speed, but also not wasting it over-reacting to your opponents strikes/feints. Many times when someone started with me to others it looked like he had the fight...a couple glancing blows off me, some pretty good misses...asshat's friends cheering it on, only to have me deliver a single strike or grapple (usually a choke or a more or less open handed strike to their nose or ear, but then I always feel bad about it afterwards anyway).
 

QueBert

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In MMA I notice the Karate dudes like Machida approach striking much differently than the boxers and MT guys. A striker like Rampage will twist his hips and really up wind up his punches. Where Machida kind of just throws straight forward with no wind up but still generates a ton of power. Somebody else mentioned Karate, I think that would be a good starting point, Karate fighters have awesome balance and are effective with strikes. And none of their strikes look telegraphed at all.
 

alkemyst

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In MMA I notice the Karate dudes like Machida approach striking much differently than the boxers and MT guys. A striker like Rampage will twist his hips and really up wind up his punches. Where Machida kind of just throws straight forward with no wind up but still generates a ton of power. Somebody else mentioned Karate, I think that would be a good starting point, Karate fighters have awesome balance and are effective with strikes. And none of their strikes look telegraphed at all.

In reality though most of any of those fighters are not strict to their styles. It used to be called Kenpo/Kempo...but it was the beginning of MMA. Only thing different now is they added in the wrestling / grappling which is fun to watch.

Watching PPV matches <> what those fighters would do in real life. For one 90% of the time you are facing someone with no training, 95% of the time, they went to a dojo with a pay for belt/automatic belt after x amount of time program.

If the did have to face a fighter on the street that knew the game, they'd go for a crippling/critical move and be done with it. You aren't going for points/fans on the street.
 

Red Dawn

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Seriously dude, forget about it. I am sure you have your stories from back in the day playing kickball and someone cheated at the park...real adult type stuff is much different than fighting at 9 or 10.

Some of the bad advice above comes from those saying "well I don't know because I don't have experience, but I am sure I'd kick anyone's ass".

Very few adults have really fought as adults. I tend to put my nose into stuff that stinks and sometimes it brings some pain to all parties involved.

I hope nobody here is buying this guys BS. I've seen your recent pics and I'm betting you'd gas out in 20 seconds if you ever got into a physical confrontation. You don't look like you have any stamina at all except when it came to eating a second helping of cheesy fries.
 

Woosta

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@Red Dawn - looks can be deceiving...

The greatest fighter of all time in MMA looks like a Russian Homer Simpson:

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Red Dawn

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@Red Dawn - looks can be deceiving...

The greatest fighter of all time in MMA looks like a Russian Homer Simpson:

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Oh there is always exceptions to the rules but those exceptions don't go on Internet Forums talking about how bad they are.
 

MrEgo

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Force=mass*acceleration^2

Just nitpicking, kinda.. but I think you mean velocity squared. Regardless, how fast you punch has a much more devastating effect than how heavy your arm is, which was the point I think you were making.
 

alkemyst

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Just nitpicking, kinda.. but I think you mean velocity squared. Regardless, how fast you punch has a much more devastating effect than how heavy your arm is, which was the point I think you were making.

no it's actually F=ma...mass and acceleration. I made a mistake saying acceleration squared.

you have no clue.

To RedDawn...please post up your full body...mine is in a pretty recent ATHF post.
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alkemyst

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What the heck is that about?

you never been in a fight and giving instructions?

I am in Monroe MI now. If you never fought you were really sheltered...fuck a union busload was in this local diner all drinking beers over LUNCH then wanted to fight someone.
 

MrEgo

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you never been in a fight and giving instructions?

I am in Monroe MI now. If you never fought you were really sheltered...fuck a union busload was in this local diner all drinking beers over LUNCH then wanted to fight someone.

Where are you going with the fact that you live in Monroe?
 

Red Dawn

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no it's actually F=ma...mass and acceleration. I made a mistake saying acceleration squared.

you have no clue.

To RedDawn...please post up your full body...mine is in a pretty recent ATHF post.
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Well I haven't be trolling facebook looking to get laid so I haven't any pics of myself flexing in front of the bathroom mirror.

I do have this one taken of me @ Yosemite a few years ago (yes gracie I was flexing and my family gives me shit for that )
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Red Dawn

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you never been in a fight and giving instructions?

I am in Monroe MI now. If you never fought you were really sheltered...fuck a union busload was in this local diner all drinking beers over LUNCH then wanted to fight someone.

A Union busload of what, Teachers?
 

Red Dawn

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I seemed to have pissed them off.
You steal their Cheesy Fries?

To the OP, the secret to throwing a hard punch has more to do with foot work and using your hips and legs for the power like others in this thread have said.

Now some have said not to use a Heavy Bag because it teaches you bad habits. Well I guess if you are going to fight for sport that could be true but using it really will help you improve your punching power, just make sure you use your legs and hips and keeps your punches compact. Also be careful with your hands. Make sure that your hands and wrists are slightly cocked inwards when you make contact. I roll my wrist inward when I hit the bag but just slightly, not exagerated at all. Doing this keeps you from injuring your wrist and also causes your hand to grip properly and be in the proper position when making contact so you won't injure your knuckles.

As for assholes at the bar looking for a fight, the best way to deal with those guys is to just ignore them and walk away. Of course if they steal your Cheesy Fries, well a man's gotta do what a nan's gotta do;)
 

MotF Bane

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You steal their Cheesy Fries?

To the OP, the secret to throwing a hard punch has more to do with foot work and using your hips and legs for the power like others in this thread have said.

Now some have said not to use a Heavy Bag because it teaches you bad habits. Well I guess if you are going to fight for sport that could be true but using it really will help you improve your punching power, just make sure you use your legs and hips and keeps your punches compact. Also be careful with your hands. Make sure that your hands and wrists are slightly cocked inwards when you make contact. I roll my wrist inward when I hit the bag but just slightly, not exagerated at all. Doing this keeps you from injuring your wrist and also causes your hand to grip properly and be in the proper position when making contact so you won't injure your knuckles.

As for assholes at the bar looking for a fight, the best way to deal with those guys is to just ignore them and walk away. Of course if they steal your Cheesy Fries, well a man's gotta do what a nan's gotta do;)

And a few weeks of boxing classes will be enough to teach you that, then you can use a heavy bag safely without building bad habits.

Well, not the bit about cheesy fries, that's understood.
 

Red Dawn

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Given the pictures shown, my money is on Red over Alky any day of the week.

Well I'm about 20 lbs lighter than when that pic was taken, I'm 57 and I don't have the experience of fighting busloads of Union Teachers so who really knows and more importantly, who really cares?
 

MotF Bane

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Well I'm about 20 lbs lighter than when that pic was taken, I'm 57 and I don't have the experience of fighting busloads of Union Teachers so who really knows and more importantly, who really cares?

That lack of experience taking on the unions will be your undoing. Those teachers are dangerous.