What will happen to Middle East after Tunicia, Egypt, Jordan ...

[nyker96]

What will happen to Middle East if Tuncia, Egypt, Jordan etc. all US Allies are possibly toppled? Will our safety be threatened? More terrorist attacks incoming? Did our overly controlling actions in the Middle East not us safty but increased our long term security risks in the region? Were our actions there perceived as Anti-Muslim resulting in these protects? Will our Middle East agenda be hampered? What will happen to Israel? What's our next move? Was our support for undemocratic regimes that are pro-west yet unpopular a wise choice?

What are your thoughts on this?

 

[iGas]

IMHO, business will be as usual because Washington fully understand that it can't compete against the Chinese Yuan for oil. Hence, strong arming the people will not work, therefore Western countries will have to compete for the oil with dollars instead of weapons.

 

[3chordcharlie]

I wonder if Top Gear would be willing to make their pilgrimage now...

 

[TheBDB]

This is going to turn out good for us. I don't foresee conservative religious groups that are anti-west coming to power in these countries. Freedom and economic prosperity for the average Arab will eventually lessen their hatred of us.

 

[PsiStar]

Look for a job minimizing driving your car to get to it.
Hope/pray for better batteries for electric cars.

 

[Lemon law]

Our OP asks, "What's our next move?"

And a chess player would point out that even if they think quite a few moves ahead, the opposing chess player has to wait for their opponent moves.

So in that sense, we have to wait to see what happens to Tunisia, Egypt, Jordon and rest of the mid-east first.

Because every time one side of the other moves, the chess board changes, certain tactic become no longer viable concerns, and whole new worlds of new future moves
and new options need to be addressed in greater detail.

As for me, I hope we get an new world of new mid-east leaders, younger, better educated, far less autocratic, focused on their countries economic and political freedoms, and far more interested in building a new self empowered middle east.

And all we know now is that one corrupt and autocratic leader has gotten the ole heave ho and Mubarak is likely next. As the Jordanian King is trying to get ahead of the tide of change by addressing possible reforms and freedoms before they reach critical mass. But in mind the Mullahs of Iran and the Saudi Royal family may now be the most endangered species.

 

[Moonbeam]

My thoughts are that the US with all it's touted principles and concern for human welfare and justice spent the last many decades in support of filth and swine in the Middle East for the sake of perceived national welfare, namely oil, and that the chickens are coming home to roost. There will be a billion or so Muslims living under democracy and they are going to bury Israel and every other American interest in the region as well deserved pay back. Never a good idea to be a hypocrite.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Your next move is learning to fucking spell.

 

[sandorski]

Our OP asks, "What's our next move?"

And a chess player would point out that even if they think quite a few moves ahead, the opposing chess player has to wait for their opponent moves.

So in that sense, we have to wait to see what happens to Tunisia, Egypt, Jordon and rest of the mid-east first.

Because every time one side of the other moves, the chess board changes, certain tactic become no longer viable concerns, and whole new worlds of new future moves
and new options need to be addressed in greater detail.

As for me, I hope we get an new world of new mid-east leaders, younger, better educated, far less autocratic, focused on their countries economic and political freedoms, and far more interested in building a new self empowered middle east.

And all we know now is that one corrupt and autocratic leader has gotten the ole heave ho and Mubarak is likely next. As the Jordanian King is trying to get ahead of the tide of change by addressing possible reforms and freedoms before they reach critical mass. But in mind the Mullahs of Iran and the Saudi Royal family may now be the most endangered species.

Basically this.

I think the West would rather see these uprisings occur in other Nations rather than in the ones where they are happening, but in the long run even these trusted Allies need to change from Dictatorship to a form of Representative Democracy.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Your next move is learning to fucking spell.

 

[nyker96]

Your next move is learning to fucking spell.

easy there, one or two spelling mistake never hurt no one. You know what I'm talking about here. It's the substance of the message that matters. Now that the Egyptian president just announced (2/1/2011) to step down in Sept. We have a domino effect here ... the new government is surely going to be less friendly to the western world, US, in particular. Now Jordan is also shaky, coupled with Syria already falling into Hezbollah control, what's going to happen in Middle East now? A new fundamentalist revolution? A new Middle Eastern Tea Party movement of their own that's changing the geopolitical landscape in such a short period time like the Tea Party did in this country?

 

[Lemon law]

Yes yes yes, throughout world history, the spelling police have been the most enduring part of the world current order.

In times of crisis, Webster dictionaries have always been the go to folks to resolve all world issues.

 

[sandorski]

easy there, one or two spelling mistake never hurt no one.

O'rly?

Bin Laden- Dial 911
Al Queda US contact- Die all 9/11

 

[DivideBYZero]

easy there, one or two spelling mistake never hurt no one. You know what I'm talking about here. It's the substance of the message that matters. Now that the Egyptian president just announced (2/1/2011) to step down in Sept. We have a domino effect here ... the new government is surely going to be less friendly to the western world, US, in particular. Now Jordan is also shaky, coupled with Syria already falling into Hezbollah control, what's going to happen in Middle East now? A new fundamentalist revolution? A new Middle Eastern Tea Party movement of their own that's changing the geopolitical landscape in such a short period time like the Tea Party did in this country?

I feel for you, man. Not only can you not spell, you're also sitting in a darkened room, shaking like a shitting dog, making up nightmare scenarios that worry you even more.

Grow up.

 

[Jadow]

They can do whatever they want in Tunisia, just DO NOT FUCK WITH TUNICA!

Too many good casinos down thereabouts.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

easy there, one or two spelling mistake never hurt no one. You know what I'm talking about here. It's the substance of the message that matters. Now that the Egyptian president just announced (2/1/2011) to step down in Sept. We have a domino effect here ... the new government is surely going to be less friendly to the western world, US, in particular. Now Jordan is also shaky, coupled with Syria already falling into Hezbollah control, what's going to happen in Middle East now? A new fundamentalist revolution? A new Middle Eastern Tea Party movement of their own that's changing the geopolitical landscape in such a short period time like the Tea Party did in this country?

Some already produced their own 'Tea Parties' there. We know those parties as Al Qaida, the Taliban and the Ba'ath party.

 

[gingermeggs]

This is going to turn out good for us. I don't foresee conservative religious groups that are anti-west coming to power in these countries. Freedom and economic prosperity for the average Arab will eventually lessen their hatred of us.

+1

 

[gingermeggs]

Some already produced their own 'Tea Parties' there. We know those parties as Al Qaida, the Taliban and the Ba'ath party.

Yes and the strong arm tactics from the west made them more popular and gave them legitimacy.
Afghanistan- copper, opium and possibility of ME. oil piped to china.
Remember who created bin ladin- your cia funded the man, his family lives in the USA!
He is just a crazy rogue operative, who saw the darkside of the USA, the deals, the lies, the murder!
He still cries "INFIDELS!" in the night, waking up from a cold sweat.

 

[gingermeggs]

My thoughts are that the US with all it's touted principles and concern for human welfare and justice spent the last many decades in support of filth and swine in the Middle East for the sake of perceived national welfare, namely oil, and that the chickens are coming home to roost. There will be a billion or so Muslims living under democracy and they are going to bury Israel and every other American interest in the region as well deserved pay back. Never a good idea to be a hypocrite.

Israel you might be right, but hate the ordinary American(long term), who didn't really have a hand in it.....I can't see that, they are smarter then that. they will see it for what it was a global conspiracy by multi-national corporations. The little guy in all countries have been had, now they are learning to walk away from the con-artists.
You can't keep a good man down!

 

[ayabe]

We should be happy about this should we not? Is it not our role in the world to promote freedom and democracy? Why assume that this means anything negative for Israel? Why assume that every country in the middle east needs an autocrat to keep his boot on the neck of "radical muslims" who are just waiting to step right in Taliban style?

Right-wing nut's guide to Egypt

Quick someone get Boeing on the phone, we need to buy 150 more F-15's for Israel or they're doomed!@!!!!! Then Turkey will invade Greece, arrgghhh!

I get it, we "owe" Mubarak somehow because he tortured people for us. Just makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. I thought this was the ultimate goal of the invasion of Iraq, democracy for the region. We should be supporting free, fair, and monitored elections in Egypt. That's the best way to keep Israel safe - which is all what some people on the right ever talk about.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

And all we know now is that one corrupt and autocratic leader has gotten the ole heave ho and Mubarak is likely next. As the Jordanian King is trying to get ahead of the tide of change by addressing possible reforms and freedoms before they reach critical mass. But in mind the Mullahs of Iran and the Saudi Royal family may now be the most endangered species.

I wonder if successful coups in Tunisia and Egypt will encourage the Iranians to try and rise up again, assuming that their government is allowing them to access reports about what's going on. Iranian youth must be looking at Egypt and Tunisia and wondering, "If they can do it, why not us?"

 

[Kirby]

They can do whatever they want in Tunisia, just DO NOT FUCK WITH TUNICA!

Too many good casinos down thereabouts.

+1 :biggrin:

I won ~$1000 playing craps last I was there.

 

[Udgnim]

US throws money at the new regimes and hope they become pro-US