What will make carriers obsolete?

JEDI

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Planes made battleships obsolete.
I predict drones will make carriers obsolete, at least the $10B carriers.

Heck, You can probably modify old oil tankers as drone carriers.

The top of the tankers are flat so you can launch.
Plenty of space to store drones & missiles.
Plus it's an oil tanker so it already has fuel storage capabilities
 

highland145

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Planes made battleships obsolete.
I predict drones will make carriers obsolete, at least the $10B carriers.

Heck, You can probably modify old oil tankers as drone carriers.

The top of the tankers are flat so you can launch.
Plenty of space to store drones & missiles.
Plus it's an oil tanker so it already has fuel storage capabilities
Meth?
 

mindless1

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Seems like a downgrade, doesn't make sense to me. A drone still needs an equivalent support ship if it's a similar enough size needed for the weight of bombs and guns. If anything I'd see the carriers getting a lot more advanced if they're spending more and more time further from port, and that meaning more nuclear power not huge fuel tanks which would likely be areas you wouldn't want to have as a target.
 
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Bartman39

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Uh oil tankers are slow as molasses while a modern aircraft carrier is pretty quick... Plus a tanker is just flat out designed wrong to be a carrier type of craft even with a deck on it...

But what is already making carriers obsolete is their size period (also just what you said drones and missiles I would think)... I think we should invest in many more destroyers and cruisers and also consider building 20-25 plane aircraft carriers which would be much smaller and many and I mean many more nuclear subs...
 

OutHouse

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Uh oil tankers are slow as molasses while a modern aircraft carrier is pretty quick... Plus a tanker is just flat out designed wrong to be a carrier type of craft even with a deck on it...

But what is already making carriers obsolete is their size period (also just what you said drones and missiles I would think)... I think we should invest in many more destroyers and cruisers and also consider building 20-25 plane aircraft carriers which would be much smaller and many and I mean many more nuclear subs...

nothing is making carriers obsolete. i swear is everybody high tonight?
 
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Any enemy with an actual munitions budget.

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You launch enough missiles, some of them are getting hits.
 

GagHalfrunt

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nothing is making carriers obsolete. i swear is everybody high tonight?

Admirals used to say that about the battleship too. Carriers will become obsolete too, it's going to happen. It's just a question of energy now. Once we work out how to harness enough of it to power rail guns to destroy ships OTH or beam weapons strong enough to shoot down planes the carrier will wind up on the scrap heap with the long bow, the dreadnaught or the mounted knight. A game changer that came and went.
 

Kaido

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Seems like a downgrade, doesn't make sense to me. A drone still needs an equivalent support ship if it's a similar enough size needed for the weight of bombs and guns. If anything I'd see the carriers getting a lot more advanced if they're spending more and more time further from port, and that meaning more nuclear power not huge fuel tanks which would likely be areas you wouldn't want to have as a target.

Yeah, but you could have a smaller ship for the drones, or even an automated ship, and you could put a TON of those floating in international waters around the world instead of just a few big carriers with tons of people onboard. And it makes sense, from an affected personnel perspective - the strikes can get even more "surgical" with the ever-decreasing size & increasing speed & functionality of the drones, in terms of reducing the risk to soldiers & reducing non-targeted casualties. Nobody wants to start a nuclear war, because everyone knows that the whole world would turn to ash because everyone would nuke each other, which is why groups like ISIS are fighting in the style they do, which is where drone technology becomes more applicable. Stuff like swarm tech is getting pretty crazy:


And they're working on making drones even more suitable for helping individual soldiers. This video shows off a cool mini-helicopter that can evac a wounded person:


It can do precision supply drops within 3 meters & fits in a cargo van:

http://www.dragonflypictures.com/products/unmanned-vehicles/dp-14-hawk/

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War is always war & will always be awful, but the game keeps changing thanks to technology. Everything is logged in a database somewhere these days. The amount of data available is staggering. We know the names of virtually every American soldier killed in the Iraq & Afghanistan wars:

https://qz.com/411623/the-names-of-the-6828-americans-who-have-died-in-afghanistan-and-iraq/

And speaking statistically, those numbers have decreased dramatically from wars past. Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan) killed 2,351 Americans, Iraqi Freedom killed 4,412 Americans, and New Dawn killed 66 Americans. For comparison, the Korean war claimed 30k+ American lives and the Vietnam war claimed 50k+ American lives. Granted, those were on a vastly different scale than "modern" wars, but the idea of using technology to help to reduce unwanted casualties on both sides is a good thing. I'd hate to see things turn into "1984" (just look at Britain's insane Big Brother camera system), but drone technology keeps improving & seems to be helping in reducing who dies (on both sides). I've lost a number of friends to wars in the last 15-20 years...I wonder how many of them would be alive today if they could have sent out drones in their places.
 

Kaido

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I predict drones will make carriers obsolete, at least the $10B carriers.

Drone tech is improving at a crazy rate, especially for the little ones. Last year, Gizmodo posted an article about the military's super-fast 45mph quadcopter:

https://gizmodo.com/holy-hell-the-us-military-made-the-fast-quadcopter-ive-1758807512

A month later, DJI had a $1,400 Phantom consumer drone out that could match the speed:

https://gizmodo.com/djis-phantom-4-is-blazingly-fast-and-almost-crash-pro-1762136683

Their current professional-series Inspire 2 drone can hit 58mph out of the box:

https://www.dji.com/inspire-2

Plus it can operate up to 4.3 miles away. And that's just the consumer-grade stuff that you can order online...imagine what the military has these days!
 

urvile

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Everything is logged in a database somewhere these days. The amount of data available is staggering.

There is a lot of data gathering during exercises as well. Drones and AI that can make it's own decisions is the next big step. There is a lot of money being pumped into automated weapons research and they are already being deployed.

This one isn't deployed yet: :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Taranis
 

Ken g6

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Tranes. (Not trains.) They're hard to stop. ;)
 

blankslate

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Rail Guns

Not a bad bet considering the stand off range but then the Carrier can have its planes attack that gun from afar... assuming they're worried about something like that.

Must be a reason why we're sinking R&D money into getting them first


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Exterous

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Drones, rail guns and the like might make carriers obsolete eventually but that will be a long process unless we end up with another huge war. Absent that carriers are going to be around for a long time as its unlikely our current trend of enemies (Afghanistan, Syria etc) will be deploying rail guns and drone swarms.
 

sdifox

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Just plain old cruise missles with updated warhead will be very bad news for carrier group.